William Huntington migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). Join: Puritan Great Migration Project Discuss: pgm
Disputed Origins
Several authors have suggested that William may be related to the Great Migration immigrant Simon Huntington Sr (died 1633). Theories include that William is a younger brother or an unrecorded son of Simon. Examples of such speculation may be found in The Huntington Family in America[1] (which however relies on Gustav Anjou's discredited work), A Genealogical Memoir of the Huntington Family in This Country[2], and Genealogical and Family History of the State of New Hampshire[3].
However, there is no documentary evidence of any relationship between William and Simon. William isn't shown in Anderson's Great MIgration as a son or any other relative of Simon. Furthermore, the first names appearing in the two families are not similar.[4]
Biography
William was presumably born in England around 1617, as estimated from the birth of his oldest known child. There is no record of William's emigration but it must have been between 1633 when the earliest Salisbury residents sailed and 1642 just before he was married. William was an early settler of Salisbury, Massachusetts Colony,[5] where his children were born beginning August 1643.[6] His wife was Joan/Joanna Bailey.[7] The Huntington Memoir gives a detailed account of William's life, including a more complete history of his children.[2]
Salisbury split in 1666, forming Amesbury. William died in Amesbury[11] probably before 1689.[2][12]
Sources
↑ from The Huntington Family in America: A Genealogical Memoir of the Known Descendants of Simon Huntington from 1633 to 1915, Including Those who Have Retained the Family Name, and Many Bearing Other Surnames, Huntington Family Association, Samuel Huntington, Richard Thomas Huntington; Huntington family association, 1915; p. 15; https://books.google.com/books?id=Yl9VAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15#v=onepage&q&f=false
↑ 2.02.12.2 A genealogical memoir of the Huntington family in this country: embracing all the known descendants of Simon and Margaret Huntington, who have retained the family name, by Rev. E. B. Huntington, A. M., published: Stamford, Conn., by the author, 1863; p. 61; https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89066169368;view=1up;seq=73 this is an earlier version of the family work.
↑ Stearns, Ezra S. Genealogical and Family History of the State of New Hampshire (Lewis Publishing Company, 1908) Vol. 2, Page 865
↑ Stott, Clifford L., "John Bayly of Bromham, Wiltshire, and Essex County, Massachusetts", The American Genealogist, 77:241-7 (2002); transcription here.
↑ "Massachusetts Births and Christenings, 1639-1915," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FC3K-981 : 10 February 2018), William Huntington in entry for John Huntington, Aug 1643; citing Salisbury, Essex, Massachusetts, Book 1, page 3; FHL microfilm 890,246.
↑ "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FHRS-5QK : 4 November 2017), Wm. Huntington in entry for James Huntington, 05 Dec 1646; citing Death, Amesbury, Essex, Massachusetts, United States, , town clerk offices, Massachusetts; FHL microfilm 893,105.
↑ "Massachusetts Births and Christenings, 1639-1915," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZ84-3LR : 10 February 2018), William Huntington in entry for Mary Huntington, 08 Jul 1648; citing SALISBURY,ESSEX,MASSACHUSETTS, ; FHL microfilm 845,110.
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Profile managers and other interested parties: There are no sources that show that William Huntington arrived in New England by 1640. As such, he does not fall under the auspices of the PGM project.
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I have taken the liberty of updating the Disputed Origins section. I hope the new text is acceptable. I also removed Margaret as mother, but it would not allow me to remove Simon as father.
The marriage should be changed to about 1642, I think. There were no Huntington births before John in August 1643 from all the sources I have seen.
Is there anything to support Wililiam's birth year shown? Based on a marriage in 1642, his birth could probably be around 1617, which would still make him 5 years older than Joanna.
Is there a reliable source of his marriage date and place?
Also the disputed origins section text appears to be repeated in the bio section. Perhaps a briefer account can be shown in Disputed Origins, and more of the detail in the bio proper.
From the sources I've looked at, there is no record of his existence before he is found in Salisbury/Amesbury in the early 1640s. So no, no immigration. I suppose it's inferred he'd too old to not be an immigrant.
I have found "The Old Families of Salisbury and Amesbury" and attached the citation that uses John Huntington's birth date as the latest date for William and Joanna's marriage. The Birth of John is the oldest record I could find that refers to William Huntington and his wife Joanna. It is likely he came over with the Bailey's who are known to have arrived before 1640 but he is not listed with them in the initial 1640 list of Salisbury settlers. I do not think he came over with the Norwich Huntington's.
I looked at the book, and I did not see a source cited. Since William's mother being Margaret is pretty well disproven, the information is apparently not reliable.
I think many of these claims about William should be removed.
