Does anyone have DNA results linked to Connecticut and New York settlers?

Question

I received Ancestry DNA results, and my results showed Early New York and Connecticut settlers as part of my DNA. My Heritage shows the same with my DNA trail. Can this be of help? Should I add ancestry to my profile? If so how do I do this?

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Hello cousin Julie,

We are 10th cousins through Daniel Cole.

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Russell-20537&person2_name=Berryann-1

I also have many deep roots in New England.

EDIT: Explore more: 186 common ancestors were found between Julie and Missy. To view the relationship trails, select the common ancestor here.

Missy 

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Oh it is so nice to meet you! Wow, doors are opening, finding cousins and how we relate is a dream come true. I would love to hear from you! Julie

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Hi Julie Like the other commenters here we are 10th cousins .Thru Elizabeth ( Cooke) Guild . And also 179 other ancestors some back to the 1100s.

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How awesome!! This is a great way to find more cousins, did you run a gedmatch scan? I'm so happy to meet you Terrance.

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186 Missy! Tell me there is a way to help us as cousins to prove our ancestry? I added my ancestry results. I have DNA matched with first cousins, my immediate family on both sides, with 1st and 2nd cousins. My great grandmother was great at changing her name, still found matches for her, only the Spanolia name is up in the air. Virginia is also in my circle. How can a great grandmother be so tough to break?

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Hi Julie,

We are 9th cousins through the Benham family. Caryl (Short) Ruckert and Julie (Russell) Donovan are both descendants of Hannah (Merriman) Benham (1651-abt.1702).  I have many ancestors from CT and NY.  We have 310 common ancestors.  Nice to meet you. :)

Caryl

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Caryl it is so nice to meet you! Hannah Merriman is definitely our ancestor and possibly more, are you on gedmatch? Maybe we have more in common. I am so happy to meet you! We are moving ahead step by step. I'm on ancestry and family tree, as well as my heritage. If I find any other connections, I will let you know. Is there a group that is working on DNA and early settlers? Julie

Answer 1

Julie, I see that you have a pretty-well-filled-out WikiTree profile already with many ancestors.

Sure, you can add ancestors suggested by DNA matches, as long as there is independent documentation of the connections--birth records naming parents, etc.

The problem with Ancestry DNA connections is that to some extent they rely on questionable trees, so you really need to review all the evidence for yourself.

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My tree links all the way back to the settlers, my DNA shows very likely matched to early Connecticut and New York settlers and is circled. My Heritage shows the same. If others have the same results, can this help with connections to early settlers?

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If you already have the ancestors on WikiTree, then it seems the question is whether you can mark them as confirmed by DNA.  WT has specific rules for that.  (I'll go find the link in a minute.)

Often, DNA matches that appear to go back to very early generations, such as American colonists, can't be verified because they could have come from many different ancestors.  (If the match appears to confirm a seventh great grandfather, for example, are you sure you don't share other seventh great grandfathers, as yet unidentified, with that match?)

If you can't satisfy WT's rules for DNA confirmation, you can still add a "DNA information" statement to an ancestor profile.  I've done that.  But please be sure to clearly state the match strengths.

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Here is the help page: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:DNA_Confirmation

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I learned that early, I rely on DNA and matching records and DNA matches... That is my passion!

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Thank you for the star, Julie!

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I have definitely made sure that I do. I have definitely first and second cousins on many of the great grandparents, some have been very easy. Those whom aren't easy are confident. Julie

Answer 2

I would definitely add your Ancestry ID to your DNA information even if you have already added your other IDs. It's about connecting with others and helping people find information.

You can do this by going here:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:DNATests

(It's in the Add drop down menu.)

By the way, by using "Relationship to Me" on the Family Tree and Tools page, I see that we are 12th cousins. We share Cornell and Baldwin colonial immigrant ancestors. (CT for anyone curious.)

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Omg! This is amazing! Dina it is so nice to meet you! Already I'm finding cousins, thank you so very much! I would love to see the breakdown you found on our common ancestors. Julie

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Julie, Elizabeth Jessup Cornell is both of our 10th great grandmother. Hers was the first name that came up. RF says there are 180 more.

