Idoine (Leybourne) de Say (abt. 1281 - aft. 1337)

Born about 1281 in Malling, Kent, England

Ancestors

Wife of Geoffrey (Say) de Say — married before 1305 in England [uncertain]

Descendants

Died after 14 Nov 1337 after about age 56 in Kent, England

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Biography

Idoine, daughter of William de Leybourne, Knt., Lord Leybourne,^[1] by Juliane, daughter and heiress of Henry de Sandwich, Knt.^[2]

On December 28, 1295 (grant of marriage), Idoine de Leybourne married Geoffrey de Say, Knt., 1st Lord Say (born about 1279-81; aged 14 or 16 in 1295).^[2] Geoffrey was the son and heir of William de Say, Knt., by his wife Elizabeth (maiden name unknown).^[2]

Idoine and Geoffrey had three sons and three daughters:^[2]

1. Geoffrey de Say, Knt., 2nd Lord Say, born April 30, 1305, married Maud de Beauchamp^[2]
2. Roger de Say, Knt.^[2]
3. Ralph de Say^[2]

1. Katherine de Say, married before Nov. 10, 1320, John de Saint John, Knt.
2. Juliane de Say, married Roger de Northwode, Knt.^[2]
3. Isabel (or Elizabeth) de Say, married before April 5, 1336, John de Chaumpaign (or Chaumpayne)^[2]

Sir Geoffrey de Say died shortly before March 3, 1321/2. Idoine was living Nov. 14, 1337.^[2]

Property

Manor of Saye's Court

"William his son succeeded him, and died anno 56 Henry III. holding this manor in capite by barony, and the repair of a house in Dover-castle, called, from its possessors, Saye's-tower. (fn. 10) His son of the same name, accounted at the Exchequer for twenty-seven fees of the honour of Magminot; that is, twenty-six of the old feoffment and one of the new, which shews the large extent of his possessions. He died anno 23 king Edward I. possessed of this manor, leaving Geoffrey his son and heir, (fn. 11) who married Idonea, daughter of William de Leyborne (who survived him) and died possessed of it, in the 15th of king Edward II. leaving Geoffrey de Saye, his son, who, in the 8th of king Edward III. obtained the king's charter for free warren for all his demean lands in his lordships of Greenwich, Deptford, &c. with the view of frankpledge and other privileges, and died in the 33d year of it, leaving William his son and heir, and Maud his wife, surviving, (daughter of Guy de Beauchamp, earl of Warwick) and three daughters, who afterwards became their brother's heirs, as will be further mentioned."^[3]

Sawbridgeworth Manor

"Geoffrey de Say, his son, was summoned to Parliament as Lord Say from 1313. In 1306 he obtained a renewal of the Friday market granted in 1223 and a grant of a yearly fair on the vigil and feast of the Nativity of the Virgin Mary (8 September). (fn. 26) He died in 1322 (fn. 27); his wife Idonia survived him and received a grant of the manor for life from her son Geoffrey. (fn. 28) Geoffrey the younger died in 1359 (fn. 29) and was succeeded by his son William de Say. The extent of the manor taken at his death in 1375 gives a messuage with garden, 500 acres of arable land, 15 acres of meadow, 20 acres of pasture and 100 acres of wood. The rents from customary tenants included 1 lb. of wax and 3 gross of arrows. (fn. 30) John son and heir of William died a minor in 1382. (fn. 31) The manor passed to his sister Elizabeth, who made a settlement on herself and her first husband, Sir John de Falwesle, in 1388, (fn. 32) and on herself and second husband, Sir William Heron, in 1396. (fn. 33)"^[4]

Sources

1. ↑ Richardson, Douglas, "Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families", Salt Lake City: the author, 2013 Vol. III, p. 101 GRANDISON #4
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.9} Richardson, Douglas, "Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families", Salt Lake City: the author, 2013 Vol. IV, pp. 568-9 SAY #9 Geoffrey de Say
3. ↑ Edward Hasted, 'Parishes: Deptford,' in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent: Volume 1 (Canterbury: W Bristow, 1797), 340-371, accessed March 12, 2016, [1]
4. ↑ 'Parishes: Sawbridgeworth', in A History of the County of Hertford: Volume 3, ed. William Page (London, 1912), pp. 332-347 [2]