What shenanigans are hiding in this German handwriting?

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This 1749 marriage record for Johann Everd Grotmann says he married Anna Elisabeth Berlemann, right?

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/b/bb/Buente-11-1.png

What is he doing in this 1750 baptism record of a child named Margareta Elsaben? Who is Elsaben Buente? What does the rest of the text say?

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/4/45/Grotmann-18.png

(Everd baptized four more children, mother not named in the records, and then...)

These two 1760 burial records would seem to be for Everd's family: a son on line 10, and there on line 12 is Elisabeth Berelmann's name again. What do these say?

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/62/Buente-11.png

Many thanks if you can help!
WikiTree profile: Everd Grotmann
in Genealogy Help by Cheryl Hammond G2G6 Mach 3 (34.5k points)
One more, this 1725 baptism for Everd himself:

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/e/e6/Grotmann-17.png
Dear Cheryl one remark to your images. You should always present a link to the image or show us at least a whole page that we can compare the letters in that entry with other entries.
These are from FHL scans and microfilms that can only be accessed from within their libraries - I went to FHL last year for them. I do have the entire page but I don't feel good about posting it publicly. I'll include that information in my future posts and would be happy to share the full page privately if it is helpful.

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1.) It is a marriage record:

2.) D 7tn Nov. Johann Everd Grotmann und Anna Elisabeth Derlemanns (oder Berlemanns)

2.) On the 7th of Nov Johann Everd Grotmann and Anna Elisabeth Derlemanns (or Berlemanns)

- see my remark to your question

by Dieter Lewerenz G2G Astronaut (3.1m points)
selected by Susan Laursen
2.)

6) D 15 Maij Elsabe Bunten Ein unehelich Kind getauft, so sie gezeuget mit Everd Grotmann. Gev. waren Greetke in Wedden ... . die junge Danenbrocksche, und Johann Henr. Steffen zu Murdberg. Nm. Margareta Elsaben

6) on 15 May Elsabe Bunten has baptized an illegitimate child, which she conceived with Everd Grotmann. Godparents were Greetke in Wedden ... . the young Danenbrocksche, and Johann Henr. Steffen from Mardberg. Name Margareta Elsaben
3.)

10) D 6 Mert Grotmanns Sohnl. Joh. Herm. begrabn, at. 9 Jahr weniger 2 Monath. P. Eoch. 7.2

12) D 21 ejsd. die junge Grotmannsche Elisabeth Berlemanns, at 33 P. 2. Pim. 1.12.

10) On March 6 Grotmann's son Joh. Herm. buried, aged 9 years less 2 months.  P. Eoch. 7.2

12) On 21 of the same month the young Grotmannsche Elisabeth Berlemanns, aged 33. P. 2. Pim. 1.12.
4.)

D 16. Febr: Dem Grotman Junior ein Söhnlein Getauft, Gevattern waren Brönskrig auß dem Stift Osnabrück, des jungen Grotmans sein Bruder von Wechte, Kirchspiels Lengerich und Lampings Tochter von Lotte; wurd genand Johan Everd

On 16 Feb: Grotman Junior had a son baptized, godparents were Brönskrig from Osnabrück Abbey, young Grotman's brother from Wechte, parish of Lengerich and Lamping's daughter from Lotte; he was named Johan Everd

So Everd was sneakin' and creepin' on his new wife. Tsk.

Do you know whether the illegitimate Margareta would have used the Grotmann surname? 

Many many thanks again!

At that time (before 1875) illegitimate children nearly almost get the fathers surname in Germany, if the father is known. Mostly the mothers gave the name to the priest.
Perfect, thank you again :)

He married her after his wife died!

Maria Elsaben Buente married Wilm Henrich Möllenkamp 26 Oct 1755. They baptized children together in 1756 & 1759, then no further records.

Everd married Maria Elsaben Möllenkamp 22 Jun 1760!

[I think this is the same person. It might not be.]

I wish the parish records could tell us all the whys :)

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