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John Stewart (abt. 1747 - 1794)

John Stewart aka Stuart
Born about in Scotlandmap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 47 in Aberdeen, Scotlandmap
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Biography

John Stewart is a member of Clan Stewart.

John was born about 1747. [citation needed] Confirmation was granted on John's estate on 4 Aug 1795 at Aberdeen Commissary Court. It gives his death as 15 Sep, 1794 . His wife Margaret Tower is executrix and signs with an X[1]

Research Notes

"The Prince came to Sir Hugh's home in early January 1746 where he first met Clementina, and he returned later that month to be nursed by her from what appears to have been a cold. Given that she was living under her uncle's protection, it is not thought the two were lovers at this time.

After the defeat of the Prince's rebellion at Culloden in April 1746, Charles fled Scotland for France. In 1752, he heard that Clementina was at Dunkirk and in some financial difficulties, so he sent 50 louis d'or to help her and then dispatched Sir Henry Goring to entreat her to come to Ghent and live with him as his mistress. By November 1752, Clementina was living with Charles, and was to remain as his mistress for the following eight years." From wikipedia:Clementina Walkinshaw

They had one daughter, "Charlotte Stuart, Duchess of Albany" who was recognized as his natural daughter but she had no right to succession.

This John Stewart could not have been the son of Charles Edward and Clementina Walkinshaw. It is possible he was his son through a different mistress, unsure what the autosomal DNA would prove or disprove in this case.

Parents

John Stewart was an Aberdeen Shipmaster [2] Note you need triangulation to be able to use autosomal DNA as proof.

Shipmaster

There is a John Stewart, Shipmaster and a John Rust mentioned in 1854-1856 way after his death in 1794"Scottish Post Office Directories - Aberdeen, page 87. They are both listed in a business district of Aberdeen john Stewart at 57 Regent Quay and John Rust on 21 - 22 Rose Street. John Stewart is listed as a Shipmaster and John Rust is listed as a Merchant. Regent Quay is located not very far from the Kirk of St, Nicholas and the present Aberdeen Maritime Museum. [3]

Engraving

I think this ENGRAVING (on right ) is likely John Stewart or Stuart (this profile) definitely NOT 1800’s but 1700’s. ( It was I think a Stolen identity taken and falsely used by the infamous John Sobieski Stuart brothers, false claimants of descent of Charles edward Stuart claiments, saying it was their John Sobieski Stuart or the so called false claimants grandfather, but their mistake was saying it was 1840's engraving ... I think not) , I have noticed and worked out from the engraving firstly a great family resemblance to my 2 x Great grandfather John Stuart Rust (his grandfather is this profile...John Stewart or Stuart I believe that ACTUAL person in the engraving)) 1: The engraving has him wearing Royal STUART star (Charles Edward Stuart's mothers Sobieski family jewellery) (that Bonnie prince Charlie wears! in all paintings of him, even since a child) 2: PLUS the cap has 5 eagles feathers …which means he’s head chief of clan (3 is sub chief) just learnt this  !! 3: PLUS he has a sword (NOT carried in 1830’s) Id say C.1775-1795 this engraving 4: certainly is and aristocrat with the Stuart jewels etc! 5: Plus other medals (Think I’ve seen the cross one also on B PR CH (so where did they get these jewels of B PR CH if this is not authentic!) 6: The Jacket does look like some sort of uniform Hes also got a Tartan cape/ or tartan pinned on his back / shoulder? Whatever that means 7: The ropes and other decorations surely mean decorations of office…would a Shipmaster (maybe in Royal Navy ) have these decorations? And what do they mean ? ( I wish we knew who in our family had/ has the (Royal) jewellery & 3 Minatures ( of Charles Edward Stuart / Bonnie Prince Charles ) and his wife and child ( that a family letter talking of our Charles edward Stuart descent mentions !) [4]

Death

He died September 15, 1794 in Aberdeen, Scotland. [5]

