Lincoln's ancestors partially disconnected?

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Hello G2G and project gurus, 

US President Lincoln has an apparent ancestral line to a certain Taylor family in colonial Virginia. For example, we have Dorothy Taylor-14670 m. Lee, here: 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Taylor-14670

Dorothy currently has no father connected. 

She does however have a mother, Elizabeth NN: 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-466491

This profile has a husband Thomas Taylor:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Taylor-2867

But that profile is not connected as the father of Dorothy Taylor (which is illogical, unless Elizabeth NN married two different Taylor men); and neither is his wife Elizabeth NN connected as the mother of his son Thomas junior:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Taylor-5671

It appears we distrust this line connecting Lincoln to colonial Virginia. 

Could we either totally disconnect these people; or restore the connections between the partially severed family group? What it is now is just confusing. Unless I missed the memo this partial de-parenting is how we handle controversies like this. I'd suggest a Disputed Origins tag, and shift the uncertainty from the database into the biography section. 

Cheers, 

Isaac in California

WikiTree profile: Elizabeth Taylor
in Requests for Project Volunteers by Isaac Taylor G2G6 Mach 1 (10.2k points)
retagged by Ellen Smith

10 Answers

+4 votes
Isaac have you found any sources? It would make a big difference if you did, thanks
by Living Poole G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
No, sorry. I'm not working on this. I just bumped into this family group while cross referencing some of own research on Taylor origins back in England, with some DNA work outside of this site.

We may be distant cousins from discrete emigrations more than a century apart; but at first glance, it is more likely the VA Taylors have an erroneous (non) connection to the specific family in Suffolk England I'm working on. I doubt I'll end up back in this neck of the woods on my own work.
+5 votes
I just added Dorothy Taylor's Will proving the order of her 3 husbands.
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (299k points)

It looks like the detachment was made because the mother Elizabeth Unknown-466491 was not proven as Elizabeth Harwood who married Taylor.

Many early family trees had her as the daughter of the Governor William Harwood. Wikitree has a profile for him at William Harwood-718 but the dates and locations are wrong. I can fix it if I get permission to change those.

It looks like Elizabeth was actually a descendant of the above William's brother Thomas Harwood-2230 (Sr.) who I just created. There is some contradictory info for him and I am searching for more sources to try and figure out his descendants. It seems Elizabeth is the daughter of Thomas Harwood, Jr.

+8 votes

Nat Taylor (editor of TAG) has written a lot about his own Virginia Taylors and the business of separating them out after everybody else had mixed them all up

https://nltaylor.net/sketchbook/?s=richard+taylor&searchsubmit=Search

http://www.nltaylor.net/taylor/

by Living Horace G2G6 Pilot (642k points)
edited by Living Horace
Thanks RJ
+5 votes
I have added some research notes which outline some of the mistaken associations that have been made.
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (299k points)
+5 votes
I added info about this Elizabeth's last Will.

Robin Lee, you were the one who detached her husband Thomas Taylor. Can we please reattach him since they were both the parents of the same children ?
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (299k points)
Give me some time with this and my notes.   As I remember this information came from a website that also had Dorothy marrying the wrong William Lee.   Because of all the errors, it put into question the will of Elizabeth, as no one else has ever seen the will that is cited.   It is also interesting that her will is supposedly found in the Amelia County "book 7", while everyone agrees that she died in Richmond County.

Here is the index for book 7 and there is no Elizabeth Taylor listed.   https://genealogyresources.org/Index-Amd7.pdf

I am also looking for the will of William Lee to assure that the statement about her brother Thomas is also true.   Sorry, but this data has been all over the internet for years and was mostly proven false.   Here is the source of much of the information that needs proof.   https://geesnmore.wordpress.com/william-heath/

<quote: As I remember this information came from a website that also had Dorothy marrying the wrong William Lee. >

Here are some possibilities with notes ...

https://geesnmore.wordpress.com/william-heath/

https://www.geni.com/people/Elizabeth-Taylor/6000000008218104018

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I073773&tree=Tree1

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<quote: I am also looking for the will of William Lee >

He might be the one in Amelia County, so on your index list, can you please check the entries for ...

