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John Gray (abt. 1580 - abt. 1640)

John Gray aka Grey, Graie
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died about at about age 60 in Stapleford Tawney, Essex, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Biography

Disambiguation

  • John Grey (b. aft. 1595/9 - d. 04 Feb 1647) of Bradforth in Bamburgh, Northumb. & Burton, son of Ralph Grey of Chillingham, co. Northumb. & Jane Ardington of Ardington, co. Berks. His brother William, 1st Baron Grey of Werke (b. Aug 1593 Chillingham, Northumb. - d. Jul 1674, bur. Epping Essex), bought Epping manor in Essex from Thomas Finch in 1636.

Birth

John was probably born around 1580, most likely in England. His date and place of birth, as well as his parentage, are currently unknown.

Marriage

John must have married before 1608 when the first recorded birth of one of his children can be found.[1] Several entries for births and burials of his children can be found in The parish registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex however none of them contain the mother's name.[2] The christening record from 1537 is for one of his son John's children and the mother listed as Elizabeth, no last name, seems to have been his son's first wife, not his.[3] Therefore we do not know his wife's name and we don't even know in which town or county they got married.

Children

John had at least 8 children. The parish registers of Stapleford Tawney, do not name the mother(s) of John's children:

  1. Joane, bur. 12 Feb 1621 Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.[4]
  2. Richard bp. 1608 Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England, bur. 09 Oct 1613, Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.[5][6]
  3. Josua, bp. 25 Nov 1610 Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England, bur. 20 Jan 1621 Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.[5][7]
  4. John, bp. 07 Feb 1613, Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.[8]
  5. Rebecca, bp. 24 Sep 1615, Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.[9][10], m. (28 May 1638 Stapleford Tawney) Thomas Perry[11].
  6. Sarah, bp. 01 Jan 1617/8, Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.[12], m. (30 May 1642 Stapleford Tawney) Thomas Harding 30 May 1642.[13][14]
  7. Thomas, bp. 16 Jul 1620, Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.[15][16]
  8. Edward, bp. 15 Apr 1623, Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.[17]

Notes

Edits

  • clean-up 29 Aug 2020 (weblog traced asserting wife, poss. origins, etc).[18]

txt originally on profile: Davies (n.d.), asserts that:[18]

"It is to be presumed that John Gray was not native to Stapleford Tawney, but was only a resident of that parish for some years. ... John Gray was married before going to Stapleford, and in Harrow-on-the-Hill church records there is a John Gray baptized February 2, 1589 and married on October 6, 1606 to Elizabeth Ward.[19]