Sources

  1. Will or Testament: "Wills and Testaments," database, National Records of Scotland, Confirmation of will or testament of John Stewart at Aberdeen Commissary Court on 4 Aug 1795; citing Reference Number CC1/6/58.
  2. I (Jackie Stoddard) am John's 4x's Great grand daughter so Bonnie Prince Charles would have been my 5 X Great grandfather. The autosomal DNA test has proven descent--- we have family letters about the descent ... they family had (someone may still have) 3 minatures of Charles Edward Stuart and the "wife" he had the child with we cannot find his actual birth certificate (I worked it out on how old he was ( 47) when he died)
  3. Google Maps, Aberdeen, Scotland, UK
  4. (above by Jackie Stoddard )
  5. wills & Testament , Aberdeen Commissary court CC1/6/58

See also:

http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/42125756/person/20287342616

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posted by Allan Stuart
note Robbin Stewart , with the DNA test at top is only showing because he has DNA to Charles Edward Stuart's Father, James Stuart ;

Robbin and Charles and John Stewart , would all have some same DNA ; as would I , however Robbin is not descended from Charles Edward Stewart , nor John Stewart , but I am. I have tried numerous times to request Robbin to load onto and get a Gedmatch number so we can compare, but he says he doesn't know how , would someone please guide him through the process, I believe Robbin's had his Autosomal done too. also if Robbin could do an autosomal transfer to FTDNA would be helpful for the Royal Stewart project , and dna matches. if someone could assist it would be helpful

posted by Jackie Stoddard
You may want to review the following historical resources. History indicates that Charles Edward Stewart had only one child and heir that lived to maturity. Could that be the reason for lack of evidence in regards to John Stuart ?

The Descendants of Bonnie Prince Charlie (1720-1788)

Francis John Angus Skeet, The life and letters of H. R. H. Charlotte Stuart: duchess of Albany, only child of Charles III, king of Great Britain, Scotland, France and Ireland (1932), Francis John Angus Skeet, Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1932

John couldnt have been born in Scotland. In 1747 Charles and his mistress were taking refuge in France after his defeat at the Battle of Culloden on 16 April 1746.

posted by David Douglass
Good luck on your search. I have some 'walls" on my tree that Im trying to get over too. I've done the YDNA testing and I'm hopeful it will provide some clues. From the little I know about autosomal results they are only good for a few generations ? They can provide some matching for 5 - 6 generations I have read but I'm certainly not all that up on it. If I can be of any help let me know.
posted by David Douglass
if you look at my Jackie Stoddard autosomal DNA results above, its there; many of the DNA matches are royals, of course its hard to believe, because it was never delared. I'm also having my fullMTDNA test done now, there is a family letter, but I don't want to post it on here, and we were told often as children we were descended from Royalty, Bonnie Prince Charlie. there is reference to Charles Edward Stuart being undone , in his words "I've become undone",

when battle of Culloden happened any children were under threat so were not declared.

posted by Jackie Stoddard
Also see The Descendants of Bonnie Prince Charlie (1720-1788) Only two children are said to have been born to Charles, a son named Charles who died as an infant, and Charlotte, who had three children.

One of the sources you give in Charlotte's profile, Charlotte Stuart, Duchess of Albany also states that she was the only child of Charles to reach adulthood, and her three children were Charles only grandchildren. How did you determine that John is a son of Charles ?

posted by David Douglass
All the sources I have seen indicate that Charles Stewart and his mistress, Clementina Walkinshaw , had only one child, a daughter named Charlotte. Are there sources that indicate differently ?

See: Clementina Walkinshaw It says, "However, by November 1752, Clementina was living with Charles, and was to remain as his mistress for the following eight years. The couple moved to Liège where Charlotte, their only child, was born on 29 October 1753" It would be interesting to see the evidence that Charles had a son, John by Clementina.

posted by David Douglass

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