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Enguerrand (Ponthieu) de Ponthieu (bef. 1025 - 1053)

Enguerrand (Enguerrand II) "Count of Ponthieu" de Ponthieu formerly Ponthieu
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Died after age 28 in Arques, Normandiemap
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Biography

Enguerrand was born before 1025 (estimated in order to facilitate a timeline).

He married (as her first husband) ADELAIS de Normandie, illegitimate daughter of ROBERT II Duke of Normandy & his mistress --- (-[1081/86]). Robert de Torigny names "Aeliz" as the daughter of Duke Robert II "de alia concubina" from Herleve. The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum”. She retained the title Comtesse d'Aumâle after her first marriage.

Enguerrand was with Henry I of France and on October 25, 1053 was killed when the Normans feigned a retreat in which Enguerrand and his companions followed and were ambushed

Enguerrand and Adelais had three children: Guy (d. 1100), Adelaide, Helissende.

  • This is inconsistent with the Chronique de Saint Riquier which records that "comte Gui fils du comte Hugues" succeeded after "Angelran son frère" was killed by the Normans and possessed the county of Ponthieu and the avouerie of Saint-Riquier. [1]

As Enguerrand died without male issue, he was followed by his brother Guy I as Count of Ponthieu.


Per Project Medlands:[2]

  • The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum”. Comte de Montreuil. Orderic Vitalis records that “tempore Rodberti ducis Gislebertus comes Brionniæ” invaded “in pagum Vimmacensem” [Vimeu] but was repulsed by “Ingelrannus Pontivi comes”. Le Prévost dates this event to “antérieure à 1034, époque présumée de la fondation du Bec”. Seigneur d'Aumâle. Comte d’Abbeville: Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmum Archacensem” rebelled against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy, helped by Henri I King of France, and that “Ingelrannus Abbatisvillæ comes...ac Hugo cognomento Bardulfus” were killed by the duke’s forces during the attack on his castle of Arques.

Sources

  1. ↑ Chronique de l'abbaye de Saint-Riquier, IV.XXII, p. 250.
  2. ↑ Cawley, Charles. "Medieval Lands": A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families © by Charles Cawley, hosted by Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG). *See also: WikiTree's source page for MedLands.
  • Richardson, D. Royal Ancestry. Vol. I, 2013, p. 208-211.




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Athey-67 Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Isaac, a G2G post with your thoughts/comments would be helpful. Otherwise, I'm the only one that knows about your comment, and I don't have the answers or availability to research it. Thanks!
posted by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Isaac Taylor
Are we confident in these timelines and relationships? I'm concerned so many people in this extended family are missing birthdates. It worries me that we're deleting (or excluding) potentially-valuable data to make iffy relationship structures work. If you click up and down a few generations along the line to Guy I and the Hughs (Hugues, Hugo) I and II, reviewing the comments, you'll (hopefully) see what I mean.

Thoughts?

posted by Isaac Taylor
Athey-67 Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Alton entered that information. I'm not sure what he means by it. I would interpret to mean that he was killed in front of the chateau... According to Wikipedia, Enguerrand was with Henry I of France and on October 25, 1053 was killed when the Normans feigned a retreat in which Enguerrand and his companions followed and were ambushed...
posted by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Wood-6960 Robert Wood
Does anyone know what "slain before the Chateau d'Arques" means? Was there a battle? If not war, was he simply murdered?
posted by Robert Wood

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