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Deborah (Unknown) Wing (abt. 1589 - abt. 1667)

Deborah Wing formerly [surname unknown] aka Bachiler [uncertain]
Born about in Englandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 1608 in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 78 in Sandwich, Plymouth Colonymap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 12 Sep 2010
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Contents

Biography

Disputed Origins

It has been seen for well over a century that Deborah Wing was the daughter of Stephen Bachiler. In NEHGS's Early New England Families Study Project sketch of Daniel Wing, pp. 1, 8-11 an exhaustive case is made that there is no definitive evidence that Daniel's mother, Deborah, was the daughter of Stephen Bachiler and that errors have been made in the interpretation of various documentation. It is also shown that Rev. Prince in his A Chronological History of New England never established this relationship though later writers used his work to create it. For the reasons stated in the research, Stephen Bachiler (abt.1561-abt.1656) has been removed as her father and should not be reattached without primary source documentation and discussion with the PGM project. Her maiden name is not known. See Research Notes.

Birth

Deborah may have been born about 1592, based on her stated age of 32 in 1624 (paragraph below), however, genealogist Gene Zubrinsky places her birth about 1589 based on an examination of known details. For over a century she was believed the daughter of Stephen Bachiler and this may be seen in Anderson's The Great Migration Begins.[1] However, the most recent research found in the Early New England Families Study Project revises this and shows that her parentage is presently unknown.[2]

"xxii Junii 1624 [22 June 1624] Debora Wynge, xxxii [32] years old, wife of Mr. Jno Winge, preacher resident in Vlishing with her two children: Stephen, iii [3] years old, and Debora Winge, xiii [8?] years old."[3]

Immigration

Governor John Winthrop in his diary[4] memorializes that the man formerly believed to be her father "old Mr. Batchelor (being aged 71) ... with ... family and many other honest men" arrived in Massachusetts Bay 5 June 1632 aboard the William & Francis. Robert Charles Anderson in The Great Migration Begins[1] stated Deborah had arrived in the late 1630s. Further examination of this hypothesis places the arrival of the Wing family in 1637.[5][2]

Deborah and her sons settled at Sandwich, where history has referred to her as "the Matriarch."[citation needed] She may have, as she grew older, moved in with one or the other of her sons.[citation needed]

Death

An old Goody Wing died 31 Jan 1691/92 in Yarmouth, Barnstable, Massachusetts,[6] but since Deborah would be 100 at that time, this date is doubtful. Other dates are before 1680, when her son, Matthew's delayed probate occured.[7][8][9] In June 2020, Gene Zubrinksy noted that, "While there is no record of Deborah's death, almost certainly in Yarmouth or Sandwich, a power of attorney dated at Rochester, Kent, 27 August 1680, indicates that the New England estate of Matthew Wing, who had returned to England [where he died by 1653], had never been settled upon Matthew's widow or their only child, both by then deceased, and had consequently devolved to Matthew's three brothers, John Wing of Yarmouth and Daniel and Stephen Wing of Sandwich (NEHGR, 38:376-78). Since their mother, Deborah, is not mentioned, it is assumed that she had died by the 1680 date."[10]

Children

  1. Deborah Wing
  2. John Wing
  3. Daniel Wing
  4. Matthew Wing
  5. Stephen Wing

Research Notes

Disputed Parents: The connection to parents Stephen Bachiler (abt.1561-abt.1656) and Ann (Bate) Bachiler (abt.1570-bef.1624) was severed in 2020 to reflect the latest research published by NEHGS.

The information below as regards the origins and maiden name of Deborah Wing is contradicted by the Early New England Families Study Project of NEHGS pp 1, 8-11. While there may have been some, as yet unproven, relationship between Deborah Wing and Rev. Stephen Bachiler, there is nothing that documents or gives credible circumstantial evidence that Deborah was the daughter of Rev. Bachiler. The recent discovery of the baptismal record of John in Strood in 1611 would make him about 21 in 1632 when the Wings were alleged to have come with Bachiler. As the Early New England Study Project points out, his absence from records until 1638 was reason for Anderson in the Great Migration Directory to place John's arrival (and by inference the rest of the Wings) in 1637.[11]

