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Marriage Willem With and En Foller , 11 February 1612, Leiden
't Ie den 28.1.1612 't IIe den 4.2.1612 't IIIe den 11 Februari 1612 zyn getrout voor Jasper van Banchem ende Willem Cornelisz Tybault schepenen dezen XVIen February 1612. Aenget. den XXVIIen Jary 1612 Willem With wolcammer jongman uyt Engelant vergeselschapt met Willem Jobsen ende Samuel Folle zyn bekende met En Foller jongedochter mede uyt Engelandt vergeselschapt met Rosemen Jepson ende Sara Pryst haer bekenden.[4][2]
Translation: 1612, February 11 Marriage certificate of William White (M), bachelor, woolcomber from England, and Ann (Susanna) Fuller (M), young daughter, also from England, with William Jepson and Samuel Fuller, acquaintances of the groom, and Rosamond Jepson (nee Horsfield) and Sarah Priest (nee Allerton, ALJ), acquaintances of the bride, as witnesses.[5][6]
Note: According the other theory, this Ann and Susanna Unknown were one and the same person as well as husband William White, according that theory, she in 1621 after the death of her husband William White, married Edward Winslow
Church records Leiden
An Anna Foller (Fuller) is mentioned as witness of the bride at the marriage 4 December, 1610 in Leiden of William Pontus and Wijbre Hanson Witn. groom- Getuigen bruidegom: Willem Bruyster (William Brewster) acq.- bekende - Rogier Wilson (Roger Wilson) acq.-bekende - Eduart Sutwaert (Edward Southworth) aqc.- bekende Witn. bride-Getuigen bruid: Janneken Wit (Jane White) acq. bekende - Anna Foller (Anna Fuller) acq. bekende - Mary Botlaer acq. bekende [9]
An Anna Fuller is mentioned as witness of the bride at the marriage of Isaack Allerton and Marie Norris on 7 October, 1611 in Leiden [10]
Notarial deed
38 machtiging 18 June 1635 Notaris: Jacobus Delphius Standplaats: Rotterdam Inhoud: Anna Wheit, weduwe van Willem Wheit, wonend te Leyden, machtigt Samuel Lea, wonend te Leyden, om vorderingen te innen die zij tegoed heeft van verschillende personen in en buiten Leyden. N.B.: Anna Wheit tekent als Ann White. [11] translation: Anna Wheit, widow of Willem Wheit, living in Leyden, authorizes Samuel Lea, living in Leyden, to collect claims that she has from various persons in and outside Leyden. Note: Anna Wheit signs as Ann White.
↑ 2.02.1 Place-Plaats: Leiden Date marriage int-Datum ondertrouw 27-01-1612 Source: Bron: Schepenhuwelijken (1592-1795)
Groom-Bruidegom: Willem With Place of Birth-Plaats geboorte: Engelant
Occupation-: Beroep: wolkammer Bride- Bruid: En (Ann, Susanna) Foller
Place of Birth-Plaats geboorte: Engelant Source- Bron: Archiefnr 1004
Archiefnaam Schepenhuwelijken (1592-1795) Inventarisnummer: 198
Folio: B - 008 Remarks-Opmerkingen: Witnesses Groom: Getuigen bruidegom: Willem Jobse bekende - Samuel Folle bekende - Witnesses Bride- Getuigen bruid: Rosenne Jepson bekende - Sara Pryst bekende - Tammel: Maiden names witnesses bride-meisjesnamen getuigen bruid resp: Horsfield en Allerton from: Erfgoed Leiden en omstreken Leiden archief
↑ Source: #S-2101971659 Note: Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 1599 Birth place: Droitwich, Worcs, England Death date: 1 Oct 1680 Death place: APID: 1,7249::10778868
↑ Datum1612, 11 februari . Names-Namen: White, William, Fuller, White, Ann (Suzanna), Jepson, William, Fuller, Samuel, Jepson, Rosamond, Horsfield, Rosamond, Priest, Sarah, Banchem, Jasper van, Thybault, Willem Cornelisz. Place: Leiden Source-Bron Register van huwelijken voor schepenen . Transcript- Beschrijving: Huwelijksakte van William White(M), jongeman, wolkammer uit Engeland, met Ann (Suzanna) Fuller (M), jongedochter, ook uit Engeland, met William Jepson en Samuel Fuller, bekenden van de bruidegom, en Rosamond Jepson (geboren Horsfield) en Sarah Priest (geboren Allerton, ALJ), bekenden van de bruid, als getuigen. Source: The Pilgrim Archives
