Is the Roger Walters with a 1669 will the same as the Roger Walter aboard the Ark and Dove in 1634?

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The profile for Roger Walters - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Walters-930 - would appear to say that he is, with the 1669 will and arrival information as 1634, Maryland. The Ark and Dove, sailed 1634, arrived in Maryland, and a Roger Walter is on the compiled passenger list. The only source listed that I could access is the book with a transcription of his will and other records collected for him. Records in the book include that for a tract of land "first granted to Roger Walters", which Roger sold in 1659.

I'm not seeing anything that convinces me these two facts (arrived 1634 and the 1669 will) belong to the same person.

Do the Ancestry links shed any light? (I hit a pay wall.)

Thanks!

P.S. I'm asking because I had a private message asking about him, from the space page for the Ark and Dove, sailed 1634. I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to add Walters-930 to the category.

WikiTree profile: Roger Walters
in Genealogy Help by Liz Shifflett G2G6 Pilot (636k points)

I think you need to track down any land he patented in Maryland to see if he stayed there or if he is  one of the many Ark&Dove passengers who later crossed the Bay to settle in Virginia.  The Ark&Dover Roger Walter was claimed as a headright by a man named Thomas Cornwallis in 1641 (Maryland Historical Magazine, 1910, Vol. 5 #3, p. 261). The Ark and Dove Society passenger list has no information on descendants for Roger, but does refer to the following land records: MSA Land Patents Liber ABH1, folio 26, Liber ABH, Folio 60  Quite a few of the folks who arrived on the Ark or the Dove did move across the Bay to Northumberland County, Virginia.   A man named Roger Walter received a great deal of land there beginning in 1653: 1653-1656 Cavaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book No. 3; [Nell Marion Nugent]; Page 227

ROGER WALTER, 600 acs. Northumberland Co., 31 Dec. 1653, p. 1. On the N. side of great Wiccocomico Riv., at the head of Thomas Saffron land, bounding Wly. upon a swamp near the head of a creek which runneth into sd. river, above a point commonly called Perrots Point, over the head of another Cr. between the lands of Wm. Thomas & sd. Saffron &c. Trans. of 12 pers: Nath. Shepherd, Robt. Tracy, Jon. Parris, Jon. Foulsham, Robt. Paine, Jon. Clerke, Richd. Bradford, Fra. Gagen, Jon. Alexander, Edmd. Cuspe, Wm. Usklye, Jon. Sheeles.

Kathie - Thank you so much! That's very helpful. I hope that the person who PM'd me sees it (and joins WikiTree & makes use of it to improve Roger's profile :D)... if not, I've added Roger to my (way-too-long) To-Do list.

Cheers, Liz

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FYI, I have a copy of the book by the Society of the Ark and the Dove and edited by George Ely Russell and Donna Valley Russel, "The Ark and the Dove Adventurers." published by Genealogical Publishing House, Baltimore, in 2005.  Roger Walter appears on page 240, in the section on Other Early Arrivivals.  The section is described as passengers who have no known descendants.  Here is the entry:  "Roger Walter was transported to Maryland by Captain Thomas Cornwalys, who in 1641 claimed land for bringing him in 1633.  Walter did not attend the Assembly in 1637/8, and there are no other references to him".  The source claimed for this entry was Newman's book Flowering, page 263.

The reference above is actually to Harry Wright Newman's book, "The Flowering of the Maryland Palatinate" which I also have, published by the author, 1959, page 269, which reads, "In 1641 CaptainThomas Cornwalys demanded land rights for bringing in his servant Roger Walter in 1633.  He did not attend the General Assembly called for all freeman in 1637/8, or are there any further references to him."
by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (463k points)
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Thanks Jack! Should we take that to mean no known children? If so, the profile is conflating him & the Roger who left a will in 1669 naming children. The Jamestowne Society lists a couple of Walters. Perhaps the Roger with the 1669 descends from one of them & the Roger with no further record in Maryland was a collateral relative.
I edited the entry above to add publishing dates, plus Newman's work.  So what we know is that Newman didn't know of anything further in 1959, and that the Ark and Dove Society, which based their statement on Newman, didn't know anything further in 2005.  That doesn't make the Virginia connection impossible, but it does mean that major writers didn't find such a connection worth mentioning!

The 2005 reference omits an important detail from the 1959 reference -- that the 1637 Assembly was called for all "freemen".  Walter was not present.  Why?  Possibly because he was dead.  More likely, because he was not free;  he was a "servant" of Cornwalys, which was not just an employment relationship, but a form of temporary bondage; he owed his labor, probably for seven years, in exchange for the cost of his transportation on the 1633 ships.  

In 1641 Cornwalys demanded land in exchange for bringhing Walter over -- at that point Walter's servitude as a servant was accomplished.  But there is no parallel demand for land by Walter himself.  This could mean that he was dead by this time.  Or it could mean, as others have claimed, that he had gone to Virginia.

Original land records could shed more light, but unless the Maryland State Archives has digitized them, it could require in-person study in Annapolis.  The index by Gust Skordas, who was Maryland archivist, in The Early Settlers of Maryland (1968), notes on page 109 that Thomas Cornwalys, Esq, came to Maryland in 1634 with 12 servants and received land recorded at Liber ABH,folio 244.  Skordas also notes on 482 that Roger Walter was transported, and that in 1635 he received a land grant recorded at Liber ABH, folio 60.  It is not clear to me why someone who was "transported" -- had his way paid by someone else in exchange for servitude -- would be receiving land within two years.  Skordas shows 11 people surnamed Walter receiving land grants between 1634 and 1680, so one really can't assume that there is only one Roger Walter involved.   

What all this suggests to me is that WikiTree, which does not want two profiles for the same person, can fully justify having two separate profiles for the Maryland and Virginia Walters;  there is no evidence that they are one and the same person.  On the other hand, given the same name, the absence of conflicts regarding dates, and the evidence that apparently others from the Ark and Dove migrated to Virginia, there should be a link in the narrative between the two Walters in a Research Notes section!.
A look at the profile reveals another issue, which is the age of Roger Walter.  The Virginia Roger of the 1669 will was said to be age 49 at his death, hence born 1620.  The Maryland Roger was transported in 1633/4 as one of Thomas Cornwalys' 12 servants.  Would Cornwalys have wanted to bring over a 14 year old? Or, for the same transportation cost, would he have wanted someone a bit older?  What a man now dead for 400 years would have wished is of course speculative, but it does raise the question.  .
Thanks for all the extra analysis. I missed the age 49 at death somehow.
"Skordas also notes on 482 that Roger Walter was transported, and that in 1635 he received a land grant recorded at Liber ABH, folio 60."

This is a reference to Cornwallis claim for Thomas' headright, not a land claim for Thomas himself.
Excellent.  That makes total sense.

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