Sources

  1. Baptism: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
    citing FHL microfilm: 962701
    FamilySearch Record: JWKS-ML9 (accessed 2 May 2024)
    Richard Graie baptism on 28 Aug 1608, son of John Graie, in Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England and died on 9 Oct 1613.
  2. The parish registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex. England: Frederick Arthur Crisp, 1892.
  3. Baptism of son John Gray: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
    citing FHL microfilm: 962701
    FamilySearch Record: J7W4-7QG (accessed 2 May 2024)
    John Gray's son John Gray baptism on 10 Dec 1637 in Stapleford Tawney, Essex, England.
  4. The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex, 1892, p. 11. Google Books.
  5. 5.0 5.1 bp. 1608
    The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex, 1892, p. 11. Google Books.
    bur. 09 Oct 1613 Stapleford Tawney
    The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex, 1892, p. 42. Google Books.
  6. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Graie in entry for Richard Graie, 09 Oct 1613; FHL microfilm 0962701 IT 7.[1]
  7. Joshua Graie bur. 20 Jan 1621 Stapleford Tawney, Essex, (p. 43).[2]
    "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Graye in entry for Josua Graye, 20 Jan 1622; FHL microfilm 0962701 IT 7. [3]
    Crisp, p. 42-3.
  8. The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex, 1892, p. 12. Google Books
    "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Graie in entry for John Graie, 07 Feb 1613; FHL microfilm 0962701 IT 7.[4]
  9. The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex, 1892, p. 12. Google Books. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Graie Or Graye in entry for Rebecca Graie, 24 Sep 1615; FHL microfilm 0962701 IT 7.[5]
  10. Crisp, Pages 12, 29.
  11. The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex, 1892, p. 29. Google Books.
  12. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Graie in entry for Sarah Graie, 01 Jan 1618; FHL microfilm 0962701 IT 7. [6]
  13. Sarah Gray m. (30 May 1642) Thomas Harding, The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex, 1892, p. 29. Google Books.
  14. Crisp, Pages 13, 29.
  15. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Graie in entry for Thomas Graie, 16 Jul 1620; FHL microfilm 0962701 IT 7.[7]
  16. Crisp, Page 13.
  17. bp. 15 Apr 1623, <ref>The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex, 1892, p. 14. [https://books.google.com/books?id=TwQVAAAAQAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=John%20Grey%20of%20Stapleford&pg=PA14#v=onepage&q&f=false Google Books]. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Graie in entry for Edward Graie, 15 Apr 1623; FHL microfilm 0962701 IT 7.[https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9SP-T9C], Crisp, Pages 15, 43.</li> <li id="_note-GRAY1995">↑ <sup>[[#_ref-GRAY1995_0|18.0]]</sup> <sup>[[#_ref-GRAY1995_1|18.1]]</sup> </li> <li id="_note-11">[[#_ref-11|↑]] John Grey m. (5 Oct 1606 Harrow on the Hill, Essex) Elizabeth Warde.
    "England Marriages, 1538–1973, " John Grey and Elizabeth Warde, 05 Oct 1606] citing Harrow On The Hill, London, England; FHL microfilm 0481081 IT 4, 0547204 IT 3.[https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKDL-HXS]</li></ol></ref>
See Also...
  • Crisp, F.A. (1882). The Parish Registers of Stapleford Tawney, Essex (1882). Grove Park, London, UK. Google Books.




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For the Greys from here back to pre 1066 Battle of Hastings it is best to have the local in the name. ie.

of Chillingham, of Heton, of Horton, of Croy, of etal, ect.

If you don't you will lose track of them, there were 3 Baronships Grey and Tons of duplicate names; and near the same birth dates comming out 5 or 6 lines of greys..top that off they inter-married many times....

In other words you can get lost here in short order without the locals in the titles. I have them all sorted out going back from near here to pre-1066, I'll put them in and revise back as I go.

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Gray-445 and Graie-5 appear to represent the same person because: both profiles represent the same person
posted on Graie-5 (merged) by Marcia (Bonnet) Benjamin
Gray-3972 and Gray-445 do not represent the same person because: Children don't match, nothing else does
The Grays of Stapleford Tawney were Blacksmiths and look to have originated from Bishops Stortford in Hertfordshire (which is approx 20 miles from Stapleford Tawney.)

1. https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=47&id=249249

Recognizances of John Grays of Stampleford Tawney blacksmith, Thomas Bette of Barking yeoman; Thomas Greone of Stapleford Tawney labourer to answer for beating Dorothy Besdle spinter. 16 March. 1629 (The date makes me believe this is this John Gray, as his son John would have only turned 16 - would he be a blacksmith already, or still apprenticed?)

2. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D801407 - Will of john Gray, Blacksmith of Stapleford Tawney, Essex

This is the will of John's son John, the property he bequeaths to his son is in 'Stortford in Hertfordshire.' (He was buried in Stapleford Tawney 8th March 1659 & did not emigrate.) Mentions children John, Elizabeth & Mary, & wife Jane. He also makes his brother Edward his overseer.

3. https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=911174 - D/AEW 24/63 - The Nuncupative will of Edward Gray of Harold Wood, Liberty of Havering-atte-Bower, 15 April 1667 .