115 LEA Joseph
115 LEA William
115 LEE William
123 LEE William, Jr.

If you do find some info there, can you please add the info to the profile. Thanks
+6 votes
<quote: I am also looking for the will of William Lee >

I have just found a note about his inventory.

Uploaded images for that and Elizabeth's Will info.
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (299k points)
Great job, Nikki, this proves all the incorrect children added to Dorothy and William Lee, as it indicates they are children of her Grandson William Lee, which would be the son of Dorothy and William.
Looking at Elizabeth's profile, the names listed in the will (Photo) are different than the ones listed in the biography as being in the will.   Looks like we have two different transcriptions that are quite different.....
<quote: Looks like we have two different transcriptions that are quite different >

Maybe you have looked at the wrong things.

Both the Unknown-466491 bio and the Will photo mention daughter Dorothy Croucher, so that is solid.
<quote: this proves all the incorrect children added to Dorothy and William Lee, as it indicates they are children of her Grandson William Lee, which would be the son of Dorothy and William. >

No I think you have misinterpreted the info.

The ref tag at the TOP of the Will info is for Elizabeth, and then I listed the beneficiaries.

When you get down to William, I gave ANOTHER reference tag explaining what happened to ONLY HIS legacy and THAT mentions his children.

Biography says

- I, Elizabeth Taylor, of North Farnham Parish
- all my waring apparel be equally divided between my two daughters, Dorothy Croucher and Sary Ellate
- "Dorothy to have my Coyas"
- my great granddaughter Betty Lee, daughter to my grandson, Tom Lee
- my great granddaughter Ann Lee, daughter of my grandson William Lee
- my great granddaughter Lucy Lee, daughter of Dorothy
- great grandson Richard Lee, son of Dorothy
- grandson William Lee. [4]
Picture of will says
....great granddaughters Betty Lee, Anna Lee, Saray Lee, and great grandson, Richard Lee (all children of grandson, William Lee)
 Betty has different relationship, no Lucy in the picture...the relationships are different.
Will you be able to get a look at an original version of the Will ?

The image posted of Elizabeth Taylor's will abstract is from Robert K Headley's book, Wills of Richmond County

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/flhg-willsrichmondcnty/?name=william_lee&event=1717_richmond-virginia-usa_2520&name_x=1_1

Note William Lee, inv, 5 Feb 1717/18, in another snippet from the same book.

I think Amelia Order Book 7 is a garbled citation, copied by everybody without checking.  Amelia County was created 1734/5 and Order Book 7 is 1760s

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/275453?availability=Family%20History%20Library

It was Dorothy Croucher died in Amelia County, in 1754.  Looks like she'd gone there to live with her daughter Katherine Brannan.  Her will is in Will Book 1.

So if all are agreeable, I will adjust the Amelia to Richmond County.

Robin, re: different relatives named.

I think these are modern misinterpretations.

Someone has misread the relationships & people have read the old handwriting differently for Lucy and Sarey who are actually the same relative.
quote> The will is discussed here
https://archive.org/details/cognatefamiliesolinc_0/page/n5

I am having trouble reading the small type. Can you give a summary about what it says about the Will. Thanks
Looks like archive.org have messed up the reader again.

... let us
go back again to the grand old lady Elizabeth
Taylor, whom we found, at the beginning of
our story, signing her will. We remember
that she had two daughters and that one of
these daughters, Dorothy, married a man
named William Lee and had by this marriage a
son named William, who was the only grandson
mentioned in the will. He was appointed her
executor and her residuary legatee. His four
children were likewise the only great-grand-
children named in the old lady's will. To her
great-granddaughter, Betty Lee, she left her
bed-rug-blanket, three pairs of sheets, her
prayer-book, one cow and calf, one ewe and
lamb, one pewter basin, her Great Trunk, her
long-handled pot-ladle and frying-pan, her
little salt cellar, and her looking-glass. Betty
was her namesake and fared best in the old
lady's will.

