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Rodney Nicholas

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Rodney A. Nicholas
Born 1950s.
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Biography

I am on 23andMe.com and my primary Gedmatch Kit is CD4872110.

My father is not here or in my Ancestry tree because my brother is writing a book about our Pop’s Peeps. Want to know more about my brother's book? Holler at me and I'll tell you.

On my mother’s side of the family, I'm a Black descendant of the White slave owning VA Andrews, VA Cherry, VA Godsey/Godfrey, VA Henderson, VA Lacy, VA Outlaw and VA Washington families as well as the affiliated families who married into my direct ancestral families. Many, if not all of my Black Cousins are also descendants/related to these families.

Apparently, many White slave owning men not only had children with their White wives, but they also had children with their Black female slaves. The proof of that are the DNA Matches between Blacks and Whites who have submitted their DNA to ancestry websites. How do you think they became Cousins?

I'd also like to offer a CAVEAT about DNA. If you and another Cousin have successfully documented that both of you are descendants of the same common ancestor, and both of you have taken DNA tests, but neither of you share DNA, that does not necessarily mean that one of you is "perpetrating a fraud" (that person is not an actual descendant of your family line).

Consider this. You do not share DNA because your common ancestor passed down different segments of the same chromosome to the both of you (you got the "tip" of the #2 chromosome while your Cousin got the middle of that same #2 chromosome), or your common ancestor passed down different chromosomes to the both of you (you got the #5 chromosome and your Cousin got the #18 chromosome).

To the DNA testing companies, you two appear to be unrelated because you do not share DNA. But you know you are related because both of you have successfully traced your lineage back to the same ancestor.

I hope this helps quell some of the disputes actual relatives have because they don't appear to share DNA, but their trees say they are Cousins.

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Hi Rodney

Just checking in with you to see how it is going, I hope you found the   https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:New_Member_How-To   and links useful. We want to help you learn about the site and the community, so if or when you have questions, ask in our G2G forum https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/  or click REPLY below this message, to ask me 

If you click your green tags it will show you member's who are also following that tag, if clicking the tag shows just your name then it may be circular and need to be done again.  Just use surnames or place names, no first names, you can have 20 tags. I notice you have no tags I would suggest you add one for your surname  

NICHOLAS

Also, add tags for your mother and grandmother's maiden surnames to widen the connections into the community   You can also add tags for locations or interests - explore the project link for these. I would suggest you add DNA as a tag to link to the DNA project.

Tags link you to the community sourcing & research options, to add more tags (you can have 20) go to  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:Following - You can find more information about tags here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tags 

Have a look and explore https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Projects  to see which project might be helpful for your research

Janet ~ Wikitree Messenger 

PS. Please avoid the use of abbreviations as they can mean different things in different countries, always use the full words  

Hi Janet. The WikiTree community has been very helpful and informative for me. They have made me "step up my (genealogy) game" (as the kids say)!

And thanks for the information about tags. I'm on it!

posted by Rodney Nicholas
Hi Rodney,

Thanks for taking the Pre-1700 Quiz!

Because pre-1700 ancestors are shared by many descendants, working with members of the projects which coordinate them is essential. You can learn more about joining the community in How To #3 and in the Project FAQ.

Use the Pre-1700 Projects list to find one which best fits your research focus. Review the project pages for special guidelines and to learn how to collaborate with the project members.

Let me know if you have trouble finding projects which fit your focus. Click my name, then ask in the comment section of my page.

Remember to cite reliable sources in pre-1700 profiles you manage or edit. (See: Pre-1700 Reliable Sources).

Please also review the information on Sources. We have a research tool that will make finding sources easier, I use it all the time. To give it a try, go to the Family Tree & Tools tab; select Genealogy Research, scroll down near the bottom of that list, and select Research with RootsSearch (use your WikiTree email & password). There are over 20 websites to access from there. You can read more about the tool in the RootSearch FAQ.


Laura ~ Pre-1700 Greeter

posted by Laura DeSpain
Hi Rodney,

You may already be aware of this, but upon reading your bio here, I was reminded of another thing to consider regarding DNA. The further back in time to the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) between ourselves and our cousins, is that an autosomal test only reaches back just so far. Probably no more than 8 generations. A Y-DNA test (for males) goes back thousands of years. And an Mt-DNA test would trace your mothers, mother's, mother's, mother, back thousands of years. Autosomal tests the DNA we inherit from both sides, but each generation, DNA is lost.