Exported from database of Raymond T. Wing, e-mail: [email removed]:
In the meager town records of Sandwich no reference has been found to Deborah Wing. This is not strange. Her son John became the head of her household, and women were not prominent in town or public matters. Mrs. Emma Bartlett Chamberlain, historian of the Wing family, a few years ago found a will and the records of the probate of the estate of one Thomas Howell, a brick layer, who died in Boston in the spring of 647. It appears that Mr. Howell lived at Duxbury in the Plymouth Colony and the inventory of his estate taken May 31, 1648, mentions "chattels at Kenelm Winslow's, at Thomas Burnes and at Robert Waterman's." Mr. Howell's business seems to have taken him abroad from his home. The reference in his probate papers to "Goodwife Wing" and John Winge undoubtedly referred to Deborah Wing and her son John, to whom, by some chance, he had become indebted. The term "Goodwife" as used by the early colonists, designated the head of a household.
For further reference to this record see The Owl at pages 661-662.[CI:181:?4:CI].
In the "Q.R. Miscell., 560-562, Licenses to pass beyond the sea, Eliz, to Car. I." Public Records office, London, is this quaint entry:
"XXII Junii 1624, Deborah Wynge XXXII years old, wife of Mr. John Winge, preacher, resident in Vlishing, with her two children, vizi, Stephen III years old and Debora Winge XIII years old. Vrs. ib. 't."
This is the only record authority we have of the age of Deborah or of her daughter Deborah and son Stephen.[CI:180:?4:CI]
When the gentlewoman Deborah and her four half-grown sons, landed with their grandsire Bachiler at Boston in June, 1632, they were unusual emigrants. They came from gentle English homes; they had lived at Hamburg, at Middleburg, at the Hague, and in London; they had crossed seas before; they had been nurtured in the very cradle of English protestantism; they were protestants against the English Church themselves; they were such notable arrivals that Governor Winthrop himself makes mention of their coming in his diary.[CI:185:?4:CI] While the Wing Family of America is in firm belief that the Wing family came with Rev. Stephen Bachiler in the [IT:William and Francis:IT] in 1632, Anderson[CI:375:?4:CI] stated they "came to New England in the late 1630s and resided at Sandwich." Mr. Anderson based his conclusion on the fact that none of the Wings were mentioned in any contemporary New England record until they settled in Sandwich. However, Winthrop's History of New England (I:93) a journal written at the time stated: "June 5] The William and Francis, Mr. Thomas master, with about sixty passengers, whereof Mr. Welde and old Mr. Batchelor (being aged 71) were, with their families and many other honest men..." It is quite likely that Rev. Stephen came with his daughters Deborah & Theodate, their children as well as his Sanborn grandchildren and his grandson Nathaniel Bachiler.
It is conjectured that Deborah and her children returned to Holland after the death of her husband. The only proof of this is contained in Q.R. Miscell. 560 (licenses to pass beyond the seas. Eliz. to Car. I.) in the Public Record Office. An item reads: June 23, 1631, Stephen Bachiler, aged 70 years, resident of South Stoneham in Com. Southhampton, et uxer Helen xiviii veeres, vrs fflushing to visite thier sonns and daughters, and so to return within two months." Another, in the same volume reads: "XXV Junii, 1631, Ann Sanborn of age 30 years, widow, resident in ye Strand, vree Vlishing." The sons of Mr. Bachiler known to us were Samuel and Nathaniel and his daughters were Deborah Wing and Ann Sanborn. It is not improbable that Deborah in her widowhood returned to her old home at Flushing. This visit of Mr. Bachiler to his children was fraught with importance to the future of his descendants, for it was made for the purpose of completing final arrangements for the settlement in New England, which occurred the following spring.[CI:183:?4:CI]
At Book 2, page 20, in the record of Essex County deeds, there is a deed from Daniel King of Lynn, gent., of five acres of upland, 'being a neck of land given to John Winge, abutting easterly uppon the highway, that runneth from across the brooke which runneth out of the marsh * * which lyeth northwest from the dwelling house of Henry Collem,' etc. given Sept. 1, 1654." The foregoing is one of the few sounds coming to us from the life of Deborah and her sons at Lynn, between the years 1632 and 1637. It is important to us not only for that reason, but because it may help us locate the property upon which the family first settled when they first landed in New England[CI:3499:?4:CI].
Five years went by at Saugus. Then our ancestress, Deborah, and her four sons took up the trek to Shawme--oldest town on the Cape--which later was called Sandwich after their home town across the water.[CI:110:?4:CI] The name of John Wing was found in the list of the fifty "undertakers" who assisted the "Ten men of Saugus" in the settlement of Shawme, now Sandwich in 1637[CI:3439:?4:CI].
While the old [IT:Owl:IT] records claim that John moved his family to Yarmouth around 1656, it is known that he was of Yarmouth by 1648, when his son Ephraim was recorded born there.
On 27 AUG 1680 brothers John, Daniel & Stephen agreed to forfeit their right of inheritance to their brother Matthew's estate. Mother Deborah was not mentioned in this record so that undoubtedly she was deceased by this time.[CI:374:?4:CI]
Exported from database of Raymond T. Wing
Husband: John Wing - Wynge
Wife: Deborah Bachiler
Child: John Wing - Winge
Note: The influence of the courtship and the marriage of John and Deborah, and the consequent associations with the father of the latter, may have had much to do with the breaking of the young man's relations with his mother church. John Wing and Deborah Bachiler were married about the year 1609-10. It may be conjectured that because John's brother Fulke named a daughter Deborah, born to him in 1608, that the marriage occurred even earlier. At the time of his marriage John was about twenty five years of age, and Deborah barely eighteen. The oldest child, Deborah, was born in 1611. John, the second child, is said by some student of family history to have been born at Yarmouth. He is mentioned in his grand father's will made in 1614, so that it is probable that his birth occurred in 1613.[CI:107:?4:CI] NOTE: see the Early New England Study Project linked elsewhere on this profile for a newer interpretation of the information presented in this note.


Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1:63 (in particular part); digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2020).
  2. 2.0 2.1 NEHGS Early New England Families Study Project
  3. Waters, Henry F. Genealogical Gleanings in England. Vol 1 p 520. Boston: NEHGS, 1901. Presented as "extracts from Q. R. Miscell, 560 (Licenses to pass beyond the Sea, Eliz. to Car. I.), were made in the Public Record Office two or three years ago:" (Click here to view this material at Hathi Trust.)
  4. John Winthrop, Winthrop's journal, "History of New England," 1630-1649, James Kendall Hosmer, ed., 2 vols. ([c1908]), 1:80-81; digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
  5. Anderson, Robert Charles, Great Migration Directory, p 379
  6. Yarmouth Monthly Meeting minutes
  7. Wing, Raymond T. & Ruth Powell; Helen Piersons; Herbert G Wing. Wing Family of America, Wing Genealogy : the Rev. John Wing of Banbury, Oxfordshire, England, and Wife Deborah Bachiler: their ancestry and descendants through five generations (Rockport, Me. : Penobscot Press, 2006), pp 8, 32.
  8. The Owl, v 15-17 (1913-1916):1364
  9. Sandwich Monthly Meeting
  10. Find A Grave: Memorial #35918875
  11. Great Migration Directory, 379
See also

Caution should be taken with the following with regard the the origins of Deborah Wing. See NEHGS Early New England Study Project for the most recent scholarly research.

  • The Owl published Quarterly from 1899-1934, annually from 1939 Book, Multi-Volum: 30 DEC 1998 Wing Family of America, Inc.
  • Pierce, Frederick Clifton, Batchelder, Batcheller Genealogy. Descendants of Rev. Stephen Bachiler, of England, a Leading Non-conformist, who sett Chicago, by the author, W.B.Conkey Company, 1898.
  • Sybil Noyes, Charles Thornton Libby, Walter Goodwin Davis, Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire Book, Comp. Records DATE: 12 JAN 1999 Reprint, Baltimore, MD; Genealogical Publishing Co.
  • James Savage, A Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England, Showing Three Generation s o f Those who came Before May, Boston, Little, Brown and Company; reprinted by Higginson Book Co., Salem, MA, c1995
  • Torrey, Clarence Almon, New England Marriages Prior to 1700 REFN: 1 TYPE: Book, Simple DATE: 30 DEC 1998 Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co. (1985,reprinted 1990)
  • Wing, Rev. Conway P. A historical and genealogical register of John Wing, of Sandwich, Mass., and his descendants, 1662-1881. New York : De Vinne Press, 1888.