↑Pigrim Archives Note that the names also somehow were translated, Suzanna originally was Susanna) and Fuller was Foller
↑ Since the Leiden Pilgrim archive due to maintance is offline, here most info, sources/records from it can be found as well : Leyden documents relating to the Pilgrim fathers, permission to reside at Leyden and betrothal records : together with parallel documents from the Amsterdam archives Author: Plooij, Daniel, 1877-1935; Harris, J. Rendel (James Rendel), 1852-1941; Netherlands America Institute
Leidse documenten in verband met de Pelgrim vaders
↑ Source: #S-2097592983 Page: Source number: 3758.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: JJK. Note: Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 1592 Birth place: En Marriage date: 1612 Marriage place: Ho APID: 1,7836::1316446
↑ Source: #S-2097592983 Page: Source number: 2401.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: LSS. Note: Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 1591 Birth place: Marriage date: 1612 Marriage place: Ho APID: 1,7836::1316445
↑ Source: Ergoed Leiden en omstreken- Bron: Archiefnr: 1004 Archiefnaam: Marriage 1610 Leiden Schepenhuwelijken (1592-1795) Inventarisnummer: 197 Folio: A - 162v
↑ Marriage place-Plaats: Leiden Banns posted-Datum ondertrouw : 07-10-1611 Bruidegom: Ysaack Allerton Place of Birth-Plaats geboorte: Londen Bride-Bruid: Marie Norris Place of Birth-Plaats geboorte: Nubere, GB Remarks-Opmerkingen: witnesses groom-Getuigen bruidegom: Edward Southward aq.-bekende - Richard Masterson aq-bekende -Ranulph Thickensz bekende witnesses bride- Getuigen bruid: Anna Fuller aq-bekende - Dillen Carpentier aq-bekende * Source-Bron: Erfgoed Leiden en omstreken, Archiefnr: 1004 Archiefnaam: Schepenhuwelijken (1592-1795)First marriage 4 november 1611 banns 7-10-1611 Leiden
↑ Stadsarchief Rotterdam Notarial deed 18 June 1635 Datering: 18-jun-1635 Aktesoort: machtiging Aktenummer: 38 Bladzijden: 58 t/m 59 Akteplaats: Rotterdam Toegangsnummer: 18 Archieven van de Notarissen te Rotterdam en daarin opgegane gemeenten (ONA) Inventarisnummer: 380
Source: S-2099015200 Repository: R-2142878651 Title: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Author: Gale Research Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2009.Original data - Filby, P. William, ed.. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2009.Original data: Filby, P. William, ed.. Passe Note: APID: 1,7486::0
Notes from merged duplicate Hopkins-465 who was created as wife of Edward Fuller, but had all dates and data from in fact his sister Ann Fuller, Not the wife of Edward Fuller who sailed on the Mayflower. 3/29/2012: removed spouse Edward Fuller-13 and his sons, Mathew Fuller-117 and Samuel Fuller-48. 12 Jan 2017 at 02:30 GMT Tish Bucher wrote: The female baptized 1575 in Redenhall, Norfolk, England was Ann Fuller., She was sister of Edward and Samuel Fuller on the Mayflower. She wasn't married to her brother Edward Fuller.
Acknowledgments
Thank you to Karen Johnson for creating WikiTree profile Fuller-2700 through the import of Karen Parkins Family Tree (1).ged on Apr 11, 2013.
Removed the info that was for Susanna Fuller and merged duplicate Ann Fuller profiles now. This Anna (Ann, Enn) Fuller was a sister of Samuel Fuller according all info, and it is possible their parents are not correct so that still needs more research. This is why the notes and uncertain parents templates were added to the Samuel and Anna Fulller Profiles . Anna somehow was disconnected from the family so now she is re-attached.