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Julie and Dina are 11th cousins once removed

Julie (Russell) Donovan and Dina Grozev are both descendants of Richard Baldwin III (1576-bef.1633).

1. Julie is the daughter of John Russell 
2. John is the son of William David Russell (1904-1989) 
3. William is the son of Annie May (Cronk) Russell (abt.1871-abt.1919) 
4. Annie is the daughter of Charles H Cronk (abt.1831-1898) 
5. Charles is the son of Elise E (Chase) Cronk (abt.1801-abt.1886) [confident]
6. Elise is the daughter of Elizabeth (Mosher) Chase (abt.1766-abt.1848) 
7. Elizabeth is the daughter of Samuel Mosher Sr. (abt.1742-abt.1815) [unknown confidence]
8. Samuel is the son of George Mosher (1717-abt.1784) [unknown confidence]
9. George is the son of Elizabeth Mary (Edwards) Mosher (1681-aft.1751) [unknown confidence]
10. Elizabeth is the daughter of Benjamin Edwards (1652-1724) [unknown confidence]
11. Benjamin is the son of Sarah (Baldwin) Edwards (abt.1621-1690) [confident]
12. Sarah is the daughter of Richard Baldwin III (1576-bef.1633) [unknown confidence]
This makes Richard the tenth great grandfather of Julie.

1. Dina is the daughter of Karin Philabaum 
2. Karin is the daughter of Warren Dale Philabaum (1910-1947) [confident]
3. Warren is the son of Perle Joseph Philabaum (1885-1954) [confident]
4. Perle is the son of Alonzo Philabaum (1851-1918) [confident]
5. Alonzo is the son of Hannah Maria (Ayers) Philabaum (1823-1878) [confident]
6. Hannah is the daughter of Robert Ayers (abt.1798-1874) [confident]
7. Robert is the son of Betsey (Moore) Ayers (abt.1770-abt.1840) [confident]
8. Betsey is the daughter of Eunice (Ford) Scott (1743-1802) [unknown confidence]
9. Eunice is the daughter of Sarah (Baldwin) Boyle (1709-1789) [unknown confidence]
10. Sarah is the daughter of Jonathan Baldwin (1667-bef.1726) [confident]
11. Jonathan is the son of Benjamin Baldwin (abt.1642-1729) [confident]
12. Benjamin is the son of Joseph Baldwin I (abt.1610-1684) [confident]
13. Joseph is the son of Richard Baldwin III (1576-bef.1633) [confident]
This makes Richard the 11th great grandfather of Dina.

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You and I are closer cousins:  

Julie and Kitty are 9th cousins once removed

Julie (Russell) Donovan and Kitty (Cooper) Smith are both descendants of William Tyler Sr. (abt.1634-abt.1693).

1. Julie is the daughter of John Russell 
2. John is the son of William David Russell (1904-1989) 
3. William is the son of Annie May (Cronk) Russell (abt.1871-abt.1919) 
4. Annie is the daughter of Anne Eliza (Richards) Cronk (abt.1844-abt.1936) 
5. Anne is the daughter of Homer B Richards (abt.1816-abt.1902) [unknown confidence]
6. Homer is the son of Nancy (Smith) Richards (abt.1777-1825) [confident]
7. Nancy is the daughter of Bethiah (Doolittle) Smith (1746-1842) [unknown confidence]
8. Bethiah is the daughter of Hepzibah Tyler (1715-1796) [confident]
9. Hepzibah is the daughter of William Tyler (1665-1749) [unknown confidence]
10. William is the son of William Tyler Sr. (abt.1634-abt.1693) [confident]
This makes William the eighth great grandfather of Julie.