First, to call Margaret being his mother "uncertain" is very generous. The letter from her brother listing her children but not William is taken as strong evidence she was not his mother; e.g., see the HFA book, page 15. Anderson in the Great Migration Begins (page 1046) also notes the "squeezed" chronology to accommodate her known children. So unless "uncertain" means "not completely impossible", she should be disconnected.
Second, as for Simon being his father, this has never been more than a guess. For example, the quote above attributed to a "previous Wiki writer", in fact copied from the same HFA book page, argues only that since he was 44 when marrying Margaret, he may have had a previous marriage with children. For one, this age is derived from Gustav Anjou's debunked forgery, but if Joseph Huntington's letter (excerpted here) is believed, he was nearly 50 in 1633 and thus nearly 40 when he married in 1623. (For some reason Anderson takes no account of this letter.) So there is probably plenty of room for an earlier marriage, but this is not proof that there was one, much less that William was a son from it.
So far as I can discern, there is nothing at all connecting William to Simon other than their shared surname. Also, there is onomastic evidence against: as noted by Hoyt, "the names Christopher and Simon do not occur among [William's] descendants." So, I think "uncertain" is also generous here, more like "possible but pretty unlikely".
(Y chromosome tests might answer whether there is any link at all between William and Simon, but so far there has been little Huntington DNA testing.)
As for being born 1615 in Norwich, again I don't believe we have any information about his life in England, let alone where and when he was born. I assume this was an estimate placing him as Simon's son (but not Margaret's, since it pre-dates their marriage).
I realize it's more fun to have everyone connected up rather than a bunch of "unknown" blanks, but I think the latter is preferable to faulty information.
I agree, the info, or lack of info about William's Parents needs to be summarized. Also I have evidence of his life and children in Salisbury and Amesbury MA which I will be adding. This evidence establishes that William lived a long way from the rest of the Huntington's in America and leads to the idea that he is perhaps not a member of Simon Huntington's Family.
... answering my own question: text appears to come straight from the book, The Huntington Family in America, Huntington Family Association, Samuel Huntington, Richard Thomas Huntington; Huntington family association, 1915. I will add that as a ref source for the moment but this needs a full rewrite as a digest of the book's commentary.
Inline citation added. Currently have my hands full with his Goldsmith in-laws so this is all I have time for at the moment. Question: is this text (of the "Note") original??
Huntington-753 and Huntington-440 appear to represent the same person because: Huntington-753 represents the same person as Huntington-440. The history book source adds a little to the background information about the Huntington s
I agree that Huntington-753 is the Same person as Huntington-440. I have read over the source cited for 753 and the information matches what is presented here
Huntington-440 and Huntington-753 appear to represent the same person because: 753 is unsourced. Use data in 440, including speculative father but detach mother. See narrative of 440 for explanation. Thank you.
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Does anyone have any comments to be considered related to removing him from the project?
Is there anything to support Wililiam's birth year shown? Based on a marriage in 1642, his birth could probably be around 1617, which would still make him 5 years older than Joanna.
Also the disputed origins section text appears to be repeated in the bio section. Perhaps a briefer account can be shown in Disputed Origins, and more of the detail in the bio proper.
First, to call Margaret being his mother "uncertain" is very generous. The letter from her brother listing her children but not William is taken as strong evidence she was not his mother; e.g., see the HFA book, page 15. Anderson in the Great Migration Begins (page 1046) also notes the "squeezed" chronology to accommodate her known children. So unless "uncertain" means "not completely impossible", she should be disconnected.
Second, as for Simon being his father, this has never been more than a guess. For example, the quote above attributed to a "previous Wiki writer", in fact copied from the same HFA book page, argues only that since he was 44 when marrying Margaret, he may have had a previous marriage with children. For one, this age is derived from Gustav Anjou's debunked forgery, but if Joseph Huntington's letter (excerpted here) is believed, he was nearly 50 in 1633 and thus nearly 40 when he married in 1623. (For some reason Anderson takes no account of this letter.) So there is probably plenty of room for an earlier marriage, but this is not proof that there was one, much less that William was a son from it.
So far as I can discern, there is nothing at all connecting William to Simon other than their shared surname. Also, there is onomastic evidence against: as noted by Hoyt, "the names Christopher and Simon do not occur among [William's] descendants." So, I think "uncertain" is also generous here, more like "possible but pretty unlikely".
(Y chromosome tests might answer whether there is any link at all between William and Simon, but so far there has been little Huntington DNA testing.)
As for being born 1615 in Norwich, again I don't believe we have any information about his life in England, let alone where and when he was born. I assume this was an estimate placing him as Simon's son (but not Margaret's, since it pre-dates their marriage).
I realize it's more fun to have everyone connected up rather than a bunch of "unknown" blanks, but I think the latter is preferable to faulty information.
edited by G. Huntington
The "see also" source is from the merged profile: Huntington-753.