Comments on Jane (Preston) Breckenridge

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On NaN undefined NaN Joseph (Carr) Feese wrote on Preston-2116:

It appears there are a considerable amount of Sources supporting the lineage of Jane Preston descending from Phineas Preston and Mary Stewart. Phineas Archibald Preston, 1672 - 1703 Phineas Archibald Preston was born in 1672, at birth place, to George Preston and Alice Preston (born Plant). George was born circa 1650, in Lichfield, Staffordshire, UK. Alice was born circa 1631, in UK. Phineas was baptized on month day 1670, at baptism place. Phineas married Mary Forbes (born Stewart) in 1692, at age 20 at marriage place. Mary was born circa 1677, in Mountjoy, County Tyrone, Ulster, Ireland. They had 7 children: Col. John Preston, Jane Breckenridge (born Preston) and 5 other children. His occupation was occupation. Phineas passed away on month day 1703, at age 31 at death place, Virginia. He was buried in month 1703, at burial place, Virginia. Source: https://www.myheritage.com/names/phineas_preston Also; Sources https://www.google.com/amp/s/rosamondpress.com/2013/09/13/house-of-stuart-in-america/amp/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Forbes,_Countess_of_Granard Also; Source: http://sherrysharp.com/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=2014&medialinkID=9127 These sources seem to concur with the majority of gene- sites I have reviewed. Unless there is some evidence showing that Jane Preston has another parent, this needs to be updated Please respond Thanks Joe

Answer 1

As indicated on the profile, we need some reliable sources, not just unsourced family trees.   When books like Burkes Peerage do not acknowledge a child of a "noble", it starts to look like people are just trying to connect themselves to a famous lineage.   Keep looking....

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There is an article in the Southern Presbyterian Review by Dr. Barry Waugh that says when Alexander Breckenridge died, his brother-in-law John Preston ordered an obelisk to be made for his grave and that Alexander's son Robert married his first cousin Letitia Preston.

This information is also found in The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography.

https://books.google.com/books?id=MZJLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=jane+preston+and+alexander+breckenridge&source=bl&ots=nSmAUJJIOd&sig=ACfU3U20Ze5WvdBc7BiA-6QAPq6KEjQi8w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiO8__k6YjvAhWHHM0KHUsbBIc4KBDoATAHegQIDBAD#v=onepage&q=jane%20preston%20and%20alexander%20breckenridge&f=false

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Please give us a link to the review by Dr. Barry Waugh, I could find no mention of the obelisk in the link you provided.

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Please see the reliable sources I listed below as an "answer". And please see that the Jane (Preston's) Breckenridge's record is reconnected to her parents.  Thank you for your help.

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In regards to, "When books like Burkes Peerage do not acknowledge a child of a "noble"..."   We then need to consider, it's my understanding the nobles had MANY offspring. So for the most part, only the ones seen as legitimate were acknowledged as their child. Isn't that correct?  So isn't it then understandable why a specific child might not be mentioned in one or more records. Plus I'm sure wars and disasters and other "unknowns" were known to destroy some family records, which causes us to face the frustrating lack of "reliable sources" we have today.

Thank you for your work in helping to solve these many family connection problems we are faced with today!

Answer 2

We now have sufficient proof of Jane being the sister of John Preston, which means her parents were indeed Archibald Preston and Hon. Mary Forbes (Stewart), the Countess of Granard.  Under the Find-A-Grave memorial page for, Letitia "Lettice" Preston Breckinridge, there is a paragraph, newspaper article, and other reliable sources that support the relationship.  The page reads...

Letitia was the daughter of John and Elizabeth (Patton) Preston. She married her first cousin Col. Robert Breckenridge in July 1758. Note, Robert's mother, Jane Preston, and Letitia's father, John Preston, were siblings. Letitia was Robert's second wife. Robert had first married Mary Poage, daughter of Robert Poage and Elizabeth Preston, and they had two sons, Alexander and Robert.

Letitia and Robert had five known children:
1. William Breckinridge , born c. 1759
2. John Breckinridge, born 1760
3. James Breckinridge, born 1763
4. Elizabeth Breckinridge, born c. 1766
5. Preston Breckinridge, born c. 1770
Note, James Breckinridge was said to be the first born in Botetourt County, where the family had moved by then.

During the American Revolution, Letitia Breckinridge provided supplies for the Patriots and thus earned the designation DAR Ancestor Number A202892. Two of her sons, James and John, (DAR Ancestor Numbers A013940 and A013942) were soldiers in the American Revolution, as were her two stepsons,
1. Alexander Breckenridge
2. General Robert Breckenridge who would serve as Speaker of the Kentucky State House of Representatives, 1792.

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Inscription

LETTICE (PRESTON)
BRECKINRIDGE
DAUGHTER OF JOHN AND
ELIZABETH PATTON PRESTON
BORN 1728 IN IRELAND
MARRIED 1758 IN VIRGINIA
DIED 1798
IN FAYETTE COUNTY, KY.
"COUNTED WORTHY OF
THE KINGDOM OF GOD."

It also identifies her parents and other relationships, and clips.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8884777/letitia-breckinridge

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I still see no "sources" for the relationships described.   They are the same relationships found in many unsourced family trees and appear to have been copied over to Find a Grave.

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I strongly believe there is great cause for you to reconsider, for when you click on other links to go deeper, the evidence of her family connection is there.  By your own word "appears", I'm wondering if you are basing your decision ONLY on the above info I copied from the Memorial Page, for the page contains other family links, and an old newspaper article, with info provided by family at the time. The names listed in the article seem to match up with corresponding family tree info.  Also, if you click on the link to her father's memorial page, the info reads....

"According to a monument erected by members of the Preston family in 1855, John Preston was buried in Tinkling Springs graveyard in 1747. His wife Elizabeth Patton Preston, eloped with John in 1723 in Ireland before coming to an American colony in Virginia, (Beverley's Manor) and joining Elizabeth's brother James Patton, already there. John and Elizabeth came to America on board "The Walpole", a ship owned by Elizabeth's brother James (their father was Henry Patton of Ireland, a shipping magnate of the time). John was a shipbuilder/carpenter,and was said to be very handsome. His sister Jane married Alexander Breckinridge, while another sister, Margaret Preston married his brother-in-law, William Patton."

Since this info in the article, and the above was provided by the family, WHO ARE DIRECT DESCENDANTS, and at the time of the article, still living in the ancestral home... and a very prominent family at that... the family would know who  their own kin and family history, like which ship they arrived on, etc. And personal info, like how he and his wife eloped.  Since INFO PROVIDED BY THE FAMILY IS NORMALLY ACCEPTABLE, unless other stronger sourced info proves otherwise... and this is all info that would be a matter of record... then what cause do we have that would make us believe that the statement, "His sister Jane married Alexander Breckinridge" is not also correct? 

I then go back to my original request, for based on the above info, we have sufficient evidence to reconnect Jane to her parents' and brother's profiles. 

Thank you!

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Evelyn, I am a Historian, I think what we have going on is James is the brother of William II, and William married James II daughter Mary (Sarah/Mary Queen of Scotts.) Alexander George is the father of them and the two brothers who were Alexanders son's separated after the massacre are William and Henry von Humboldt.  The names they change all the time.  The more names that they used the more money were able to ask for fights of battle that the numbers have been inflated. They were usually getting a long pretty with natives. A lot of the fights reported were inflated and they did that like Robin Hood to buy land from Russia and Spain. It's all true.  They did this with the Sherwood Forest names, they probably even did it south American too

Answer 3

While there are continuing secondary sources that indicate the parents, someone should be able to pull from those sources some kind of primary source information to add to the profile.