Greets from the Netherlands and see for all info 'the Case against Susanna Fuller' from Joe (the link is added to the note),
There is material in this profile which is speculative. There is a transcript of the baptismal records of Redenhall, Norfork with the baptism of Anna Fuller (Parents and or sponsors) not mentioned. this Anna would have been far too old to be the mother of the Winslow children. This article tends to contradict the conclusions drawn in this profile.
The transcript is found in an NEHGR article. That NEHGR Volume is now on line (Google Books / Archive.org.)
Hopkins-465 and Fuller-2700 appear to represent the same person because: Hi,
It looks like the Hopkins-465 profile is a duplicate of Susanna Fuller, sister of Edward and Samuel Fuller. Things all are corrected now so these can be merged without problems I guess?
Samuel was a witness at her marriage to William White. Further when Samuel married Alice it was made clear that William White was there and was declared the brother on law of Samuel Fuller.
Thanks, Bea. I think her name should be Ann Fuller, with CLN White and no Susanna or Winslow in her name fields. The data fields should only reflect what is documented about her (remove death info also). Theories (and links) should be in narrative-- hers as well as in narratives of Mayflower passenger Wm White, and Susanna Unknown White Winslow. Her link as daughter of Robert Fuller of Redenhall should be-- at best-- marked as uncertain, but IMHO be detached and she should have her own "Disputed Origins" section making the link in the narrative. Joe's analysis really questions that the Fullers of Leiden were the children of Robert Fuller of Redenhall. I will edit my "conclusion" in g2g as I no longer conclude that. Yes, there should be a profile for Wm White/Witt, Leiden woolcomber. Thnx.
The G2G discussion is added to the template, and this is solved in a way, as it also was solved for the Adam Brouwer/Berckhoven controversy to prevent people again are going to create or attache new duplicates, this way it's clear for everyone and leaves both options open because as you also concluded in that G2G....
Conclusion: there's as much evidence for the possibility that she WAS Ann Fuller, brother (sister of) Samuel Fuller and possible daughter of Robert Fuller as there is against it. Yikes.
But..if you prefer we can disconnect them all now and create a new profile for her husband William White (the woolcomber) for her ? And make sure to leave them all linked or connected to each other somehow with name links added to their Bio's or something to make sure no duplicates are created again ?
Greets hope it helps and have a wonderful weekend,
What happened to the g2g discussion that had been associated with this profile? (Found it and re-attached it-- see above; it got lost in a merge.) Its conclusion (with support of Mayflower project lead Becky Sypher) is that she should be Susannah Unknown, not that we have two profiles attached to William White & Edward Winslow. Also, Bea, I don't see any comments from you in that thread, and I could have sworn you participated in that discussion-- is there *another* g2g thread about this topic?
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Removed the info that was for Susanna Fuller and merged duplicate Ann Fuller profiles now. This Anna (Ann, Enn) Fuller was a sister of Samuel Fuller according all info, and it is possible their parents are not correct so that still needs more research. This is why the notes and uncertain parents templates were added to the Samuel and Anna Fulller Profiles . Anna somehow was disconnected from the family so now she is re-attached.
Greets from the Netherlands and see for all info 'the Case against Susanna Fuller' from Joe (the link is added to the note),
Bea :)
The transcript is found in an NEHGR article. That NEHGR Volume is now on line (Google Books / Archive.org.)
It looks like the Hopkins-465 profile is a duplicate of Susanna Fuller, sister of Edward and Samuel Fuller. Things all are corrected now so these can be merged without problems I guess?
Greets from the Netherlands,
Bea :)
Greets from the Netherlands and hope it helps,
Bea
The G2G discussion is added to the template, and this is solved in a way, as it also was solved for the Adam Brouwer/Berckhoven controversy to prevent people again are going to create or attache new duplicates, this way it's clear for everyone and leaves both options open because as you also concluded in that G2G....
Conclusion: there's as much evidence for the possibility that she WAS Ann Fuller, brother (sister of) Samuel Fuller and possible daughter of Robert Fuller as there is against it. Yikes.
But..if you prefer we can disconnect them all now and create a new profile for her husband William White (the woolcomber) for her ? And make sure to leave them all linked or connected to each other somehow with name links added to their Bio's or something to make sure no duplicates are created again ?
Greets hope it helps and have a wonderful weekend,
Bea :)