Where does the Hay come from?

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Any idea where the Hay comes from? Henry Victor was born Henry Victor Sandell, emigrated to Australia in 1924, about 10 years later married Agnes Maria Maud Irwin and between those dates seemingly changed his surname to Sandell-Hay.

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I'm confident Henry Victor emigrated to Australia and married Agnes Maria Maud Hay. I think they hyphenated their names to Sandell-Hay, but apart from their gravestones, I'm having trouble finding any other Australian records for them. Update… made contact with Colin Sandell-Hay who is the grandson of Henry and Agnes. Agnes’ maiden name was Irwin, no one knows where the “Hay” comes from in Sandell-Hay. Records of Henry Victor Sandell seem to be non-existent between his emigration in 1924 and his marriage to Agnes in 1933.

Colin suspects that Henry was one of the “Barwell Boys” “The Barwell Boys were British lads who came to South Australia in the 1920s to be apprenticed on farms throughout the state. More than 1440 boys, most in their mid to late teens, migrated to South Australia under a scheme instigated in 1922 by the Liberal Premier Sir Henry Barwell as a means to gain young men for agricultural and pastoral work. Barwell aimed to address the loss of 6,000 South Australian men who had been killed in World War I. The general need to bolster the population numbers in Australia, while mindful of the 'White Australia' policy, was also paramount. Workers were required to assist both farmers and soldier settlers who were to develop productive holdings. British support for the program was prompted by the high level of unemployment in the 'Mother country', coupled with desire to reinforce the ties with and strength of the British Empire.

An Apprenticeship Agreement was signed by each boy, assigning him to a farmer for three years. Working and living conditions as well as wages were detailed. South Australian Department of Immigration Director Victor Ryan supervised the scheme, being responsible for the boys' reception, assigned employment, and welfare - he corresponded with the boys and their families.

The Labor Party opposed the scheme, criticising it as a source for cheap labour, declaring that Australian boys should have been preferred, and expressing concern for the welfare and care of the young immigrants.

After arriving at Port Adelaide, 'Barwell boys' were accompanied to the former Destitute Asylum. They were assigned to farmers generally within 48 hours of arrival. For some the culture shock of the harsh environment in rural South Australia was distressing, and the promises of the scheme were not realised for both personal and work reasons. However, many did complete their apprenticeships and remained in the state. This immigration scheme ceased after 1924.” Colin Sandell-Hay

“Not sure what happened when he arrived in Australia. They were supposed to stay in South Australia and take up apprenticeships, but I think he headed to Victoria fairly quickly and then ended up in NSW. I think they ran a pub in Murrurundi - where Nanna Irwin was from.” - Colin Sandell-Hay

“Agnes suffered from Polio and had a noticeable limp” - Colin Sandell-Hay

“This is Australian Military Record Henry Victor Sandell-Hay

in the Australia, World War II Military Service Records, 1939-1945 Saved to: Sandell-Hay, Henry in tree "Sandell-Hay Family Tree" You've saved this record to your shoebox. Australia, World War II Military Service Records, 1939-1945 No Image Text-only collection

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Name: Henry Victor Sandell-Hay Birth Date: 24 May 1904 Birth Place: Drypool England Year Range: 1939-1948 Enlistment Place: Paddington, New South Wales Service Number: NX18980 Next of Kin: Agnes Sandellhay Series Description: B883: Army, 2nd Al F” - Colin Sandell-Hay

Thank you!
WikiTree profile: Henry Sandell-Hay
in Genealogy Help by Jamie Sandell G2G1 (1.6k points)
edited by Jamie Sandell

Probably nothing new here...

https://nominal-rolls.dva.gov.au/veteran?id=137753&c=WW2#R
Name     SANDELL-HAY, HENRY VICTOR
Service     Australian Army
Service Number     NX18980
Date of Birth     24 May 1904
Place of Birth     DRYPOOL, ENGLAND
Date of Enlistment     30 May 1940
Locality on Enlistment     MURRURUNDI, NSW
Place of Enlistment     PADDINGTON, NSW
Next of Kin     SANDELL-HAY, AGNES
Date of Discharge     13 Oct 1941
Rank     Private
Posting at Discharge     Australian Depot Battalion

https://vwma.org.au/explore/people/930908

Name SANDELL-HAY, HENRY VICTOR
Service Australian Army

Service Number:     NX18980
Enlisted:     30 May 1940
Last Rank:     Private
Last Unit:     Australian Depot Battalion
Born:     DRYPOOL, ENGLAND, 24 May 1904
World War 2 Service
30 May 1940:     Enlisted Australian Military Forces (Army WW2), Private, SN NX18980, Australian Depot Battalion    
13 Oct 1941:     Discharged Australian Military Forces (Army WW2), Private, SN NX18980, Australian Depot Battalion

Regarding the P&O steamer Balranald, it called at Adelaide (24 April), Melbourne (28 April), and Sydney (1 May). [Newspaper arrival dates can vary slightly]

Thank you! The discharge date and extra shipping details are new. Would still love to solve the mystery of the adoption of the name Hay. :-)
The Barwell Boys as farm apprentices was a South Australian Scheme. There were 50 on the Balranald. Henry Sandell was listed in the Melbourne section of the Balranald's passenger list. https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/6f/Sandell-339.jpg He isn't in the SA list of Barwell Boy applicants - https://archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/public/documents/GRG7_19_0.pdf So i think he was not a Barwell Boy.

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Great page!
by Marty Franke G2G6 Pilot (795k points)
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The Hay family name comes from those who came to England with William the Conqueror,Duke of Normandy, from La Haye du Puits in Normandy
by Victoria Bradburne G2G Crew (510 points)
Oh that’s interesting! My questions was more how come Henry Victor Sandell went to Australia in 1924 and  seemingly before he married an Irwin in 1933 he changed his surname to Sandell-Hay?
Sorry.. misunderstood.,my Hay ancestors went Scotland from France ..Earls of Kinnoul and Archbishop of York Robert Hay Drummond
Not a problem, and very interesting!

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