2 findagrave entries same person two countries.

Question

Before I create the profile for John Grieve the son of James  Grieve-1395 and Ann Smart Smart-6497

I found two valid FindAGrave entries, one a memorial at Liberton Cemetery in Scotland and the other his actual burial at Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

* ''Memorial'': Find a Grave (has image), {{FindAGrave|244788261}} (accessed 11 June 2023), Memorial page for John Grieve (1830-6 Jul 1874), citing Liberton Churchyard and Cemetery, Liberton, City of Edinburgh, Scotland; Maintained by Charlie (contributor 49084594).

* ''Memorial'': Find a Grave (has image), {{FindAGrave|198952718}} (accessed 11 June 2023), Memorial page for John Grieve (1830-7 Jul 1874), citing Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton North, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia (plot: MGC-PRE-Comp-I-No-756); Maintained by Tony M. (contributor 48299134).

Any words of wisdom how to handle this? Other  than adding a note in the Research Notes.

However I am fairly sure I will get a suggestion/problem related to the FindAGrave entries.

(I already have 21 FindAGrave suggestions that are pending.)

Answer 1

Hi NG. You can avoid any suggestions. Mark the one which is just a memorial (or cenotaph) as sameas=no, like this:

{{FindAGrave|244788261|sameas=no}}

See

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Find_A_Grave#Find_A_Grave_Hints_from_WikiTree.2B

which says sameas=no "can also be used in case of multiple memorials for the same person on FindaGrave (CENOTAPH, MEMORIAL SITE, need merge on FG, ...)"

Comments

Thank you for this

Ok done that.

Grieve-1401

I assume just under Biography heading.

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No, I wouldn't put it there. Instead, insert |sameas=no in the 244788261 Find a Grave template in the Research Notes (here | is the pipe character). In addition, remove the two duplicate Find a Grave references under "See also", because they too might trigger DBE suggestions.

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I use sameas=yes, indicating that the two memorials represent the same person. sameas=no is for memorials that don't represent the same person, like relatives.

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I don't think you can have two sameas=yes memorials on the same profile without making it difficult for Aleš's checking code. It was he who wrote the Help page section I cited, instructing that cenotaphs, or multiple memorials (apart from the principal one), should be marked sameas=no.

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The page says "Sameas=no should only be used if the Find A Grave memorial represents a different person[...]" therefore if they represent the same person, it's okay.

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But note "can also be used" later in the paragraph. See Aleš's comment at this link:

Since that was written I came across cases, where a person has multiple FG memorials. They maybe waiting to be merged or are cenotaphs or MemorialSite. (marked or not).

And in such cases we have to use =no ...

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It took me a long time to figure out.  

Sameas=no is also used when there are unnamed people buried in the same grave or listed on the same headstone as other people.

I have several instances of more than 1 unnamed infants listed on a headstone and assumed to be buried in a grave.

The headstone often says something like this:

Bill Brown birth date, death date, his wife Jean birth date, death date and their 4 children who died.

Answer 2

This is actually a very useful pair of Find-a-Grave entries. One is a memorial, and the other is his grave. The memorial in Scotland links the family there to the person in Australia. They should both be cited on the profile, with a transcription of the stone which explains the situation.

Any suggestion you get about two entries for one person, I would think you could mark them as false.