Ancestry Lookup - Wind Durham brickwall

Question

Hi Folks, I am trying to track down William Wind of Cow Close, Lamesley, County Durham. William of Cow Close  came to light recently only after crosschecking births of children and locations and other family connections.  DO Not be confused with William Wind of Lumley born 1731, practically ALL family trees CONFLATE these two Williams and they are all unfortunately wrong.
Here is what I know of William of CC.
William Wind, Born about 1730(ESTIMATED ONLY) of Lamesley, Durham, England, United Kingdom. 
[father?], [mother?], [spouse?]  He died about 19 Jan 1770 at about age 40 in Lamesley, Durham, England.
These are the five children attributed to William Wind of Lamesley, he is the father of children Margaret Wind, Thomas Wind, William Wind, John Wind and Henry (Wind) Wynd. These children are all born to a father William Wind in Cow Close, Lamesley.

Baptisms Chester-le-Street 1755 Margaret Wind Cow Close, father William
Baptisms Chester-le-Street 1758 Thomas Wind Cow Close, father William
Baptisms Chester-le-Street 1761 William Wind Cow Close, father William
Baptisms Chester-le-Street 1767 John Wind Cow Close, father William
Baptisms Chester-le-Street 1770 Henry Wind Cow Close, father William

On Genuki, a search for Cow Close places it over near Easington where there was a coalmine. Infact there are several Cow Closes in Durham, but only one near Lamesley.

However, CowClose in Lamesley is quite close to what was Ravensworth Hall, near the Nature Reserve. There was a mill and some cottages it appears.

The problem is, William just seems to drop in out of nowhere. There are other William Winds. but they do not appear to fit the dates and locations. I do not seem to make a connection to his birth or marriage and wife of 5 kids. The only possible I suspect is a marriage in 1750 to Ann Hopper. But at tis stage, I cannot make a connection. What I am trying to find is any onward trace of William, otherwise I just have to accept that this is a dead end, sadly as he is on my direct lineage.

I cannot access Ancestry, and I wonder if there is anyone kind enough to cross-check if there is a record or family tree (heaven forbid), that may give a hint of him. While I do not trust the William Wind trees as practicaly 100% of them conflate William of Lamesley and William of Lumley, someone "may" have hints of him.

William Wind, Lumley and William Wind, Lamesley are quite separate families. Although most trees place him with a wife of Mary (Hind) Wind and parents William Wind & Mary Wind (born Coxon).... these are INCORRECT. That William is of Greater Lumley.

Im looking for any hint of this William of (Lamesley) possibly born elsewhere. Thanks for any hints should you find anything on Ancestry that can pin down a birth and/or parents of William Wind of Lamesley, Durham.

Best regards and thanks again.

Comments

Hi. I have been working with the Robert Wind and locating his family, so far so good. But I have also found a William Wind Burial  1819 aged 93, Lamesley (Eighton Banks). That makes a birth of about 1726, given that that may be a guess. So far this William D1819 does not match the other Williams I have located in the area. I need to check all deaths of the Lamesley, Lumley, Chesterlestreet guys and sift them to isolate who is who. Messy but as I see it, no choice.

If anyone has a clue or record of a William Wind in an early Census, that would be wonderful, ATM, I dont see him.

Regards all.

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How do you exclude "your" Willliam W-357 from the William d. 1819?  The birth dates are close enough.

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Actually I do not exclude him, he is a "suspect". But I need to have confidence that he is "my" William of Lamesley. To do that I have built an Excel sheet with evey William Wind In Durham (that I can find) and in the timeframe and am crosschecking all deaths, baptisms, marriages to see if there is a pattern or exception.
In the meantime, Im hunting leads anywhere.... its a slow process. I have turned up a couple more Williams, but I I have not finished trying to match the list . its an exercise in frustration. If anyone had an inspiration it would be wonderful.

Regards all

Answer 1

That sounds tricky. On Google maps it looks like Lamesly is about 5 miles north of Chester-le-Street and Lumley is about 1 mile south of Chester-le-Street.

FindMyPast has good records of County Durham with images. They have the image of your William's burial.

They do not seem to have images of baptisms or marriages before 1760 in this location though. Neither does Ancestry.

There were a couple of Wind baptisms in Lamesley in that time period:

Dorothy (7 Aug 1726) and James (8 Dec 1728). Both children of Robert Wind of Tinker Row.

Comments

Hi Rob. Thanks for taking the time to check for me.
I have seen Robert Wind and will take a closer look, he is on a "long" list of more Winds to add to Wikitree.

There are more Winds I have to create profiles for in the approximate timeframe and they may show up something.

As part of the Winn-Wind etal Single Name Project I have been focusing on getting as many Durham WindWinds as possible. Its very much a work in progress. I am hoping that as I identify and add families, a pattern will emmerge.

The finding of William of Lamesly was bitter sweet as he is on my lineage and when that Wind line was de-conflated it broke a long assumed lineage. I don't think many have yet understood or realized. I am sure the two are related, but I just do not see it yet. I am open to all suggestions to join the two Williams. I have subscription to FMP and DRO which are helping greatly but cannot afford the Ancestry ones.
Thanks again for your efforts.

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Apart from the Durham Records Online, have you tried searching on FreeReg, they seem to have transcripts of Lamesley PR's and BT's

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Hi, yes I do use Freereg, but there are gaps. Super useful though. ATM I use resources FMP, DRO, Freereg, MyHeritage (less tho) and Familysearch (records & Images). Later records I use Gro.gov and Freebdm etc. But my focus now is the Winds of 1700s, mainly to try and identify who fits where.

Answer 2

Greg - what is the name of the parish where you are finding records? The ones I've seen have been from St Andrew, but there is also St. Mary and St. Cuthbert at Chester-le-Street, which is insufficiently specific.

Can DRO not provide the parish registers?

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false trail

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Thanks for the thought. I scan records on DRO using whatever filter seems best when searching. I tried opening the "parish records" option and it only hit the 1900s. But interesting, I should remember that.

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From what I can see, records that say "Chester le Street" typically refer to the church of Mary and Cuthbert and belong to the other family from Lumley.

The church of the family you want is more usually named "Lamesley" and was of St Andrews.  Which means that what you really need is the St Andrews parish register

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Lamesley St Andrew:

Baptisms 1765-1797 are from both the parish register and the Bishop's Transcript for maximum detail. From 1813 to mid-1818, there are 2 overlapping baptism registers: one is very detailed, like a 1798-1812 register, and the other is more terse, like a typical post-1812 register. To prevent duplication, our transcript for this period is primarily from the detailed register, plus additions and differences from the terse register. Baptisms from mid-1818 through 1851 are mostly from the Bishop's Transcript, except 1825 and 1840. There are no marriages recorded between 1642 and 1689 except for one each in 1643, 1644, 1653, 1669, 1676, and 1680. There are no burials in the register for 23 Oct 1644 to 23 Oct 1653, only two between 25 May 1657 and 26 Sep 1678 (one each in 1668 and 1673),and none for July 1684 - March 1693 and Sep 1752 - Jun 1753. Burials 1802-1851 are from the Bishop's Transcript except 1825 and 1840.

This is Highly Unpromising. Worse, the site declares it doesn't provide register images.

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Hi Lois, yes I had noticed this. The records for the Cow Close William are indeed St Andrews. But as you point out, the records really thin out in the timeframe I need. I am partly relying on the fact that I am working on as many "Winds" as possible. There may be connections that come up to fill in gaps - maybe. Hardly reliable as a "proof", but not many other options. Im still VERY green at this stuff. I also hope to map the families movement and it may show something - oneday.