This is the will of John's son Edward (who died in England & did not emigrate.) I have put an abstract on Edward's profile, as it's a pay site. He mentions (amongst others) brother Thomas Gray (& his son Thomas) Brother-in-law Thomas Perry & his wife Rebecca (see her baptism & marriage in Stapleford Tawney) and sister-in-law Jane Gray and her daughter Mary Gray (see above will of John.)

Also in Essex archives are: https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=489159 Richard Graie of Hockerill, Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, blacksmith 1597 – is damaged. – sons William, John, Robert

https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=489354 Ann Gray of Hockerill 1616 – Sons William, John (the children of), Robert & Richard.

https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=3&id=489372 - William Gray of Bishops Stortford, blacksmith, 1617 - brother(?) Edward Gray, brother Richard Gray, brother John Gray, brother Robert Gray.

https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=488896 - John Gray the Elder of Bishops Stortford – Has sons John, Richard (& Walter? Or matthew??), and wife Margaret.


There are lots of register entries for Grays in Bishops Stortford (obviously transcripts & would need to be checked) but possibles include: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ6P-XYV – John Graye 6th Sep 1573

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSKY-BZY – Edward 1581

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ6P-CRL – Robert 1579 (father Richard)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7BR-PYZ – Richard 1576

https://archive.org/details/recordsofstmicha00bishuoft/page/92 - This note in the 'Records of St Michaels parish church, Bishops Stortford' (Glasscock) : 1521 - “ Fox tells us of one Gray, a smith of this town, accused for denying the Sacrament of the Altar to be Christ, was therefore sent for to London, but was there deliver’d by means of the Lord Cromwell” [Chauncy’s “Antiq. Of Herts” i. 326] (Grays as blacksmiths in Bishops Stortford in 1521.)

Also, is there anything to identify the marriage in Harrow on the Hill to Elizabeth Warde (?) as that of a John Gray of anywhere other than Harrow on the Hill? (There are Grays in Harrow on the Hill at this time.) I think the identification of a wife called Elizabeth is a mistake, and based on the later baptisms for a John (1637) & Mary (1641) to a John Gray & Elizabeth in the Stapleford Tawney parish register; but I think these are for the son John (b. 1613) & not this John. (I think the son John was married twice - Elizabeth & then Jane.) I can't find anything that identifies the name of this John's wife.


I don't see any link between these blacksmiths to the Gray family of Harwich who were a maritime family (also there is a distance of about 60 miles between them.) But it is all moot, as none of the sons of this John seem to have emigrated. John is still in Stapleford Tawney until 1659, Edward dies in Harold Wood in 1667 & Thomas is still alive & mentioned in Edward's will. (Also it's really not a surprise that some of the sons are not in the parish register, if they all followed their father's profession they would have to move away; there is only so much work in one village.)

(I don't currently have a subscription to Essex Records office, but if I do re-subscribe (or manage to get back there in person) I will take a look at the documents they have in regards to the Harwich Grays (including a pedigree for a Richard Gray who died 1661.) but I haven't seen anything that identifies Edward Gray of Plymouth as being from Essex specifically, so I don't expect him to be there either.)

Edited to make it easier to read.

posted by L Felix
edited by L Felix
In the American Ancestors Magazine, Vol. 11, No. 4, Fall 2010, an article titled "The Gray Family of Plymouth, Massachusetts, and Clues to the Origins of Jabez Warren of Lebanon, Connecticut, and Brimfield, Massachusetts" by George Edward Gray, DNA evidence has shown that male Jabez Warren descendants have markers from the DNA of the John Gray line. Jabez Warren, husband of Mary (poss. Bissell) was born ca. 1691.
posted by Darrell Larocque
Gray-18212 and Gray-445 are not ready to be merged because: According to notes, there is much confusion over many Grays.
Gray-445 and Gray-10007 appear to represent the same person because: Same except for death information. I show his migration to America in 1639, to Boston, Mass.

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