Looking for more information on Catherine Hope (1767- ), Scottish-Canadian immigrant

Question

I am currently researching one of my 5th great-grandmothers, Catherine Hope (married name, her maiden name is unknown). She was an immigrant to New Brunswick, Canada (then a British colony) from Scotland. I am primarily searching for immigration records for her and her immediate family in the hop3 that I can link them back to Scotland.

The two main facts pertaining to her immigration are:

• Catherine was born in 1767 as listed on the 1851 Census and in an immigration index record I have for her.

• She is recorded on the 1851 Census as having entered the colony in May 1823 (her son, Thomas, is recorded with his same information), although the immigration index record we have for her lists her arrival as 1826. The same immigration index indicates she arrived somewhere in Quebec.

The immigration index is derived from the book "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before Confederation, Vol. 1" compiled by Donald Whyte. I haven't been able to get my hands on a copy of the book yet, but it could provide valuable information on her origins.

If anyone can offer any assistance or guidance with my search that would be fantastic. Particularly, if anyone has a copy or access to the book mentioned above, please let me know!

Answer 1

Dave, all your sources are from Ancestry, behind their paywall.  Could you create a sharing image for them so we could see the details?

You can find out how here:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Links_to_Ancestry

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I'm sorry, I tried following the guide you posted and cannot seem to understand how to create a sharing image. Is there an alternative way I can share the sources here?

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Hi Dave. Ancestry sharing images are indeed tricky to produce, and beyond that these days they don't work very well, because Ancestry has made them appear at quite low resolution, so often they are illegible unless further complicated technical steps are taken.

As an alternative, consider the following advice from the Help page on paywalled sources:

Links to sources on paid subscription sites such as Ancestry, FindMyPast, and MyHeritage can be frustrating for WikiTree members and visitors without access to these sites. We recommend searching for a freely available copy of the source document on sites such as FamilySearch, Google Books, USGenWeb, Archive.org, or HathiTrust.

If the source record is only available to paid subscribers, when providing the URL please also extract as much information as possible, such as relevant names, dates, and the source of the original data.

Using this approach, you would either find a non-paywalled alternative, or else present all the information that is in the Ancestry record as a written part of the citation. (Because the information is fact, it cannot be copyrighted, but it's a good idea to put it in your own words rather than copying Ancestry's format too closely.) That way people without an Ancestry subscription will be able to see exactly what the source says.

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The first record is the 1851 census, here it is at LAC:

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=23089462&lang=eng

The second record is the U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s (no image). Here is the detail:

Name: Catherine Hope

Arrival Year: 1826

Arrival Place: Quebec, Canada

Primary Immigrant: Hope, Catherine

Source Publication Code: 9758

Annotation: Date and port of arrival. Name of ship, place of origin, place of destination, date of birth and death, parentage, occupation, and other historical and family data may also be provided.

Source Bibliography: WHYTE, DONALD. A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before Confederation. Toronto: Ontario Genealogical Society. Volume 1, 1986. 443p.

Answer 2

I didn't find Catherine's info but there is a lot of publicly available info on some of her grandchildren at the New Brunswick Provincial Archives  (archives.gnb.ca). The census records are all available for free at the Library and Archives Canada (library-archives.canada.ca/). Whyte's book is available to borrow online at https://openlibrary.org/books/OL2317043M/A_dictionary_of_Scottish_emigrants_to_Canada_before_confederation

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The 1826 entry to the colony is for entry to New Brunswick which was a different colony than Québec (Lower Canada). There could have been confusion with the question but that could be another datapoint to consider. With the sources you have, where did you come up with immigration from Scotland? The New Brunswick census doesn't give country of origin, just ethnicity. Also, if she came directly from Scotland to New Brunswick, there are no extant ship records for that time period.

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I managed to get a local library to check the listing for Catherine Hope in Whyte's book (the copy online you shared was for Vol. 3) and it appears the Catherine Hope listed is a different person who was married to a John Guispie. So a dead-end there.

The immigration from Scotland is a hypothesis based on her son's reported birth place on later censuses (Scotland), their report in the 1851 census of entering the colony during the same month and her reported origin on the same census.

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I missed the Vol 3. 

If the Thomas age 50 in the 1871 census (making him born 10 years later than the 1851/1861 censuses would have him be born) then Scotland would be his birth place. That would fit with what Whyte has. It could be that he wanted to be presumed younger. 

