How does the age of the parent affect inherited and shared DNA?

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I'm helping a cousin to determine if they are truly connected to our family. and have found DNA connections, but they don't seem to follow the expected patterns. Much of it likely has to do with size of her family and the lower chances of finding relatives that have takien tests. There are also a couple half-siblings factored into the equation. However ...

... her situation is also unique in that the first two ancestors in her lineage married and had children at an old age. Johann (our shared ancestor) remarried after having nine children with his first wife. He and his second wife had a son when he was about 53 years old. That son, Samuel, also had several children with his first wife and then remarried at a later age and "had" at least three children. Samuel, however, was 87, 90 and 92 at the time of the birth of his three daughters by the second marriage.

My first thought was that she had the wrong individual, but then we found a document where he agreed to give this 18-year old woman 150 acres if she would marry him and care for him in his old age. All three children carried his name, but the older two died young. The youngest daughter survived, claimed him as her father, and now I'm actually finding a few instances of shared DNA with other family members, but not as many samples as I would expect from my relative's half-4th cousins, only one match so far. It's possible that the matches are related in a different way, but there does seem to be some evidence connecting her to multiple branches of our family. Just not as much as I normally would have expected. I know there is a possibility that all of these matches are coincidental, but the more we uncover the more it seemst that Samuel really had a daughter at the age of 92.

My question is regarding how much the age of the father affects fragmentation of DNA, especially in this instance where we have almost 150 years from the first generation to the third. Would we see greatly diminished returns on shared DNA between cousins because of more frequent variations in the granddaughter's DNA? If Samuel and his daughter had taken DNA tests (in 1866 - yes, hypothetically) would her shared DNA with her half-first cousins be much less than normal?

in Genealogy Help by Jeffrey Niles G2G Crew (370 points)

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Fathering a child at the age of 92 is getting into world record territory so one has to consider if he was really the biological father.

I do not see how the age of the father could have any bearing on the number of DNA matches. As far as I know a child always gets 50% of its DNA from the father and 50% from the mother.

by Rob Pavey G2G6 Pilot (217k points)
Thanks for answering Rob.

First, yes, that was my first question as well. 18-year old woman ... 85 year old man. "I'll cook and clean for you, but in the evening ... I'm going clubbing." Yet as I've gone through my distant relatives DNA matches on Ancestry, we've now found 12 matches that share a common ancestor from our family. It's not overwhelming evidence, but the number is growing in spite of half-sibling limitations  ... all making me question my initial skepticism.

Second, to be more specific. My question doesn't really pertain to how much DNA the daughter inherited from the parent. She received 50/50 as is normal. But over time, mutations become abundant. With Y-DNA, 10 years for the father makes a significant difference regarding the average amount of mutations/variations that slip through.

And it's less to do with the DNA of a person changing as a whole, but a man's system filters out mutated sperm cells; as he gets older, that filtration system stops working as well.

So as an example, let's say half-first cousins shares about 600 cM of DNA with one another. But if we introduce age into the mix and lots of it, will the increase in variations of the daughter's DNA drive that shared cM count down? If two cousins normally share 12cM of DNA, but the age of one father causes that shared segment to fragment with a variant stuck right in the middle then we now have two segments inherited by one person and neither segment meets the 7cM threshold for most ancestry cites that report shared relatives.

My question is whether age does have this kind of affect.
AFAIK it should not have enough of an effect to make one, say, 3% related to the biological father.

If the daughter has matches in the family, then the logical conclusion would be that her father was some other relative -- a nephew or a cousin of the "legal" father.

Jeffrey, yDNA is a bit of a different animal here because the whole of the chromosome is passed along to male children, and the overwhelming majority of the Y chromosome is free to mutate without detrimental repercussions. Even then, the mutation rate is fairly low for SNPs/SNVs and the aggressive variance is usually seen in copy counts among the fastest-moving STRs.

Although older males can have a greater tendency to have offspring with genetic anomalies, often structural in nature (as opposed to Mendelian dominant/recessive genes), what definitely impacts children of aging males isn't so much about variants being included in the gamete as it is about where crossing over during meiosis is most likely to occur.