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I'm still not convinced that this Deborah Wing is not the daughter of Stephen Bachilor. I have read thru "Early New England Families Study Project sketch of Daniel Wing, pp. 1, 8-11". I accept that there may be no documentary proof that she's his daughter but I can find no documentary proof in this report that she's not. The report downplays the connections between John Wing Sr and S B. It tries to downplay the very strong evidence of Daniel naming his son Bacheler by asking why did he what so long. But what a strange name. would any father have been in a rush to use it? The startling thing is not that he waited, but that he used it at all! And Deborah named one of her children Stephen, also not that common of name at the time [and in honour of whom in their families?]

And much of what's in the Research Notes about an imagined alternative Deborah Bachilor seems to be mere conjecture.

posted by Steven Holloway
You are asking the project or the report to prove a negative? That her maiden name is unknown isn’t just the opinion of the ENEF study project, the opinion is held by other noted genealogists such as Gene Zubrinsky cited on the profile. As a descendant I’ve followed this research for many years and don’t find ENEF downplayed anything to create a narrative.

There is text in research notes that should be removed but hasn’t been. The note which is quite old regarding an alternative Deborah has been appended with a note to refer to the ENEF research. No one denies some relationship with SB though we don’t know after whom, if anyone, the son of Daniel is named (spellings used in the period would leave great uncertainty in using that to strengthen the idea of Deborah’s parentage). Perhaps at some future point additional documentation will come to light that confirms Deborah’s origin no matter what it may be proven to be.

posted by T Stanton
Just trying to show, the debate is still ongoing. With such a character as SB, I can understand why relations with his grandkids might not always have been smooth or close. Perhaps the link to SB could have been changed to "uncertain" rather than deleted.
posted by Steven Holloway
Thanks, Steven. As T Stanton pointed out the Research Notes could probably be streamlined, and I've added a Needs Format Improvement Maintenance category.

The PGM project doesn't have a defined standard for uncertain attachments (but we're thinking about creating one). But I think we generally want to see at least a "preponderance of evidence." I haven't worked with this family personally, but in reviewing what we have here it seems like the main point of evidence is that son Daniel named a child Bachiler? Am I overlooking something?

posted by M Cole
edited by M Cole
I’m not a researcher on John Wing Sr and Stephen Bachiler and much of what I’ve heard is perhaps circumstantial (and may be wrong) including that both studied theology at Oxford Univ [and met there?] , both were members of the protestant underground, in England and Holland they “moved about in similar circles” and both bought land in Sangus, Mass. Then there is the long standing tradition and tons of secondary sources that link them and mention Deborah as Stephen’s daughter. You have a link to one NEHGS paper which challenges the connection, [and does it refute it or merely question it?] but I can show you other NEHGS publications which link them. This would include the entry on Stephen in the published Great Migration Series. And how about this from one of their main researchers - Robert Charles Anderson, _Puritan Pedigrees_, 2018 NEHGS p325 –after nearly a whole chapter of research on the life of SB, he ends with - “All three of his known daughters came to Massachusetts: Deborah, who married John Wing…”
posted by Steven Holloway
My apologies for taking so long to get back to this thread. Since the ENEF study project is part of NEHGS and the subsequent working group/project to Anderson's published works (more is coming), I wanted to point out that this represents the most recent and thus up to date work. In this regard, the earlier publications of NEHGS should be considered out of date (just as later issues of the NEHGR update earlier issues from time to time).

From my perspective, the issue with the secondary sources is that they've fed from each other over a very extended period of time, often claiming each other as an authority in circular fashion without having primary sources, just speculation (which may or may not be well-reasoned, I am not using the term speculation in the pejorative).