A check in ScotlandsPeople only finds one Thomas Hope with mother Catherine. Born 1800 would likely rule him out since that would add another 10-11 years to his age. Those born in the 1810-1812:

Church of Scotland

HOPE	THOMAS	JAMES HOPE/ELIZABETH MUIR	M	29/10/1811	399	30 / 169	ABBOTSHALL
HOPE	THOMAS	JOHN BARONET/HOPE ANNE WEDDERBURN FR3264 (FR3264)	M	10/07/1810	689	100 / 103	INVERESK AND MUSSELBURGH
HOPE	THOMAS	JOHN HOPE/ELIZABETH PENMAN FR190 (FR190)	M	04/10/1812	823	Oct-49	DURISDEER
HOPE	THOMAS	JOHN HOPE/MARION BROWN FR057 (FR57)	M	24/02/1810	761	Oct-52	GLENHOLM
HOPE	THOMAS	GEORGE HOPE/ANN ANDERSON FR65 (FR65)	M	09/04/1811	819	Oct-60	DORNOCK
HOPE	THOMAS	JOHN BARONET/HOPE ANNE WEDDERBURN FR3393 (FR3393)	M	07/08/1810	689	100 / 333	INVERESK AND MUSSELBURGH
Other Church				Birth	Baptism
HOPE	THOMAS	THOMAS HOPE/ELIZABETH GRIVE		16/MARCH/1811	31/MARCH/1811		EDINBURGH - ST JAMES PLACE RELIEF

No really good candidate. The dates got removed but are easy to search for.

In the 1851 census, the two children may or may not have been Thomas's. All that is known is they are Catherine's grandchildren. Thomas is marked as Single.

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Have you looked at wills for Catherine and Thomas? Land records

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Great research! I agree, no good candidate pops out there. I don't think there is much point researching on the Scottish end until more concrete facts are known about Catherine's husband. A general idea of where they came from would be also be helpful.

In terms of land records, I can't find anything for Catherine, but I did locate a land grant index record that lists a Thomas Hope being granted 100 acres in Salisbury in 1885.

https://archives.gnb.ca/Search/RS686/Details.aspx?culture=en-CA&Key=35134

This is the same place he is listed as living in multiple census records, but would have occurred quite late in his life. More likely to be his son, Thomas Albert, but can't rule it out completely. Would have to view the whole document to know more.

Not looked at wills yet. Are there any good places to start my search?

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FamilySearch has images of the land grants, deeds and wills. They appear to be locked so a trip to a FamilySearch Center or affiliate library would give you access.  One thing about wills is that they might be in the probate files or they may be in with the deeds. To find them, you need to use the FamilySearch Catalog rather than the Records search.

These images are not in a searchable index but many have an index at the front of the digital film.

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Poking some more, there were multiple Hope families in Salisbury Parish in Westmorland. These are likely to be relatives (cousins, siblings, etc.) so you might want to widen your search. There are also Hopes in other parts of Westmorland but those in the vicinity are good candidates for the FAN (Friends, Associates, Neighbors) club.

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Brief update on some new information I've uncovered. I located the two other Hope families living in Salisbury parish and have started researching them. The other 1851 census records for the heads of household (John Hope and William Hope) are both listed as having entered the colony in the 1820s, which would fit with the information we have about Thomas and Catherine.

Further research into John yielded a birth place (from his son's death certificate) - Glasgow, Scotland. IF John was related to Thomas & Catherine, then there may be a connection there. I'm not familiar with the records in Scotland though. Do you know of any records/record sets in Scotland between the 1790s-1820s that might be worth digging around in?

Haven't got to researching William's family yet, so there may be more to uncover.

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ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk is the primary place for records. Usually the index gives you enough information to know group families. Then it is a pay as you go system to get images of the original records if you need them. There are two potential Glasgow births for John:

HOPE

JOHN

THOMAS HOPE/MARY MARTIN FR1778 (FR1778)

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12/08/1797

644 / 1

190 / 347

GLASGOW

HOPE

JOHN

WILLIAM HOPE/JEAN LOCHHEAD FR1613 (FR1613)

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20/04/1792

644 / 1

190 / 24

GLASGOW

 ScotlandsPeople let you search by parents names. Most of the time the mother is listed by her birthname on records.