Death: before 24 AUG 1328, [2] Bramber, Gower, Wales
Marriage
Elizabeth de Sully, daughter of Raymond de Sully, Knight, married before 24 April 1317 William de Brewes, Knight, 2nd Lord Brewes, Lord of Gower in Wales. [3]
Children
Elizabeth Sully had no children with William de Brewes - Alice (Aline) de Braose wife of John Mowbray, 2nd Lord Mowbray, was the child of William's first wife, Agnes Unknown. [4]
Sources
↑Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families vol I, page 320
↑Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families vol I, page 321
↑Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, vol I, page 320
↑Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families vol I, page 320-321
Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, (2011), Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), volume I, page 320-321
Sanders, English Baronies, p.49
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PMs - does anyone have a source that shows Elizabeth Sully as the mother of Aline (Alice) Braose who married John Mowbray?
Douglas Richardson in Magna Carta Ancestry shows that William and Elizabeth had no children, and shows Aline as the child of his first wife, Agnes Unknown.
We need consensus on whether Agnes should be connected as the mother of Alice/Aline, and Elizabeth disconnected as mother.
PS - I checked Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson this morning, as it has publishing date of 2013, as opposed to 2011 for Magna Carta Ancestry, and has most of the same profiles (and many more). Richardson updates any new finds or changes from MCA in RA, but the profile for William de Braose still shows no children with Elizabeth Sully. So, need other sources or?
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Douglas Richardson in Magna Carta Ancestry shows that William and Elizabeth had no children, and shows Aline as the child of his first wife, Agnes Unknown.
We need consensus on whether Agnes should be connected as the mother of Alice/Aline, and Elizabeth disconnected as mother.
PS - I checked Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson this morning, as it has publishing date of 2013, as opposed to 2011 for Magna Carta Ancestry, and has most of the same profiles (and many more). Richardson updates any new finds or changes from MCA in RA, but the profile for William de Braose still shows no children with Elizabeth Sully. So, need other sources or?