There are well over 50,000 identified "hotspots" for double-strand breaks during meiosis (many of which, BTW, not accounted for in our decade-old GRCh37 reference genome and, many believe, not adequately measured in GRCh38, either). These are specific chromosomal locations where recombination is most likely to occur. We have a better handle on where crossovers are not likely to occur (e.g., at the centromere and in pericentromeric areas, heterochromatic regions).

However, unlike females where the ova undergo crossing over and the first stage of meiosis while the woman herself is still a fetus, males are a produce-on-demand operation. A process called deamination occurs as a result of DNA methylation over time. This, among some other things, has the result of shifting many of the crossover hotspots.

The end result is that a child still gets 50% of the father's DNA, but our calculation models for centiMorgans doesn't take into account these shifting hotspots. Since a centiMorgan is nothing more than a probabilistic model of where crossing over is most likely to occur when a gamete is produced (which is why the male and female genomes differ by about 70% when it comes to cMs), with males having children as the fathers approach senior citizenry, our predictions about shared segments breaks down.

Males will undergo crossing over somewhere around 26 times per meiosis compared to a woman's approximate 45 times. So if our parameters of where we expect the crossovers to most likely occur gets a wrench thrown into the works, the resultant calculations of centiMorgans as computed for future generations can be off. If we could test Samuel, his daughter, and her half 1st cousins, the cM calculations might look a bit wonky, but the percentages should remain consistent with what's expected.

That said, with genealogy we always sex-average the results (which kind of makes centiMorgan comparisons with distant cousins a bit of an exercise in futility), but just like time does in fact average out the centiMorgan calculation and dilutes the impact of limited pedigree collapse, it also dilutes effects of deamination in male gametes. My guess is that from testing Samuel's living descendants today we'd have no good way to be able to tell the difference in the DNA passed along to his children, whether he fathered them as a young or old man. Mind you, though, I have zero research papers I can cite about that opinion, so it's worth every penny you paid for it.
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Thank you Edison. That does help greatly.
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What I gather there age makes no great difference as far as Genealogy is concerned.

Though, I have watched a fascinating documentory about how people who almost starved in WWII passed on genetic problems to their descendants as a direct result. I digress.

Basics I never knew about DNA. I have watched many vidios, such as a few by Diahan Southard mainly at https://familytreewebinars.com.

I thought that my sister and my DNA would be the same - WRONG! (May be if we were Identical twins).

From what I understand:  We get roughly a random 50% from each parent,  25% from each Grandparent, 12.4% from each Great Grand parent - divide by 2 each generation.   As someone recently stated at Roots Tech, the further you go back the LESS LIKELY you inherit DNA.

Age the only reason I can see where age can be a factor is determining the generation of connection.

So a first cousin would normally be about the same generation as you, and uncles and aunt's older, nieces and nephews a younger generation.   NOT ALWAYS THE CASE, but a generality.

Someone fathering a child in thier 90's does not easily fit.

by NG Hill G2G6 Mach 8 (87.5k points)
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The age of the DNA donor has no impact on the DNA of the recipient. A person’s DNA does not change over time.
by Ron Rowland G2G6 Mach 2 (24.5k points)
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Hello, great question.  My take from a very general viewpoint is that on your side of the Family Tree where you have more generations you have a greater number of ancestors dna that you inherited then a similarly aged cousin that had had less generational recombination of their dna because their parents were older and have less generations between them and the mcra.

On the side with more generations you may match a larger number of Cousins from various families, because you have many more grandparents back to the 1850s then a cousin who was born of older parents.  But I think the cousin with less generations may have like "older" dna that had not been split in half as many times and should match to a larger group of Cousins from the mcra under research.

Hope this makes sense, sometimes we need to balance the science with like general explanations.

I have a similar case in my own family, my maternal grandmothers Family seems to have many more generations then my other branches when compared on a recent timeline, but some Cousins had kids when they were older so I have quite a few Cousins I find who are my own age or my moms age but are "twice removed" and actually cousins with my grandmother or her parents who passed away in the 1970s.

Erik
by Erik Granstrom G2G6 Mach 4 (49.0k points)

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