Richildis
de Blois
formerly [surname unknown] aka de Bourges, de Troyes
Born about in Bourges, Cher, Centre, France
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of
Thibaut (Blois) de Blois
— married
[date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants 
Mother of
Adelaide (Blois) de Bretagne, Richard (Blois) de Blois, Gerlotte (Blois) de Bricquebec and Thibaut (Blois) de Blois
Died about
at about age 26
in France
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Biography
Name
- Richildis [1][2]
- Richilde[3]
- Surname Unknown. [1][4]
- Richilde de Bourges is shown as her name in a number of sites, but the surname presumes that her parentage is known, which it is not. Placing her as the daughte rof Hughes de Bourges is speculative. [5]
Birth and Parentage
The best authorities agree her parents are unknown. Those most frequently cited as her parents are Hugues II, count of Bourges (Hugues, Comte de Bourges. ) [5] and Rothilde of the Franks[3]
A number of "facts" pertaining to Richilde are derived from her supposed relationship to Hughes de Bourge. For instance, the statement in Geni that Richilde was born circa 886 in Bourges. [3]. If she is not the daughter of Hughes, then one does not know where she was born, and dates calculated from Hughes' life are not valid.
Similarly, the statement that she was half sister of Hugues, count of Maine; Herlouin II, count of Ponthieu and Judith du Maine [3] loses its support when she is not the daughter of Hughes de Bourge.
The impression that her father was Hughes de Bourges is expressed in the French Wikipedia which, states that Thibaut "épousa Richilde de Bourges, connue aussi sous le nom de Richilde du Maine (v.890-† ap.942)1, fille de Hugues (v.862-892), comte de Bourges et de Rothilde (v.871-v.928), fille de Charles le Chauve et de Richilde d'Ardennes. [6] The French Wikipedia site shows a lineage downward from Charlemagne through Richildes. [7] This lineage becomes invalid when Hughes de Bourge is not her father.
Marriage
Richildis married Thibaut in fact, it is because an otherwise unknown woman named Richildis was the wife of Thibaut that we know she existed. Depending on the language, Thibaut was variously known as Tetbald;[4] Thibault l'ancien; [4] Thibaud l'Ancien. [6]
Richildis was Thibaut's second wife and was so named in Europäische Stammtafeln but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. [1]
Thibaud, called "l'ancien" was born in 890 and died in 943. He became vicomte de Blois en 906, vicomte de Tours en 908, and then comte de Tours et comte de Blois in 940. [6] He founded the dynasty of Thibaldiens.[6] Thibault died in 944, place unknown. [4]
Death
Richilde died about 946 in Valois, Bretagne.[3]
Issue
Son of Thibaud, Mother Uncertain
- Thibault le Tricheur, born 910. Thibaud le Tricheur, Count of Blois, had a mother named Richilde and a brother named Richard. [8] Cawley asserts that "Comte Thibaut & his [first] wife had one child: Thibault (II), born 910 and died 16 Jan 975-977. [1] Thibaud, or Theobald, the son was known as "the trickster [3] or "the deceiver"[5] or "le tricheur"[6] The younger Thibaud was Comte de Blois et Chartres[6]
Confirmed Children of Richilde and Thibaud
Cawley asserts that Comte Thibaut & his second wife Richildis had two children, a son and a daughter.
- Richard is confirmed as the son of both Thibaud and Richilde by the donation of property in 980 to Saint-Martin de Tours for the souls of both Theobaldi and Richildis. [9] The document names Thibaut the son of Thibaut l'ancien, but does not contain a phrase in the text such as "matris sui" linking "Richildis" to "Theobaldi comitis" thereby suggesting that the younger Thibaut was the child of an earlier marriage.[1] Richard, who died in 969, was Archbishop of Bourges 956/57. [1]
- Unnamed daughter. [10].