1. Kitty is the daughter of Barbara Jean (Smith) Cooper (1923-abt.2000) 
2. Barbara is the daughter of Harold Bunnell Smith (1893-1981) 
3. Harold is the son of Jessie Wells (Bunnell) Smith (1871-1959) [confident]
4. Jessie is the daughter of Edward Salmon Bunnell (1834-1872) [confident]
5. Edward is the son of Salmon Bunnell (1805-1882) [confident]
6. Salmon is the son of Dorcas (Gale) Jarvis (1777-1865) [unknown confidence]
7. Dorcas is the daughter of Phebe (Mead) Gale (abt.1768-abt.1856) [unknown confidence]
8. Phebe is the daughter of Phebe Palmer (1733-1780) [unknown confidence]
9. Phebe is the daughter of William Palmer (1694-bef.1786) [unknown confidence]
10. William is the son of Mary (Tyler) Palmer (abt.1660-) [confident]
11. Mary is the daughter of William Tyler Sr. (abt.1634-abt.1693) [confident]
This makes William the ninth great grandfather of Kitty.

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Dina and Missy are 9th cousins once removed 

Dina Grozev and Missy Berryann are both descendants of Lydia (Perkins) Wardell (abt.1640-1699).

1. Dina is the daughter of Karin Philabaum

2. Karin is the daughter of Warren Dale Philabaum (1910-1947)
3. Warren is the son of Perle Joseph Philabaum (1885-1954)
4. Perle is the son of Emma (Shute) Philabaum (1854-1901)
5. Emma is the daughter of Edward F. Shute (1825-1901)
6. Edward is the son of Sibyl (Cook) Shute (1787-1847)
7. Sibyl is the daughter of Robert Cook (1756-1823)
8. Robert is the son of Ebenezer Cook (abt.1715-bef.1773) 
9. Ebenezer is the son of Sarah (West) Corlies (1690-bef.1740)
10. Sarah is the daughter of Margaret (Wardell) West (1664-abt.1740)
11. Margaret is the daughter of Lydia (Perkins) Wardell (abt.1640-1699)
This makes Lydia the ninth great grandmother of Dina.

1. Missy is the daughter of Alan Berryann
2. Alan is the son of Raymond Russell Berryann Sr (1895-1952)
3. Raymond is the son of Mary Ann (Shinn) Berryann (1861-1918)
4. Mary is the daughter of Joseph Gideon Shinn (1827-1886)
5. Joseph is the son of Clayton Shinn (abt.1796-1869)
6. Clayton is the son of Restore Shinn Jr (1766-bef.1802)
7. Restore is the son of Mary (Biddle) Shinn (1737-1804)
8. Mary is the daughter of Joseph Biddle (abt.1705-bef.1776)
9. Joseph is the son of Lydia (Wardell) Biddle (1670-1707)
10. Lydia is the daughter of Lydia (Perkins) Wardell (abt.1640-1699)
This makes Lydia the eighth great grandmother of Missy.

Answer 3

You and I connect through our Mosher roots. Hugh Mosher was a rather important figure in the settlement of Rhode Island. I imagine that many of your related lines are Connecticut based.

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So amazing! Omg, I thank you so much. I'd love to see the breakdown! So nice to meet you! This is awesome, Julie

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It drives me nuts that I have so many Mosher and Snyder DNA relatives but no idea how I'm connected to them. I suspect it's either through my ancestor Susanna or my ancestor Catharine.

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Julie, if you click on my name at the end of this message, it will take you to my profile page. At the top, you'll see five drop down menus - the second will have my profile ID. Open the drop down menu and look for "Relationship to Me" towards the bottom. Click on the link and you will see a chart showing how you and I are related. You can do this same process for anyone with a WikiTree profile page.

Answer 4

Julie,

I think you are in for a lot of work - your problem will be too many connections.

Just to make it interesting for you - you and I do not have a DNA match.  However - you and my full sister have a 8.6 cm X chromosome match, but no matches on other chromosomes.   The match has to be through my sister's maternal line - but Wikitree does not show a maternal connection, only a paternal one - and that one shows 130 common ancestors.

So even though your family tree is filled out and my family tree is filled out - we are missing a connection - more work to do.

Answer 5

Here is the Y-DNA of Butler of Hartford:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Butler-4923

and Holcomb of Simsbury, CT:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holcomb-618

If you are registered at mitoYDNA.org 

(How to register: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WWnDdWKKw )

and logged into mitoYDNA.org, then you can click on the mitoYDNA IDs of their Y-DNA tested descendants to see their Y DNA haplotype.

