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William de Forz (latinised as de Fortis or de Fortibus[1]) was a son of William de Forz and Hawisa, Countess of Aumale in NE Normandy.[2][3][4] His birth date is uncertain but is likely to have been in the early 1190s,[1] and he may have been born in Poitou, though some sources suggest Holderness in Yorkshire (see below).
Through his mother he was titular Count of Aumale, a County in Normandy,[2][3] though this was a title without any substance in the form of landholdings - Philip Augustus of France captured Aumale in 1196.[1]
In 1214 William came to England, under safe-conduct, to secure his inheritance of the English lands held by his mother. These were mainly in Yorkshire, Cumberland and Lincolnshire.[2] His English inheritance included the Baronies of Burstwick and of Skipton, both in Yorkshire.[5] King John, fairly unusually, did not charge him a large fine for coming into his inheritance[1] but made it a condition of his enjoying the revenues from these lands that he marry Aveline de Montfichet.[2] Aveline died in 1239.[2][3]
William and Aveline had at least one son, William[2][3][6][7] and probably a daughter whom he tried unsuccessfully to marry to a son of William de Longespée, Earl of Salisbury.[1][2]
In 1214 William served in King Johns campaign in Poitou[1] but the next year he joined the Barons who compelled King John to sign the Magna Carta, of which he was one of the Surety Barons.[2][3][4] During the rebellion that followed, William supported King John, who granted him lands and castles confiscated from rebels.[1][2] For a few months in the summer of 1216 William abandoned the royal cause, but, by the accession of Henry III in October he was again supporting the royal government.[2]
When rebel Barons returned to allegiance, William resisted official attempts to make him restore confiscated lands to them. By May 1220 he had surrendered most of them, though he held onto Castle Bytham, Lincolnshire, which had been in his family's possession in the past.[2] Later that year he was twice denied the post of Seneschal of Poitou and Gascony.[2]
At the end of 1220 William left the court and rebelled. The reasons are not entirely clear, but it is likely the main motive was his desire to retain Caste Bytham. He was excommunicated in January 1221, and fled North, but made his peace with the government. As part of the terms of this, he was required to pay for some of the costs of the campaign against him. Castle Bytham was destroyed, though he made an unsuccessful legal attempt in 1236 to recover it.[2]
William's relationship with Henry III's administration remained difficult until the later 1220s, when he was sent of diplomatic missions. In 1230 he went to Poitou with Henry III.[2] He appears on occasion to have engaged in piracy: in 1227 Henry III wrote to him , "just as we have enjoined you orally other times", to restore to one William Burghley 21 barrels of wine which he had seized from a ship.[1]
William died in 1241, in the Mediterranean[3][4] on his way to Jerusalem.[2] His burial place is not known.[2] J W Clay, in his The Extinct and Dormant Peerages of the Northern Counties of England, states that he was buried in Meaux Abbey[8] but there is no good source for this.
A great deal of information about William's ancestors and descendants (albeit unsourced) is available at Patrick Delaforce and Ken Baldry's Delaforce Family History website, Chapter 38.
Note by Chet Snow, April 6, 2017
Neither William de Forz (b: ca. 1192-1241) nor his father ever lived in the Norman County of "Aumale" (translated in English, Aumale = Albemarle) although the family held the title of "Comte d'Aumale" = Earl of Albemarle, in English.
As William's father was from Fors in Poitou (a former French province consisting of the Charentes and Vienne areas sometimes counted as being in Aquitaine, sometimes not), and as some biographies indicate that he traveled to England from Poitou at about 21 years old to claim his English-lands birthright from the English King, in 1214, this would lead one to believe he was most-likely born in "Poitou, France".
Some genealogies, however, state he was born in Holderness, East Riding, Yorkshire, where his parents apparently also had a castle, and he was later also known as "Lord of Holderness" - but that is a lesser title than Earl of Albemarle (Comte d'Aumale).
For the 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta in 2015, Professor Nigel Saul wrote a set of biographies of the Surety Barons. He and the Magna Carta 800th Anniversary Committee generously gave permission for them to be reproduced on WikiTree. They can be viewed here.
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I see no mention of it in his biography above…..
One historian, Sidney Painter, in a 1949 book on the reign of King John speculates that William de Forz's mother Hawise may have been for a time a mistress of King John. Note the word "speculates" - this is a guess, and there is no clear evidence. The fact that his mother faced a huge fine by King John to prevent her being forced to remarry may suggest that John never held her in affection.
Even if she was mistress of John for a time, that does not make John the father of William de Forz. If she was a mistress after John came to the throne in 1199, John cannot have been William’s father - dates would rule this out.
A 1971 article on William de Forz alludes briefly to the possibility - I stress the word "possibility" - that Hawise may have been one of John's mistresses, but expresses no doubts about William being the son of the father shown here. See Ralph V Turner. "William De Forz, Count of Aumale: An Early Thirteenth-Century English Baron", Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 115, No. 3 (Jun. 17, 1971), pp. 221-249, viewable on JSTOR at https://www.jstor.org/stable/985979#metadata_info_tab_contents. What it does do is provide some circumstantial evidence that, if - again I stress "if" - Hawise and John had a relationship, it may have been in the 1200s, too late for John to be William's father: in 1209 there is a reference to someone failing to give Hawise a belt as a gift from King John.
edited by Michael Cayley
Richard De Montfitchet, married Milicent ____. They had one son, Richard, and three daughters, Philippe, Aveline (wife of William de Forz, Count of Aumale), and Margaret (or Margery).
Thank you!
Poitou, France or Holderness, Yorkshire, England?
If so, they are about 700 miles apart.
I have no quarrel with Chet's posted description of William's birthplace, because, as he said, the parents appear to have lived in both places. Where William was born may be uncertain, unless we find more definitive documentation.
Wikipedia: The Earldom of Albemarle which he inherited from his mother included (his English lands)...also included the county of Aumale, ...lost to the French in 1204, along with the rest of Normandy."
Neither born nor ruled, in Aumale.
Poitou, once its own county in France, is no longer a county, but if we go by the name during the life of the person in the profile, then it is Poitou.
I think the birthplace should read "Fors, Poitou, France".
He was certainly an example of the way some of the barons changed sides!