- DCB/DBC - Dictionary of Canadian Biography / Dictionnaire Biographique du Canada, University of Toronto/Université de Laval, 2003–Present
- Fichier Origine - Répertoire informatisé de la Fédération québécoise des sociétés de généalogie en partenariat avec la Fédération française de généalogie
- PREFEN - Programme de Recherche sur l'Émigration des Français En Nouvelle-France, Université de Caen
Bibliographie / Bibliography
- Bizier, Hélène-Andrée, Lacoursière, Jacques; « Nos Racines : chapitre 46 à 60 », chap. 54, p. image 215, « Les Guyon, Dion et Yon», ISSN 0226-7756
Eustache would actually be named Jacques Huet, married to Madeleine Avrard, they had a son named Eustache baptized 9 Sept 1601 in St-Jean-de-Mortgagne
Prefen noticeDanielle Liard (Note: Prefen no longer accessible, program terminated. Link provided is to Wayback Machine)
↑ 2.02.1 Il n'est pas connu où Marie Huet est née mais il est plausible qu'elle soit née en France
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It is not known where Marie Huet was born but it is plausible to assume that she was born in France.
↑ 3.03.13.23.3PREFEN 8124, Notice Complémentaire, p. 1: « Jean Guyon est le fils de Jacques et Marie Huet dont la trace la plus ancienne est une donation mutuelle au dernier vivant datée du 15 avril 1583.
Les registres paroissiaux de l’église Saint-Aubin de Tourouvre dans le Perche débutent le 16 juillet 1588. . . . Jacques Guyon, père de Jean, est nommé parmi les notables de la ville le 21 novembre 1604. Sa veuve Marie Huet décède le 26 février
1626 à Mortagne (elle n’est pas nommée dans l’acte). »
Étant donné la mention ci-haut concernant la donation mutuelle, dont la date est en conflit avec la date de mariage du Fichier Origine, il faut se demander si la date de mariage de Jacques Guyon et Marie Huet a eu lieu avant le 15 avril 1583 et si l'acte religieux pour ce mariage n'existe pas.
↑ 6.06.1 Mortagne est aujourd'hui connu comme la commune française de Mortagne-au-Perche (INSEE 61016) sltuée dans l'arrondissement de Mortagne-au-Perche du département de l'Orne en région Normandie.
Mortagne is now known as the French commune of Mortagne-au-Perche (INSEE 61016) located in Mortagne-au-Perche arrondissement,Orne département and Normandie région.
Généalogie Québec 4040 site de François Marchi Source peu fiable, toutes ses sources sont des courriels invérifiables. Not trustworthy source, all his sources are unverifiable e-mails.
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wow! Claude, does this mean that all the facts in the datafields & bio(s) are supported? Could you note which sources support which facts? If I recall, you had said that only Fichier Origine was a reliable source, and while that is given as a source for marriage & burial, her parents and son appear to be without any source at all. Could you clarify which facts are supported and which aren't? In other words, what support is there that she
is the daughter of Guillaume Eustache Huet & Madeleine Agnès Avrard
was born in France
was the mother of Jacque Guyon
Previously you had said nothing in this profile was supported, but now you're saying it all is?
Thanks for your work & for clarifying what it means.
Claude - your comments make disparaging remarks about various sources, but I need to spend some time studying them to figure out which sources you were referring to/which facts, because when I look at the bio now, I see nothing that indicates that any of the information is not reliable. My previous comment was that we needed to source the information & that I thought the presentation of info in the French section would fa facilitate that better. And in response, you totally redid the French section to match the English version. Yes, the biography is now very clean and pretty. Makes it appear that everything is in order with this profile. But according to you, none of the information is reliable.
Or when you rewrote everything, did you also find reliable sources?
It defies logic to think that French and English Bio sections should not ideally eventually be reflections of each other. Everybody is free to add entries to Biblio section as long as it can be identified that tertiary sources are unreliable. What is wrong with a nice clean standardized style? Does that mean that we prefer a poor disorganized mumbo-jumbo non-style without chronology?
oh. and now the French section looks the same as the English, so neither section is very friendly for collaborating on getting good sources in order to genealogically define this profile.
IF the WikiTree connections are correct, Marie is my 11x-gr-grandmother, and I would very much prefer that information on her profile be presented in a way that clearly shows what information needs better sources (all of it, if I understand Claude's comments correctly) rather than a nice clean "standardized" Wikipedia-style narrative of information that may or may not be correct (but you can't really tell by looking).
So... I'll put this on my "Winter to-do list" to see about adding another section that will promote collaboration in the search for good sources.
Just a comment on the previous comment. I don't quite understand the problem as relates to this profile. Claude, perhaps a G2G discussion would be better? WikiTree is not Wikipedia. Wikipedia is billed as "the free encyclopedia" & encyclopedias are traditionally composed of articles. WikiTree, "where genealogists collaborate", allows a lot of leeway on presenting information & this profile appears to me to meet WikiTree's Styles and Standards. And considering the information available, I think the French version is a better presentation for collaboration, although parents/birth need source citations. Once the profile is Genealogically Defined, we can work on crafting a biography that is more of a conversational narrative.
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See PREFEN 8124, Notice Complémentaire, p. 1:
"Originaire de Mortagne (auj. Mortagne-au-Perche), Mathurine Robin serait la fille dEustache et de Madeleine Avrard, selon René Jetté."
I'm sorry, I still don't undestand where that particular information comes from. Thank you.
Previously you had said nothing in this profile was supported, but now you're saying it all is?
Thanks for your work & for clarifying what it means.
Or when you rewrote everything, did you also find reliable sources?
IF the WikiTree connections are correct, Marie is my 11x-gr-grandmother, and I would very much prefer that information on her profile be presented in a way that clearly shows what information needs better sources (all of it, if I understand Claude's comments correctly) rather than a nice clean "standardized" Wikipedia-style narrative of information that may or may not be correct (but you can't really tell by looking).
So... I'll put this on my "Winter to-do list" to see about adding another section that will promote collaboration in the search for good sources.
Cheers, Liz