Answer 6

Julie,

I think you may have hundreds of connections to the New England area. We are 9th cousins 2X removed, but we share 183 common ancestors.  Of these, many were original settlers to that area, including Rebecca (Briggs) Cornell, Mary (Ravens) Coolidge just to name a few. I also connect to Missy and everyone else who has answered thus far in numerous paths, so you potentially have a lot to research!

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Wow Ken, my mind is blown.. Especially with the possible Cornell connection. Maybe I need help finding this connection with Rebecca Briggs Cornell. I'm stuck with a Bennett brick wall and a Freeland wall. However I have reached all the way back to 1500-1600 on my heritage. I am so happy to meet you. I'm finding so many connections!

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Rebecca (Briggs) Cornell would be your 11th Great grandmother.  Nice to meet you too!

Answer 7

Hi Julie,

We are 8th Cousins 1 x Removed through our Great Grandmother Ruth Rachel Smith Wiltse.  New York

Answer 8

Hi Julie!  Thanks for joining our one world wide WikiTree!

This is your list of autosomal  surnames:  https://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Russell-20537/10  These are the surnames where you will find your autosomal DNA cousins.  Your paternal side of the family has a lot of New England surnames that trace back to colonial America days.

I suggest that you copy and transfer your autosomal DNA test results to the FamilyTreeDNA.com database.  You should receive a couple thousand auDNA matches.  https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer  The transfer is free, but to open the contact information for your matches will cost about $19 (sale for $10 ends in a couple hours.)

You will receive a kit number ID that will be your account page on FamilyTreeDNA.com.  With this kit number, you can join all the DNA Projects that might help with your research.  Here are a few of the DNA Projects that might be of interest:  https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/smith-connections, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/donovan, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/kingsbury and https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/bennett

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I am on familytree.DNA, I find it tough to make a tree there. Yes you are correct, my dads parents were unknowingly 11 cousins. So I find many of the same names coalescing into both sides. It is amazing, my mothers maternal line is tough. Through DNA I am related to Quinn by first cousin. Its the Spanolia line that has me stumped. There are no Spanolia cousins. I am truly stumped. Bootleggers were great videos of everything. I am so happy to meet you Kitty, how did you do the surname page? I love it. Julie

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Nice to meet you too, cousin.  Everyone has a Surname Page which is automatically generated as you (or others) add ancestors to your family twig. Check it from time to time to see if any new ancestors have been connected.

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Also, you can generate a gedcom from your WikiTree profile:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:DownloadGedcom  Then you can upload that gedcom to your FamilyTreeDNA.com account page in the my Family Tree section.

Answer 9

The haplogroup of James Bishop-184 buried somewhere beneath or near the Center Church on The Green in New Haven should be the same as mine. He has a monument in Grove Street Cemetery with his son, but his body was not moved from the Green.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Haven_Green#History

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Edward, you're correct that the haplogroup of James Bishop-184 should be the same as yours. He's your direct male line ancestor. But the yDNA test information you added to your WikiTree profile doesn't say what your haplogroup is, or which yDNA test (# of markers) you took. Would you please add that to your WikiTree DNA test information. Thanks!

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I have been trying to enter my Y & mt haplogroup, SNP count, etc., but it just returns this message:
"The user Bishop-3754 has already been assigned the DNA test FTDNA Y-Chromosome" and leaves the fields blank.

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I'm not sure how you got to that spot. Try this: From the drop-down list under Add" at the top right of your profile, select "DNA test information". On the far right of the page headed "DNA tests for Edward Bishop", you should see a button that says "edit or enter more details". After you enter the information for Y-chromosome haplogroup, # of markers tested, and your FTDNA kit #, be sure to click on the "Save Details" button.  Let me know if that doesn't work, and I'll help you figure it out.

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That's the procedure I followed, but I get that error message when I click "Save Details."
Perhaps I need to first delete all my previous test entries and start over from scratch.

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Edward,

Try to go to the bottom of the same page that Kay suggested, and select ADD NEW TEST and enter all the information.  Then you can go back and delete the one that doesn't work.

