Carnegie libraries

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Most musicians have the ambition to perform at Carnegie Hall in New York City. (I can honestly say that I have sung at Carnegie Hall, except that the Carnegie Hall I sang in was the building for the Mathematics Department of Acadia University in Wolfville, Nova Scotia, so it's not quite the same thing.)

What I didn't know until I visited Dunfermline, Scotland, where Andrew Carnegie was born, was that he was known for much more than a concert hall and a building for a university. In fact, there are towns and cities all over the world where the local public library was endowed by Andrew Carnegie. (The first public library in Vancouver, my home town, was one of his endowments.)

WikiTree profile: Andrew Carnegie
in The Tree House by Greg Slade G2G6 Pilot (691k points)
My husband (non-genealogist) has always touted the achievements and benevolence of Andrew Carnegie. He was indeed a wonderful human being.

One of the first things I learned from my Scottish husband is that the name is pronounced Car-NAY-gee in Scotland, and not how most (US) Americans pronounce it: CAR-nah-gie. I'm not sure how our north-of-the-border cousins pronounce it!
I would not describe Carnegie as a wonderful person, his is a mixed legacy at best. He was a powerful industrialist who amassed his fortune on the backs of his workers and worked to break the unions representing his workers. See: the 1892 Homestead Strike. After he amassed a great deal of wealth, he "charitably" gave back some of this wealth. See: Bill Gates and others.

This is not meant to provoke an argument but just to provide another perspective.

Bobbie, when I visited his home in Dunfermline, the docent insisted that it was pronounced Car-NEE-gee, so I have tried to pronounce it that way ever since, although I haven't been that consistent. It may be that Car-NAY-gee is more common in the rest of Scotland, and Car-NEE-gee is a regional variant in Fife (or even possibly just in Dunfermline), but since that's where he was born, I'm pretty sure that they would know how his family would have pronounced it when he was a child.

Peggy, I have never been of the opinion that Carnegie (or anybody else who has accumulated that much wealth) was any kind of an angel. I celebrate the libraries for their own sake, because libraries and archives are so essential to genealogical research. Still, I am a big believer in making sure that the profiles of notables are of as high a quality as we can manage (narrative biography, at least one picture, sourced, connected, etc.), because it's mostly notable profiles that draw people to WikiTree, and it's the ads shown to visitors that pay for the servers, internet connection, domain registration, and so on. (Much as I personally find him fascinating, my great-great uncle Horatio just isn't going to draw as many visitors to the site.)

And, just generally, I don't consider it my job to pass judgement on people I've never even met. As a genealogist, my job is to document what happened. Other people are perfectly capable of deciding whether a given historical figure was a good person, a bad person, or a mixture of both on the basis of what that person did. So what they need from me is a documented record of what that person did, not my opinions about what they did.

All that said, I don't believe that the comparison with Bill Gates is quite fair. According to Wikipedia, Carnegie gave away nearly 90% of his fortune. According to Bloomberg, Gates was worth $110 billion in 2019, so the $5 billion that he has donated to his foundation is nearly pocket change to him. When Gates has given away so much money that his net worth is down to about $11 billion, then we can compare him to Carnegie.

I know it's common for charities to chase the wealthy for big donations, but that's not as useful a strategy as most people think. I've heard for years that rich people give a smaller percentage of their earnings than poor people do, but I figured that that was an average, and that there would be exceptions. But a few weeks back, I read a story about the top ten charitable donors in the world. Not one (not one!) of the top ten donors gave even 10% of their wealth away. (10%, or a tithe, was what the Law required of the Israelites, and many, if not most, Christians regard it as kind of a minimum giving threshold.) If you gathered together enough people in the bottom decile of annual income to equal the annual income of anybody in the ten ten donors list, and tallied up their charitable contributions, the results would be pretty embarrassing -- for the billionaires.

Although if Wikipedia is correct, then Carnegie does seem to have been the exception. It's too bad that nobody seems to be following his example in that realm.

I, too, sang at Carnegie Hall - the real one, in New York City.  The occasion was the evening I attended a concert there and my performance was only 1 line of a song, which I performed in the ladies room there, after making sure that nobody else was in the room at the time.  If anyone else had been there, my singing would certainly have chased them out quickly, though.
It is not surprising so many people commenting on their local Carnegie library. Nearly 1700 in North America and another 700 in uk and Europe. Also the peace palace, now part of the European court of justice. The Carnegie heros medal and in his home town the Carnegie trust still offers scholarships in his name and takes part in many good works. His plan to give away all his money was only thwarted when he died.

While none of us can dispute the rights and wrongs if accumulating wealth as practised by most industrialists in the late 19th early 20th century who cannot argue with the results in Carnegie’s case.

I am proud and humbled to be distantly related to the great man and am frequent disappointed when his good works take a back step as he behaved as most wealthy men in his time.

“A man who dies rich dies in disgrace.”

His only extravagance was his beloved Skibo Castle in Scotland. Sadly now turned into a playground for the rich, ironically named “the Carnegie Club” where today’s wealthy may idle away the hours.

The great man surely must turn in his grave!

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My city has a Carnegie Library. It's the oldest established library in the state of Louisiana.

It has an extensive genealogy section. Lots of Southwest Louisiana history can be found there.

by Tommy Buch G2G Astronaut (1.9m points)
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So many libraries in North America are due to Carnegie. One local one here is now a local history library. Another is the offices of the community TV cable channel.  His history was definitely not the best but the libraries are still around.
by Doug McCallum G2G6 Pilot (542k points)
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They are here in our part of the country (Oklahoma).

My office window in downtown Oklahoma City looks out over the former Carnegie library, now converted to The Carnegie Center, a mix of apartments and retail, and there is a gorgeous former Carnegie library in Guthrie.
by Roger Stong G2G Astronaut (1.4m points)
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In Canada, I think you mostly hear the American pronunciation of Carnegie, but I've heard the Scottish one as well.

The Carnegie Library in nearby Campbellford, Ontario is still a library, 109 years on! https://www.northumberlandnews.com/news-story/3776271-100th-anniversary-for-carnegie-library-in-campbellford/

by Richard Hill G2G6 Mach 9 (97.8k points)
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There's a Carnegie library in Loughborough, Leicestershire, England. My uncle used to work there.
by Gillian Causier G2G6 Pilot (295k points)

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