Welcome to Wikitree! Maybe we will discover that we are cousins. Actually, I believe we all are if we go back far enough.

Jan

posted by J. (Pearson) Salsbery
edited by J. (Pearson) Salsbery
Yeah, J. I'm already in the process of saving my "ducats" to send my DNA for Y-Chromosome and MtDNA analysis. Thanks for the info about the degradation of autosomal DNA over generations. I did not know that.
posted by Rodney Nicholas
Rodney,

DNA is lost in each generation as we do not inherit our parent's entire DNA, but only a randomized 50% from each parent. Because the number of our ancestors doubles each generation, we have ancestors who are in our paper tree, but from whom we don't inherit any DNA at all.

I also learned that just because multiples of my cousin matches claim to descend from the same ancestors, that isn't always proof of anything. Often they are just copying incorrect family trees from other people and from each other. I haven't yet figured out a solution, other than proving the assumptions with a paper trail.

Jan

posted by J. (Pearson) Salsbery
"Often they are just copying incorrect family trees from other people and from each other..."

Guilty As Charged... At least when I first started doing this research! But I "matured" over time.

My White DNA Matches and I descended from the "nobility" of Western Europe. Some of these ancestors were granted land by the King of England and/or they were wealthy, prominent, powerful, connected men in countries like England, France, Ireland and Scotland. Some were persecuted for their religious beliefs, but they were wealthy enough to flee Europe. They came to the new world and acquired hundreds, even thousands of acres of land. Consequently, some, if not most of these families are well documented in books and in publications like Historic Southern Families. For example, generations of my Outlaw family are well documented in Historical Southern Families, Vol XVI, Outlaw Family of Virginia.

So, for the White men who "colonized" America and had children by their White wives and by their Black female slaves, their "paper trail" is found in books, journals and research papers produced by universities, heritage societies and the like.

posted by Rodney Nicholas
So true! Many of my ancestors were some of those same type people, though not all of them were wealthy. Not all of them had slaves. Some came here as indentured servants. I find those books to be invaluable also.
posted by J. (Pearson) Salsbery
Thanks Jillaine! I look forward to becoming a very productive member of this community. I have used Wikitree as a resource on a regular basis probably when I began building my tree on Ancestry last year.

RE: The Powhatans, I had found this Find A Grave memorial for Susannah Swann (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/42781853/susannah-swann) when I first traced my ancestry from my 3rd Great Grandmother Phoebe Overton to the Carrs to the Cornelius Dabney's marriage to Susannah. I was not sure why Susannah's last name was Swann, when the Find A Grave memorial has her parents as Toby West and Cockacoeske.

Based on the articles you've referenced, it looks like that Find A Grave memorial also has incorrect information about Susannah and Cockacoeske.

posted by Rodney Nicholas
Yeah... Find-a-Grave memorials-- like any user-contributed site-- are only as reliable as the sources they cite. What sets WikiTree apart is that it requires sources-- and the further back in time we go, the higher the expectations about the quality of those sources. You will find profiles here on wikitree that are weak in sources-- in its early years, the site was not so demanding; one role of projects here at wikitree is to organize volunteers around shared areas of interest to improve profiles. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Projects
posted by Jillaine Smith
Hi, Rodney! You are now a Family Member! :) I hope you enjoy this site as much as I do, as it is a lot of fun and there are tons of great people collaborating.

First, make sure you check out our New Member How-To pages. They will save you time learning our system: Member How-To pages.

Thank you for adding your DNA to WikiTree. Getting the Best from DNA will tell you more about how DNA kits are used on WikiTree.

Let me know if you have any questions. I'm here to help!

See you in the branches!

Laura ~ WikiTree Greeter 🙂

PS: Please feel free to post in our G2G forum and introduce yourself.

posted by Laura DeSpain
Welcome!

This is just a note to say hi and to let you know that I'm available to answer questions about joining WikiTree.

To contact me, log in to WikiTree and go to your profile. Use the ‘Reply’ link below my comment to be sure that I will be notified. You can also click my name to send a private message, or post a comment on my profile page.

Cheryl ~ WikiTree Greeter

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