Hope this helps

Answer 10

Hi Julie

We are both descended from Sarah Peck (Unknown-156001) making us 9th cousins 1R.  We also share 273 other ancestors many of which have New England or English roots.  I ran a comparison of our DNA on GedMatch and it shows we share about a half dozen small segments (28cM total, 4.4cM largest segment).  I also have a 2nd cousin 1R who shares my New England roots and I did a comparison of our common DNA and found that all three of us have small nearby segments on Ch 6,9.  For such small segments you can't be sure of their validity, but I thought you might like to know about it.

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Lewis, I would love to know it. One issue I noticed is cousins marrying way back then. The settlers had very few choices. If we add our DNA and we can triangulate it, this is a dream come true! Sarah Peck I believe is a definite record match. If we get enough shared DNA, we can prove it. I am thrilled at all of the responses! We may be on to something, are you good at walls, or have any tips on breaking them? Than you Lewis, keep me up to date on what you find, and if you need help, let me know. Julie

Answer 11

Hi Julie, we have 298 known ancestors in common:   298 common ancestors were found between Julie and Carolyn. To view the relationship trails, select the common ancestor here.

Have fun!

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298 ancestors Carolyn! That is so much more than I hoped for, do you have any idea to which direct ancestors? Are you able to understand reading DNA? I would love to triangulate who we share matches together. Thank you so very much, this means a lot to me. Bless you, Julie

Answer 12

Hi Julie! We are 9th Cousins, 1x Removed & we share 207 other ancestors, most notably through Hoyt, Cobb, Hendricks, Bancker... I have a pretty extensive tree on my end as well. We also match on GedMatch on Chromosome 6, 4cM. I do have triangulated DNA matches to Joseph Platt Hanford (1782-1870) who would have been your 4th Cousin, 7x removed through Walter Hoyt (1618 - 698) who is our shared 10th Great Grandfather.  

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That is amazing! So will this help with DNA proof Carol? The more we triangulate the more we know. I am pleased to meet you! What's funny is my brother and I are both tall! So do you understand how DNA triangulation works? I'd love to learn more. Julie

Answer 13

We are 7th cousins twice removed through James Tallman. (Rhode Island!). I have found Ancestry Thrulines to be useful. You can verify the connections, but that gives you the more recent cousins. You can extend the lines forward which is often easier to verify through source documentation, usually Family Search. Also you get Ancestry documentation but that is behind a pay wall so not as well liked. Still some of it can be verified outside of Ancestry.

Answer 14

Hi Julie,

I also have DNA linked to pioneer settlers in Connecticut and New York as well as Massachusetts who were generally from England.  

Wikitree says that we are 18th cousins, twice removed, through Joanna (Darset) Belknap who was married to Sir Robert Belknap, a chief justice of common pleas in England.  Joanna died July 1414 in Essex, England.  A descendant of theirs named Joseph Belknap emigrated from Hertfordshire to Massachusetts Bay toward the end of the Puritan Great Migration and settled in Boston.

I've found the Belknaps to have been incredibly prolific people producing an abundance of descendants in the USA.  Among Joseph's descendants here was William Worth Belknap who was secretary of war under president Ulysses S. Grant.  Many of my DNA hits eventually work their way backward to a Belknap from the area of Woburn, MA.

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Wow! I can trace my line pretty far back, is Belknap  in my tree as well? I know there are Grants, and many many more.  I believe I do have that surname far back. With all of us being related, we get closer and closer to DNA certification. I am on ancestry right now, and gedmatch, maybe we can triangulate. Its so nice to meet you James. WikiTree is full of kind people. I also have a few brick walls that need untangled. I wish I was an expert. Blessings, Julie

Answer 15

Hi Cous, we are 10th cousins through Elizibeth Curtis

Answer 16

Hi Julie, I’m sorry this reply is a little late but I have only just been informed by Ancestry that I am also a descendant of Connecticut and New York Settlers. This came as a great surprise to me as I have lived all my life in England, now in Portishead,Somerset, with no knowledge of the link. It excites me tho. The four main surnames Ancestry told me I was connected to are Harris, Allen, Baker and Smith. My actual surname is Cutler. I would love to hear from people, best wishes, Merryl.

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Start by adding your parents, grandparents, etc to get connected to others.

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I will but it is complicated. There is no factual certainty but I can trust DNA. Thankyou for replying. Merryl