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John Wogan (abt. 1255 - 1321)

Sir John Wogan
Born about in Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Walesmap
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Died at about age 66 in Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Walesmap [uncertain]
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Biography

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John Wogan is Notable.

Sir John was a Cambro-Norman judge who served as Justiciar of Ireland from 1295 to 1313.[1]

He died in 1321 and was buried in St. David's Cathedral, initially in a chapel he had endowed, later in Edward Vaughan's chapel.[2]

Research Notes

According to pedigrees given to Dwnn about 1590, Sir John was the son of Sir Matthew Wogan and Avieia (Avice), heiress of Walter Malephant, and the great-grandson of Gwgan ap Bleddyn ap Maenrych.[3] This does not appear to be correct.

"There are several dubious theories about Wogan's ancestry, and uncertainty exists about his wives, sons, and other relations", per Sir John's Wikipedia article.[1] However, he may have been a descendant of Gwgan:

"The progenitor of the many branches of the Wogan family (there were branches at Boulston, Wiston, Picton, Llanstinan, Stonehall, and elsewhere in Pembrokeshire, as well as in Ireland and England) is supposed to have been Gwgan ap Bleddyn, lord of Brecknock..."[4]

The article on the Wogan families of Pembrokeshire posted by the Dictionary of Welsh Biography calls Sir John Wogan, justiciary of Ireland, the "first noteworthy member of the... Picton branch." While also noting the "complete uncertainty about his parentage and early life", the article includes his wife and son without caveat: "His wife was Margaret (died 1302), daughter and one of the co-heirs of Robert de Valle (Dale), lord of Walwyn's Castle.... Sir Thomas Wogan (born c. 1311), son and heir of the justiciary, became escheator of Ireland in 1338...."[4]

Bartrum also shows his wife as Margaret de Valle and cites the Dictionary of Welsh Biography ("s.n. Wogan") for his son Sir Thomas (c1311-1357). Bartrum does not connect Sir John to parents, but suggests that his father might be Walter Gwrgan. The Bartrum chart for Mathew Wogan (living 1334-86), shows his wife as Alice, daughter of Walter Malephant of Upton. Their son John married Joan Picton and died in 1419.[5]

His Wikipedia article introduces the confusion from Dwnn's pedigrees about his family,[3] stating that Sir John "married Joan, daughter of Sir William Picton of Picton Castle: he may also have made a second marriage to Margaret de Valle, daughter of Robert de Valle.[3] There is considerable confusion about the number and names of his children, and whether they were all by Joan. There appear to have been at least five sons, William, Thomas, John ( a judge of the Irish Justiciar's Court), Bartholomew and Walter, (Escheator of Ireland), and two daughters, Joan and Eleanor.[3]"[1]

Joan Picton, according to Bartrum, is the wife of Mathew and Alice's son John (died 1419). John and Joan's sons are charted as William (married Joan Joyce), Sir John (m Agnes Wiriot), and Thomas of Milton, with daughter Jane attached with a ? (m David Winter).[5]

Detached Profiles of parents and wife due to questionable source - pedigrees given to Dwnn in 1590[3] and lack of supporting sources

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Wikipedia: John Wogan (Justiciar of Ireland) (accessed 15 October 2023).
  2. Owen, Henry, "Old Pembroke Families in the Ancient County Palatine of Pembroke", London: private, 1902, Archive.org p. 41
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 Lee, Sidney, ed,"Wogan, Sir John Id. 1231?)", Dictionary of National Biography, New York: MacMillan Co., 1900, Vol. LXII, Archive.org, pp. 287-88
  4. 4.0 4.1 Dictionary of Welsh Biography: Wogan families, Pembrokeshire, by Dr Bertie George Charles.
  5. 5.0 5.1 The Bartrum Project, digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum (mirrored from the defunct Cadair site by Geni: Bartrum Genealogical Project - free login required to access the charts). See additional information about Cadair in G2G.




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Believe dob nearer c 1255 as made Justiciary of Ireland in c 1295 and was given legal protection by Edward I on journeying to Ireland on 22.5.1285. ( Dictionary of National Biographies Volume 62 1885 - 1900 ).
posted by Malc Rowlands
Agreed that birth c.1255 seems reasonable, given this excerpt from Sir John Wogan's profile in the Dictionary of Irish Biography:
  • He first appears in the employ of William de Valence, lord of Pembroke and Wexford; in 1275 he acted as an attorney on de Valence's behalf in a case concerning Wexford, heard before the king's bench in England. Subsequently he was briefly de Valence's steward of Wexford (1280).
posted by Z Fanning

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