To William Lee's other two daughters, Ann
and Sarah, she gave each a cow and calf, a ewe
and lamb, a small trunk, and a pewter basin.

To William's son, Richard Lee, she bequeathed
her Great Chest, and evidently there
was a considerable estate which William Lee
inherited as residuary legatee.

William Lee died in 1764, seventeen years
after the death of his grandmother. In all
those seventeen years he had not finally settled
her estate. If he had done so, we might never
have come into possession of the interesting
information which connects Lincoln with the
Lees.  As it was, each of William Lee's three
living grandchildren (Sarah apparently had
died) was mentioned in the settlement of
William's own estate as entitled to sums still due
them under the will of their great-grandmother,
Elizabeth Taylor. To Richard Lee, one of the
grandchildren, was payable four shillings,
Betsy Lee and Ann Lee did not receive their
inheritance directly; it was paid for them to
their husbands, who are named in the accounting
of the administrators, Thomas Hanks and Joseph
Hanks. These two young men, cousins, married
the two Lee girls, as we discover through
these ancient wills and reports to the probate
court and probably never should have discovered
otherwise. And Ann Lee, by her marriage
to Joseph Hanks, became President Lincoln's
great-grandmother.
+6 votes
The US Presidents project removed the father/husband based on a lack of sources that tie Elizabeth to a specific husband.   Using the will of Elizabeth, and the fact that she had another daughter named Sara may be the way to find the husband of Elizabeth.
by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (875k points)
I am working on the TAYLOR wills tonight.

Did you look up the Amelia LEE index ?
+4 votes
Does anyone know how to look up Mrs. Elizabeth Taylor's will by Family History Library number ? ...

Richmond County, Virginia Will book#5 p531–32 for Elizabeth Taylor, dated: 11 May 1747; proved: 07 Sep 1747; FHL#33,677; item#1 which named daughter Dorothy Crutcher.
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (299k points)
Apparently they have scanned images. and you have to go to a Family History Center to see them.

So nobody else can scan their films.  Nobody can buy their scans.  Nobody can buy their films.  And nobody else will film the records, because they've already been filmed.
+4 votes
http://sites.rootsweb.com/~varichmo/wills/wills.html

The above webpage says William LEE died without leaving a Will and there is a transcription of his widow at court.

On the same webpage there is a transcription of Mrs. Elizabeth Taylor's last Will in 1747,
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (299k points)

Just seen this after posting mine.  So Amelia Order Book 7 should be Richmond Order Book 7.  Just have to get Aleš to send the EditBot out all over the internet.

I don't understand about what Ales' editbot can do on the internet ???
+6 votes

@RJ

https://archive.org/details/cognatefamiliesolinc_0/page/n3

This article has been the center of the discussion for almost 100 years.   William Lee, the son of Richard Lee and William Lee of this family have been shown to not be the same person.   With recent Y DNA evidence, it has further been proven that Lincoln was not a descendant of the Lees of Virginia.

by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (875k points)
Yes.  But as I understand it, Lincoln is still descended from William Lee of Richmond Co and Dorothy Taylor, and Dorothy's parents, whoever they were.  It's the alleged ancestry of this William Lee that's discredited.

Barton says Elizabeth Taylor's will mentions only one grandson, William Lee, and 4 great-grandchildren, all children of William.  That agrees with Headley's abstract, though it was written earlier.

He also talks about the will of grandson William Lee (d 1764) which he says mentions 3 of the great-grandchildren, Betsy, Ann and Richard, and says they're still owed the money from his grandmother.
Agreed, RJ, this does show the relationship between Elizabeth and her great granchildren....

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