Have you seen the 30 distinct autosomal populations for Ireland and the Great Britain?

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A new autsomal study which includes different Irish populations:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17124-4

I can only hope LivingDNA will incorporate these new findings.
in The Tree House by Peter Roberts G2G6 Pilot (729k points)
Thank you Peter, just read it now, really interesting.  I think it sets a new standard of analysis, a model of what I hope is carried on around the globe.  I hope the authors are able to collect more testers, especially where they acknowledged weakness, and refine the results even further.

I echo your thought, and the thoughts of Auriette and Ellen below, in hoping these results become publicly available for comparison, both in the major companies producing ethnicity predictions, and perhaps something like generalized GEDmatch kits for each region identified in this report, and perhaps GEDmatch kits for each of the testers (minus any identifying info for those who wish to remain anonymous).  More, I'd like to see an 'open source' database maintained somewhere, with all of the SNP's associated with both ancient and modern populations, and those associated with geocoded locations.  It's probably an impossible dream, as it would involve at least some of the major DNA companies opening up their proprietary databases.  But the current isolation of SNP ethnicity knowledge to independent companies is counter-productive.  If they don't want to share with us (in a public database), then it still would be advantageous, for them and for us, to create private information sharing agreements between their companies, which could produce better predictions for each company.  I hope they are at least trying to gain full access to the testers and results of this Irish study.

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+15 votes
It would be awesome if anyone with DNA results could compare with study participants, even anonymously, to help pinpoint Irish ancestry locations.
by Auriette Lindsey G2G6 Mach 3 (32.9k points)
I agree. I'd love to see this content get added to the reference databases used by ancestry-mapping tools on the testing websites, Gedmatch, etc.
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I can't remember who found this for me but if your Irish and into its history, it's a must see for DNA results.

Brad Larkin - DNA vs the Irish Annals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvYagRMu7b0 published a few years ago but very well presented.

by Richard Devlin G2G6 Pilot (518k points)
DNA plus digging deeper into older Irish legends that predate the Milesian myth, have combined to debunk the Labor Gabala or Book of Invasions. But because it’s all they knew when growing up, some still cling to it instead if trying to keep up with newer works. Brad Larkin has done a little work, but superficial and perhaps aimed at a predetermined outcome. The are far better works around, but they are scientific and nature and require more intellectual effort. It’s worth the effort though. The report in the first known Celtic burials in Ireland, the 4000 year old burials on Rathlin Island, is a good one to start with.
+16 votes
I have a cousin who should have a lot of Norwegian ancestors, since her grandmother was from Norway.  She had taken an Ancestry DNA test, and was fascinated that she "came up about 25% Irish", which was highly puzzling to her, since she hadn't found any Irish ancestors thus far.

I tried to tell her (with my limited DNA understanding) that those kinds of results are highly speculative,.  I said that, not because I understand what I'm saying in the least, but because so many people here -- who seem to understand -- have said so.

Anyway, I cut and pasted the part of the article about the "surprising amount of Norwegian-like ancestry in our Irish clusters" and sent it to her.  The article, like most DNA discussions is mostly beyond my current level of comprehension, but I did pick out the part about the (probable) Vikings from the western coast of Norway having contributed to some of the results in Ireland.

Each day I have a glimmer of additional understanding when it comes to DNA.  Thank you for posting this!

Reba
by R. Greenup G2G6 Mach 7 (73.0k points)

I scratched my head at the comment about "surprising amount of Norwegian-like ancestry," too. Don't understand why it's all that surprising. The Norse, specifically Danes and Norwegians, had a lengthy and pervasive history in England and Ireland from the 8th century through the 11th. The Danelaw was established in England in 886, and the Norse influence--particularly in the English language--is something we carry to this day. Words like sale, anger, sister, skill, birth, sky, and the 3rd-person plural pronouns they, them, and their, to name a few. Heck, the Vikings were the ones who founded the towns of Dublin, Limerick, Cork, Wexford, and others sometime around 915 to 925. They were cut-and-run raiders only in the beginning. By the 10th century they were settlers and neighbors...if not in an always-easy relationship. I would have thought Nordic admixture in Ireland would be entirely expected.

I love the historical and scientific lessons I find in this forum!  I was completely disinterested in both history and science when I was in school, and that's something I regret.

I probably have genealogy to blame/thank for my current interest.

Tidbits like the ones you provided about the language influence, the towns, etc., in your comment above are the kinds of things that feed my fascination. Thank you!

Reba

Thank you, Reba. People who know me will be quick to tell you that I'm positively full of, er, tidbits.

 

 

I always enjoy anything Edison writes.  I'm like Johnny-5 in Short Circuit wanting "Input! Input!", and Edison is constantly a gold mine of input.  I would have commented as he did, but he said it so much better than I could have, with lots of color and facts.

The Vikings collected and scattered genes from northern Russia to the Scandinavian countries, to the British Isles, to the Iberian peninsula, around the Mediterranean, and throughout the Middle East.  They were a 'melting pot' factor wherever they went, and they went far!
You are indeed full of tidbits, Edison!  But I have yet to NOT learn from one of them.  Keep teaching us, Jedi master!  We are eager to learn :-)

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