A(e)l(d)ert Heymensz wordt het eerst genoemd in de doopakte van zijn dochter Neelke in 1655, waar we ook in lezen dat zijn vrouw Wijlke Ariens de Jongh heet. De eerste aanwijzing dat ook Aeldert de familienaam Ro(o)sa gaat voeren wordt gevonden in de volgende akte:[1] Translated: A(e)l(d)ert Heymensz is mentioned for the first time in the baptismal certificate of his daughter Neelke in 1655, where we also read that his wife is called Wijlke Ariens de Jongh. The first indication that Aeldert will also carry the Ro(o)sa family name later is found in the following deed:
3 March 1660; Alen Heymensz Roosa nabuer tot Herwijnen heeft vercoft en opgedragen voor de helfte van vier mergen lants onverscheijden end onverdeijlt met de erven van Govert Ariensz de Jongh inne den gerichte van Hellouw binnen den paelgraeft gelegen tusschen lant van Jasper Geritz oost en Gerardt Falcken west streckende ten zuijden aen lant van willem Jansz cum suis end ten noorden <...> off soo wie en met laste van acht voeten schoordijcks gelegen inne den gerichte van Herwijnen beneden het middel van elk hoeft ende met de helfte van eens thijns van acht gulden jaerlicxs d’erven van Govert Ariens de Jongh voorschreven in eenen eygendom erfflick te hebben en te besitten ende comparant voornoemd verteech daer op en hij geloofde en ende ten waervan ne den boedel van Arien Meertens en borders van sijnen wegh t’onzen lanrecht actum iii martii <1660>[1] Translated: Alen Heymensz Roosa nabuer to Herwijnen has sold and dedicated half of four morgen land (onverscheijden en onverdeeld=) in good relations with (and to ?) the heirs of Govert Ariensz de Jongh in the (gericht=) court of Hellouw within the paelgraft lying between the land of Jasper Geritz (East) and Gerardt Falcken (West) stretching to the south to land of Willem Jansz cum suis end to the north ... or so who and with charge of eight feet situated in the direction of Herwijnen below the middle of each hoeft (head ?)) and with the halve of a thijns (tax) of jearly eight guilders, the heirs of the afore mentioned Govert Ariens de Jongh to have and possess in one hereditary property and the aforesaid comparant (Alen Heijmensz) 'verteech' (=waives?) and promisses and and of which the estate of Arien Meertens and borders of his way at our landright (court) actum iii martii 1660.
Aeldert Heymensz, buurmeester in Herwijnen, had via zijn vrouw Wijntje Ariens de Jongh een dubbele verwantschap met de familie. Translated: Aeldert Heymensz, 'buurmeester' in Herwijnen, had a double affinity with the family through his wife Wijntje Ariens de Jongh . [1]
On the 16th of April 1660 he with his family New Amsterdam (New York) on the Bonte Koe (Spotted Cow): "Albert Heymans, farmer, from Gelderland, wife and 8 children: 17, 15, 14, 9, 8, 7, 4, 2 yrs old" [2] His wife was Wyntje Ariens (Welke de Jonge) and they had eight children together.
1679 - The will of Aldert Heymanse Roosa Book Ulster County, Mentioned Children [3]
Heyman Alderse Roosa (1643- ? ) m. Ann Margriet Rosevelt [3]
Arien Roosa (1645 - ? ), m. Maria Eversen Pels [3]
Aldert Heimansse Rosa died 27 February 1679 [3] And she passed away in 1697.
Church Records
Children's baptisms:
Herwijnen (the Netherlands) Baptism 5 November 1655; Kind (child): Neelken, Vader (father): Alert Heijmense Moeder (mother): Wijlken Ariens de Jong Getuigen (witnesses): Arien Huijbertse, Neelke Ariens de Jong[4][5]
Kingston, New York 1664. June 15. Guert. Albert Heymensen Roosa, Weyntjen Ariens. Wit.: Anna Blom. "Hic filius obiit ante baptismum." (died before baptism) [6]
Grandson: Date of Baptism: 2 March 1679 Kingston Dutch Reformed Church, at Kingston, Ulster Co., NY Son: Aldert Parents: Heiman Aldertse Rosa and Margriet Rosevelt, Witnesses: Mr. Roelof Chierstede. Wielke de Jongh, widow of Aldert Heimansse Rosa, who died 27 Feb., 1678/9. [8]
Baptism: 4 Jun 1682 Daughter: Weyntie Parents: Ary Rosa and (Weyntie Aendriaanz d'jong) (see ref 10, the name Maria Pels is the correct one) Witnesses: Heyman Rosa and Margriet Claasz Rooseveld [9]
↑ Olive Tree Genealogy: Ships' Lists: To New Netherland (NY) 1624-1664de Bonte Koe 1660 Sailed 16 April 1660 from Amsterdam, arriving New Amsterdam, Captain Pieter Lucasz Cites Source (unless noted otherwise): Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664
↑ 3.03.13.23.33.43.53.63.73.83.9 N.Y.probate records in the office of the surrogate, and in the county clerk's office at Kingston, N.Y. by Gustave Anjou with introduction by A.T. Clearwater; N.Y. 1906, 551 pages, p.75 - (Albert Heymans - Farmer) -See uploaded page (Will Jan Roosa)
↑ Index Kerkregisters Doop en Trouw, 1607-1681 (Herwijnen en Hellouw), (LDS Film 1743581). Nederduitsch-Hervormde Gemeente te Herwijnen No. 14
↑ "Netherlands, Gelderland Province, Church Records, 1405-1966," images, FamilySearch (Baptism Neelken Alertsen: 6 August 2019, Nederlands Hervormde > Herwijnen > Dopen 1655-1681 Trouwen 1607-1681 > image 6 of 148; Gelders Archives, Arnhem.