M Cole is a leader of the PGM Project while I am not so may wish to add to this but at this time it is my understanding that this profile follows the guides which have been established for the project. No parents are given as none have been established by the criteria in use. The first paragraph of the profile gives an overview of the dispute and in research notes have been left notes by the head of the family association. I don't know that there is more to be done absent uncovering new documentation.

posted by T Stanton
Well said, Todd. Alicia Crane Williams and Robert C Anderson are colleagues at NEHGS, and I think it's probable he would have reviewed such an update to the family of a Great Migration immigrant. From what I've heard from PGM members who've had articles published in the Register this seems to be the practice. We certainly want to preserve the information that this is what HAS been published previously and include WikiTree links in the bio/research notes.

BUT, this is always subject to change. Perhaps opening up research to a wider range of possibilities will uncover something new.

posted by M Cole
This was recently posted in comments on profile of Daniel Wing a descendant of John and Deborah: https://www.wingfamily.org/
posted by Sandie (Schwartz) Schwarz
edited by Sandie (Schwartz) Schwarz
Thanks, Sandie. The Wing family .org makes a number of unsubstantiated or questionable claims. The work of the Early New England Families Study Project (cited on this profile) is considered the authoritative research at this time.
posted by T Stanton
edited by T Stanton
Thank You ! Deborah's granddaughter, Sarah Wing, daughter of Stephen Wing {Sarah Briggs), was the wife of Robert Gifford, who was the brother of my children's 9x great-grandfather Christopher Gifford (Deborah Perry). Note: I also have some unverified info that Christopher Gifford was 1st married to a Meribah NN ? before he married Deborah Perry
posted by Sandie (Schwartz) Schwarz
edited by Sandie (Schwartz) Schwarz
Recent research by the Early New England Families Project concludes that there is no proof that the Deborah who married John Wing was the daughter of Stephen Bachiler. (http://www.americanancestors.org/uploadedFiles/American_Ancestors/Content/Databases/PDFs/EarlyAmericanFamilies/Daniel_Wing_m1642,1666_8-20-2016.pdf). This should be, at minimum, noted in the profile.
posted on Bachiler-1 (merged) by Jim Moore
Well, as Gene Z recently reminded us, we managed to let this comment slip through the cracks. Our apologies, Jim (although you could have added a notation on the profile yourself).

Could one of the profile managers (preferably) or one of the PGM volunteers take this on? It means adding a Disputed Origins section at the top, summarizing the "Commentary" section of the article linked above, then detaching Deborah from her parents and changing her LNAB to Unknown.

Many thanks.

posted on Bachiler-1 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Saw Gene's comment. She is an 11th ggm so I would be happy to make this corrections but won't get to it for a day or two. If someone else wants to jump in before then, that's fine with me.
posted on Bachiler-1 (merged) by T Stanton
Disputed origins statement now in place with link to NEHGS ENEFSP research. The death paragraph on the profile will also be amended--she was deceased by 1680, the other record is not her. Ready to proceed with detachment of parents and making her Deborah Unknown unless someone has research to show NEHGS is in error.
posted on Bachiler-1 (merged) by T Stanton
Oops. I Ppp'ed her. Will remove so we can change her LNAB then we can put it back.
posted on Bachiler-1 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
My bad, Jillaine, I forgot to switch LNAB to Unknown at end of the process. But, will wait on a reply from GZ.
posted on Bachiler-1 (merged) by T Stanton
Reply received. GZ confirms her maiden name is not known.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Hate to give you more work, TS, but none of the other profile managers appear to be active. The narrative of this profile could really use a once (or twice) over. There's lots of duplication, and way too many long quotes or copy/pastes from other sources. And the citation formatting is inconsistent. It really needs an overhaul.

Someone? Pretty please?

posted by Jillaine Smith
As I cannot leave grandma Wing in such condition, I've put this on the makeover list. I believe most of the later copy/paste comes either from Raymond Wing's book or he sent his own notes or pre-pub info to someone and that got pasted here. As current PMs are inactive, can you add me as a PM? Thanks.
posted by T Stanton
Bachiler-76 and Bachiler-1 appear to represent the same person because: same person; please merge. Spouses also needs merging, as do duplicate sons named John. Thanks.
posted on Bachiler-1 (merged) by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Batchelder-1054 and Bachiler-1 appear to represent the same person because: Rev. Stephen Bachiler isn't known to have had two daughters named Deborarh
posted on Bachiler-1 (merged) by GeneJ X

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