- The unnamed daughter married first (ante 949/51) Alain II de Bretagne, Duke of Brittany (father: Mathedoi, Comte de Poher) and married second, after 952, Foulque II, Comte d'Anjou (920 - 11 Nov 958; p. Foulque I "le roux," Comte d'Anjou and Roscille de Loches).[10]The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Alanus dux" and "Theobaldum comitem Blesensem…sorore sua"[37]. Given the date of her marriage, and assuming that the estimated birth date of her brother Thibaut [II] is correct as shown above, it is probable that this daughter was born from her father's supposed second marriage. The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Blesensis…sororem suam relictam Alani Barbætortæ ducis" and "Fulconi comiti Andegavensi"[38]. m firstly (before [949/51]) as his second wife, ALAIN II Duke of Brittany, son of MATHEDOI [Matuedo] Comte de Poher & his wife --- de Bretagne (in Brittany [before 919]-952). m secondly (after 952) as his second wife, FOULQUES II Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscille de "Loches" ([920]-11 Nov 958). [1] The French Wikipedia gives the name of the daughter as Roscille. "Roscille, mariée en premières noces au duc Alain Barbetote de Bretagne, en secondes noces au comte Foulque II le Bon d'Anjou, mort en 958."[6]
Linked on WikiTree but not documented as children
- Gerlotte, born 895
Shown on Geni as children of Richilde without other documentation
- Earl Jean de Conterville [3]
- Earl Comyn; ... de Blois; J[3]
- Judith 'la noble' de Troyes, Mistress; [3]
Sources
- Geni. Richilde of Bourges, born c886. Dtr of Hugues II and Rothilde. Discussion and references are listed.
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Charles Cawley and Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#_ftnref32.
- ↑ Charles Cawley and Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database: [1]
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 3.7 3.8 Geni. Richilde of Bourges. Added by: "Skip" Bremer on June 11, 2007. Managed by: James Fred Patin, Jr. and 156 others. Curated by: Sharon Doubellhttps://www.geni.com/people/Richilde-of-Bourges/6000000003827237365. Accessed January 12, 2017
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 Charles Cawley and Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database: [2]
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 5.2 Genealogics - Leo van de Pas. http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020501&tree=LEO. Last modified 12 Dec 1996. Citing Lt. Col. W. H. Turton, The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975. (Note: this source is now considered very outdated, particularly for the Carolingian period in which Richilde lived. Accessed Jan 12, 2017.
- ↑ 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 6.6 Wikipedia - French. Thibaud l'Ancien Accessed January 10, 2017
- ↑ French Wikipedia, Thibaud l'Ancien. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thibaud_l%27Ancien.
- ↑ Stewart Baldwin. The Henry Project. Uploaded 10 January 2008. http://home.earthlink.net/~henryproject/hproject/prov/rothi000.htm Accessed January 13, 2017
- ↑ “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard), by charter dated to 980. Cited by Cawley
- ↑ 10.0 10.1 Charles Cawley and Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database: [3]
See also:
- Europäische Stammtafeln citing charter (980AD).
- Fiche de Richilde de Bourges sur généanet [archive]
- Pierre Riché, Les Carolingiens, une famille qui fit l'Europe, Paris, Hachette, coll. « Pluriel », 1983 (réimpr. 1997), 490 p. (ISBN 2-01-278851-3)
- Jean-Charles Volkmann, Bien connaître les généalogies des rois de France, Éditions Gisserot, 1999, 127 p. (ISBN 978-2-87747-208-1)
- Michel Mourre, Le Petit Mourre. Dictionnaire d'Histoire universelle, Éditions Bordas, avril 2007 (ISBN 978-2-04-732194-2)
- Jean Gouget - Thierry Le Hête, Les comtes de Blois et de Champagne et leur descendance agnatique
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by Thierry le Hête1 Foundations (2003) 1 (1): 3-4 © Copyright FMG Thibaud the Old, Viscount of Tours and Blois around 940, is indisputably the progenitor of the house of Blois. Among his descendants in the male line were the Counts of Champagne (1019-1305), King Stephen of England (d.1154), the Counts of Aumale and the Lords of Holderness (extinct in 1214), the Counts of Sancerre (extinct in 1419), the Lords of Sully (the youngest branches dying out at the beginning of the 17th century), and the Lords of Pontailler-sur-Saône (extinct at the end of the 17th century). The origin of Thibaud the Old puzzled several historians writing at the turn of the 20th century, for example Lot (1907) and Depoin (1908a). The problem was to distinguish between two Thibauds, because a Thibaud, Viscount of Tours, was mentioned during seven decades between 908 and 977, and died possibly as late as 983 an impossibly long active life-span. Historians such as Lesueur (1963), after extensive study, concluded that there were two Thibauds: Thibaud the Old, who certainly died c 