Chief Big Thunder

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Was Big Thunder related to Pocahontas? If so, how?

Was he Leni-Lenape or Shawnee?
WikiTree profile: Big Thunder Lenape
in Genealogy Help by Living McQueen G2G6 (8.3k points)
retagged by Maggie N.

I think I might have found the genesis of this story. In 1755 General Braddock met with a group of Iroquois Chiefs to try to convince them to support the British against the French in the French and Indian War. One of these chiefs was White Thunder, a Mingo Seneca from New York. Chief White Thunder had a daughter named.....wait for it.....Bright Lightning!

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+8 votes
The better question might be, did this man really exist?
by Jeanie Roberts G2G6 Pilot (143k points)
He (and his family) only seem to exist on the Internet.  Numerous on-line trees have his supposed daughter married to a mythical settler in New Sweden.  This seems to be one of the many “My-ancestor’s-spouse-is-unknown-so-must-have-been-Indian”  myths.

He also appears along with Bright Lightning in the Shawnee Heritage books by Don Greene. This is a huge red flag. 

Profiles like those for this family make me feel actually ill.  The many unsourced LDS trees  list Bartholmew Applegate’s wife as “Lenape Squaw,”  some Internet trees include the horrible racist myth that a Lenape woman was sold to a white man.  None include one shred of evidence that any of the claimed Indians ever existed or explain how or why a white man from New Jersey would be marrying one of the handful of  Lenape who remained in the area after 1700. The parents of Batholomew Applegate are well documented, Batholomew is named in his father’s will, and Batholomew and wife Mary are found in a baptismal record for son Jacob.

I have marked both Chief Big Thunder and his wife as mythical members of the Shawnee Heritage Fraud Tribe. If anyone can provide documented proof of their existence, I'll be happy to take a look. 

"Lenape Squaw"? Yuck. I do find it weird how these unknown Native women are always called "Maiden" or "Squaw" on internet genealogy sites. You never see something like "Jane White Lady".
+4 votes
Perhaps this would help:https://www.nedoba.org/gene_fake.html#intro

As to relation to Pocahontas, i believe that is very doubtful, different tribes and states and no records .
by Sandra Vines G2G6 Pilot (139k points)
Great find Sandra.
Thank you.

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