Use of Marie as a first name in Quebec?

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I understand that in Quebec the name Marie was commonly used alongside another first name. I believe that the proper form is to use Marie and the other given name as the 'First Name'. I am setting up a profile for someone who shows up as M. Apoline on the baptism record and as Apoline on her marriage record. I presume that the "M." stands for Marie. Should I set up her profile with a first name as "Marie Apoline", "M. Apoline" (marked uncertain) or just Apoline? I haven't seen any documents that actually spell out the name "Marie".
in The Tree House by Nancy Harris G2G6 Mach 1 (12.6k points)
hi Nancy, are you looking at the actual church record or a transcript?  And in what time period is this?  Liza and Marie Pierre are both correct about the use of Marie with other names, but the practice to have them generalized with all children getting either Marie (girls) or joseph (boys) is limited in time.
I was looking at the actual document. But now I am wondering if it is an "M". So I'll just go with her commonly used first name.

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What Liza Gervais says is true.

I would like to add that M. may not stand for Marie. You are assuming something. In the old baptismal records written in French, Marie is often missing. In modern baptismal certificates, it's supposed to be always in there, unless a hyphenated first name includes it.

As Liza explains, M. could stand for Marie, but it could also be another first name altogether, although Marie is the most likely. I would put M. in the additional field for given names. If you or somebody else ever finds out what the full name is, this is when you can add it in the preferred first name field. Obviously, she must have gone by Apoline most of the time, but the odd record shows that she had at least one additional given name that was used and known by her contemporaries. It starts with M., and that's all you know until you find more records, like her baptismal certificate, the baptismal record in the church book, or something else.
by Marie-Pierre Lessard G2G4 (4.2k points)
selected by Danielle Liard
Thank you. I think I'll just leave the "M" out, because I have no idea what it stands for, of if it is even an "M". That had been my presumption, but now I am questionning myself. Thank you for your input.
yes, as mentioned at baptism you usually get three first names. Mary for girls or Joseph for boys is related to the Catholic religious practice (which was very prominent by the controlling Clergy, especially after the 1838 Rebellion and before the 1960s Quiet Revolution. as which Religious stronghold on the population was kicked out) your own main first name and the third is usually from your godfather or godmother. Other family-used first name may be added.... as an example my dad,s name is Joseph Armand CLAUDE (Armand was his godfather, Claude is his usually first name). His father was Joseph-Marie-Armand-ALBERT.  I also write the usual first name in capital letter to differentiate from the others. So every boys were always Joseph and often Maxime or Pierre on my father's side.
I would not leave the M out since it’s actually on the record.
The given name of the godparent comes before the given name that is going to be commonly used on a Catholic baptismal certificate, so it's not the same as an English middle name. But in Canada, the forms are written a certain way for an anglophone population, so the name of the godparent goes in the middle-name field.

It's not a good idea to write the preferred given name in capital letters. Capitalization normally highlights the surname. Wikitree has a field for the preferred given name, and it's not supposed to be filled with all caps.

It would be best to write the entire list of first names in the original order, for instance as shown by a baptismal record, in the Proper First Name field. Then put the main given name (the one used in most records, which should be the last) in the Preferred First Name field. Nicknames go in their own field on Wikitree.

I believe that any part of the name of the baptism record which no longer appears in the marriage and burial record should not appear at all in the name of the ancestor. Nothing should be written uppercase in the first name.

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Traditionally in Quebec all baby girls were baptized Marie… and all boys Joseph… in honour of the holy family. French Canadians do not have middle names so even if there are 3 names they all go in the first name field. In your case Marie Apoline would be the given first name then Apoline the name used.
by Liza Gervais G2G6 Pilot (396k points)
Joseph or Jean.

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