942/43, and Thibaud le Tricheur (maybe best translated as the devious) who died in 977. . However, the subject of this note is not Thibaud the Old, but his wife Richilde (or Richildis). What were the origins of Richilde? For a long time, historians identified her as a daughter of Robert I, King of the Franks (b. c 860, ruled 922-923), the grandfather of Hugues Capet. More recently, with the help of onomastics, others have advanced a more attractive hypothesis: that Richilde was a daughter of Hugues II, Count of Bourges, by his wife Rothilde, herself daughter of Charles the Bald and Richilde (see, for instance, Bur 1977, pp.151-153, following Depoin, 1908b). This affiliation has, however, been effectively demolished by Settipani (1993, p.312, note 819). The most recent and persuasive proposition, however, is advanced by Keats-Rohan (2000)4 . She suggests (p.65) that Richilde was a daughter of Roger/Rodgar, Count of Maine (d.900) and of the Carolingian Rothilde, Abbess of Chelles in 920 (b. c 871, d.928/9)5 . This proposed affiliation is very attractive and interesting and leads me to put forward an hypothesis concerning the rise to power of the Thibaudians. In marrying Richilde, Thibaud the Old became a brother-in-law of Hugues the Great, Duke of the Franks (923-956), see Fig 1. Hugues the Great was of course the father of Hugues Capet, Duke of the Franks, then king (987-996). The first wife of Hugues the Great we do not know her name was also a daughter of Roger/Rodgar, Count of Maine. It is improbable, however, that the two men were brothers-in-law at the same time, or even within a short time: around 926 Hugues the Great married as his second wife Ealdhild, daughter of Edward, King of the West Saxons and de facto King of England (899-924). The family link to Hugues almost certainly allowed Thibaud the Old more readily to increase his powers in the territories near the Loire, around Tours and Blois and in the Berry6
1 Thierry le Hête is the author of: La Dynastie Capétienne (764-1998): Généalogie et Histoire. Condé-sur-Noireau (1998); Les Comtes Palatins de Bourgogne et leur Descendence Agnatique. Histoire et Genéalogie dune Dynastie sur Huit Siécles. Paris (1995). With Jean Gouget he is writing another genealogical study provisionally entitled Les comtes de Champagne et leur descendance agnatique (due to appear in 2003). Contact details: c/o FMG (see inside cover of this newsletter) 2 The latter date is provided by Devailly (1973, p.131). 3 These dates are contested by, among others, Le Jan (1995, p.450) and Devailly (1973). 4 See also Keats-Rohan (1997) for her table Suggested relationships of the Hugonide counts of Maine, p.194. 5 For Rothilde, daughter of Charles the Bald, see Settipani and Kerrebrouck (1993, p.312, in particular note 819). 6 For the Berry, see in particular Devailly (1973, pp.131-133).
References Bur, Michel (1977). La Formation du Comté de Champagne, v.950-v.1150. Publications de l'Université de Nancy II, Mémoires des Annales de L'Est, 54. Nancy. Depoin, Joseph (1908a). Thibaud le Tricheur fut-il bâtard et ou mourut-il presque centenaire? (Etudes préparatoires à lhistoire des familles palatines, III). Revue des Études Historiques, Paris, pp.553-602. Depoin, Joseph (1908b). La famille de Robert le Fort. (Etudes préparatoires à lhistoire des familles palatines, I). Revue des Études Historiques, Paris, pp.321-332. Devailly, Guy (1973). Le Berry du Xe siècle au milieu du XIII . Étude politique, religieuse, sociale et économique. École Pratique des Hautes Études Sorbonne VIe Section: Sciences Économiques et Sociales Centre de Recherches Historiques. Civilisations et Sociétés, 19. Paris. Keats-Rohan, K S B (2000). Bilichildis. Problèmes et possibilités dune étude de lonomastique et de la parenté de la France du nord-ouest. In: Keats-Rohan, K S B & Settipani, C (editors), Onomastique et Parenté dans lOccident Médiéval. (Prosopographica et Genealogica, 3), Oxford, pp.57-68. Keats-Rohan, Katherine S B (1997). Un vassal sans histoire?: Count Hugh II (c940/955-992) and the origins of the Angevin overlordship in Maine. In: Keats-Rohan, Katherine S B (editor), Family Trees and the Roots of Politics: the Prosopography of Britain and France from the Tenth to the Twelfth Century. Woodbridge, Suffolk, pp.189-210. Le Jan, Régine (1995). Famille et Pouvoir dans le Monde Franc (VII-X Siècle). Essai d'Anthropologie Sociale. Paris. Lesueur, Frédéric (1963). Thibaud le Tricheur, comte de Blois, de Tours et de Chartres au Xe siècle. Mémoires de la Société des Sciences et Lettres de Loir-et-Cher, 33. Blois. Lot, Ferdinand (1907). Lorigine de Thibaud le Tricheur, suivi dune réponse à M. labbé Pétel sur Aleran II, comte de Troyes. Le Moyen Age, (second series), 11. Settipani, Christian, & Kerrebrouck, Patrick van (1993). La Préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987. Première Partie: Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertins. Paris.
Source: "Onomastics and Kinship in the Medieval West", by Katharine Keats-Rohan & Christian Settipani: pp. 65 and 145.