↑Baptismal and marriage registers of the old Dutch church of Kingston, Ulster County, New York
by Kingston, N.Y. Reformed Dutch church. [from old catalog]; Hoes, Roswell Randall, 1850-1921, [from old catalog] ed page 3
↑ "Netherlands, Gelderland Province, Church Records, 1405-1966," images, FamilySearch (witness Baptism Govert 13 April 1656 Herwijnen : 6 August 2019), Nederlands Hervormde > Herwijnen > Dopen 1655-1681 Trouwen 1607-1681 > image 7 of 148; Gelders Archives, Arnhem.
↑Baptismal and marriage registers of the old Dutch church of Kingston, Ulster County, New York, by Kingston, N.Y Reformed Dutch Church, Hoes, Rosewell, Randall, 1850-1921, p. 11, no. 175 Baptism No.: 175 Book Website: page 11 See uploaded page
↑ 1682 Book: Baptismal and Marriage Registers of the Old Dutch Church of Kingston, Ulster County, New York, by Kingston, N.Y. Reformed Dutch Church, Hoes, Rosewell, Randall, 1850-1921, Publication Date: 1891, p.16, Baptism No. 264 Baptism No.: 264 Page No.: 16 (Baptism of granddaughter Weyntie, parents Ary Rosa and Maria Pels ! See uploaded page
There were a lot of duplicates for many New Netherland Settler families imported in the past and (unfortunately) there still are a lot of new duplicates created for them. Some were imported (or created) with modernized or backwards projected names and some with wrong names, and sometimes merges went wrong (before we had projects and PPP), so a lot of families had to be sorted out and corrected, all duplicates had to be merged away.
So to hopefully prevent new duplicates, with perhaps the same wrong names or other errors, is why all variations of the names (first and last names) (from all duplicates) are added to the different fields now.
There also was not much consistency those days in how names were spelled or written, people wrote phonetically, so that's why Wijlken also was written as Wijntjen or perhaps with a different spelling as well in church and other records/deeds.. so adding deeds/wills and church records can help to determine the correct names/variations of the names, and if for example these deeds/church records show the names Lavina/Wilhelmina were really not used by this person we can eventually remove those.
Dutch people (and/or others) using patronymics, didn't use or know middle names, so a patronymic isn't the same as or a middle name, it's either a LNAB (if the earliest records show a person with just the patronymic, or the patronymic is added to the first name (and preferred name field) if a person did use a familyname for last name but a patronymic as well.
Hope it explains things a bit more and greets from the Netherlands,
De Jonge-2428 and De Jongh-86 appear to represent the same person because: Same person. Ancestors of duplicated family trees. Unless there is evidence that she used her husband's last name, that name should not appear as her Current Last Name.
De Jonge-91 and De Jongh-86 appear to represent the same person because: This is the oldest maternal ancestor in this chain in need of a merge. No tree conflicts. These matches have been reviewed by the New Netherland Settlers Merge Approval System, and the "Green" destination NNS profile is protected as PPP, and the "Merge Pending" profile is now ready and able to be merged into it. I saved the data to the bios. Thanks!
DeJongh-13 and De Jongh-86 appear to represent the same person because: they were in an unmerged match & the New Netherland Settlers Approval System (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:New_Netherland_Settlers_-_Approval_System) now has them marked "Green" (NNS Category) and "Orange" (Merge Pending), indicating that the two are ready to be merged. Thanks!
DeJongh-20 and De Jongh-86 appear to represent the same person because: they were in an unmerged match & the New Netherland Settlers Approval System (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:New_Netherland_Settlers_-_Approval_System) now has them marked "Green" (NNS Category) and "Orange" (Merge Pending), indicating that the two are ready to be merged. Thanks!
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There were a lot of duplicates for many New Netherland Settler families imported in the past and (unfortunately) there still are a lot of new duplicates created for them. Some were imported (or created) with modernized or backwards projected names and some with wrong names, and sometimes merges went wrong (before we had projects and PPP), so a lot of families had to be sorted out and corrected, all duplicates had to be merged away.
So to hopefully prevent new duplicates, with perhaps the same wrong names or other errors, is why all variations of the names (first and last names) (from all duplicates) are added to the different fields now.
There also was not much consistency those days in how names were spelled or written, people wrote phonetically, so that's why Wijlken also was written as Wijntjen or perhaps with a different spelling as well in church and other records/deeds.. so adding deeds/wills and church records can help to determine the correct names/variations of the names, and if for example these deeds/church records show the names Lavina/Wilhelmina were really not used by this person we can eventually remove those.
Dutch people (and/or others) using patronymics, didn't use or know middle names, so a patronymic isn't the same as or a middle name, it's either a LNAB (if the earliest records show a person with just the patronymic, or the patronymic is added to the first name (and preferred name field) if a person did use a familyname for last name but a patronymic as well.
Hope it explains things a bit more and greets from the Netherlands,
Bea :)
"Wyntje Arians de Jonge" and in the Biography Section have a section called =Different Spellilngs of the name=
Where does the name " Lavinia" come from. . .etc. Is that the Americanized name for either her first or middle section of the name.
Just a thought. . .