New Netherland settler to merge: Post-773 (Lodowyck Post) [closed]

Question

Lodowyck Cornelisz Pos/Post from Amsterdam, NL https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Post-773 has a duplicate that needs to be merged.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Post-1966

These profiles are believed to be the same person because they have the same wife (who was merged a while back) and the same son.

I just located the baptisms of their oldest children and Lodowyck is recorded with the secondary name of Cornelisz in the earliest record. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Post-852#Baptism

Lodowyck and Angie/Agnietje's marriage record has not been located. Angie/Agnietje might be English based on the fact that they struggled with the spelling of her names both in the Netherlands and New Netherland. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Post-773#Church_records

So it looks like at this point that his LNAB should be changed to Cornelisz prior to merging?

Are there any issues or concerns? If not, I'll proceed to rename the profile Cornelisz and then merge the profiles in 30 days.

Answer 1

marriage bann of Agniet Bonen and Lodewijk Corneliss

https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/ondertrouwregisters_1565-1811/zoek/query.nl.pl?i1=1&a1=bo*nen&x=20&z=b#OTR00040000269

 

inschrijvingsdatum:

17-11-1640

naam bruidegom:

Corneliss, Lodewijk

naam bruid:

Bonen, Agniet

bronverwijzing:

DTB 454, p.530

opmerkingen:

Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK.

 

 

according to the marriage bann her father is Willem Bonen

Comments

Thanks Heidi !  just was staring at the same one :P Looks like he was indeed from Naarden and a lichtmeester ? Not sure where she was from can you decipher the place ?Could it be Meurs ?  She is assisted by her father Willem Bonen.

Not sure if these are her parents or just a man with a same name, but in 1622 there is a marriage of a Willem Bonen (Bonnen) (occupation, wynklaerer) and a Judith Bekx  

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I also read Meurs as where she was from.

I doubt if the marriage of Willem Bonen en Judith Bekx are her parents since Willem was from Brevoort and I would suspect they would be married near Meurs and not in Amsterdam, else their daughter would be from Amsterdam

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That's fantastic, thank you! So she was probably from Moers (Germany) and he was from Naerden, Holland?

It looks like he signed his name Cornelisz and that would still work as a LNAB? I can see where the transcriber wrote Corneliss.

From https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9QV-39LB?cc=2037985&wc=SM9S-MNP%3A1293193204%2C382015502%2C382338401

Does it look like she signed her name Augoniet?

Also what browser are you guys using to see Archief.amsterdam? I use both Firefox and Chrome and neither are letting me see the records.

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I use Chrome, but it sometimes takes a while and if you can't see them perhaps it's because flash is blocked ? If that's the cause, you can see that inside the beam where the URL is, where you also can see the translate thing, next to it you will then see a thing telling you flash is blocked and you can activate it (right click on it and click activate for now or something if I'm correct).

And Cornelisz is still ok indeed, she signs Angeniet I think, but perhaps it's my mind and because that's how we would spell the name today eeh  ;) Because of the inconsistency in spelling it's always difficult or impossible to tell what was correct or not, those days they sometimes were writing and signing the names different on every new occasion.

Meurs / Moers was a Graafschap (County ?) that for a long period was (ruled by the) Dutch around 1702 it was inherited by the King of Pruissen

Answer 2

Hi Carrie, 

Here it says: research into Naarden Holland church records has revealed Lodewyck's birth and his parents' marriage in that city. So perhaps you can find some records there ?

New Netherland Settlers: Lodewyck Cornelis Post & His Wife Agnietje Bonen Authored by Lorine McGinnis Schulze 

And yes correcting the  LNAB to Cornelisz, looking at the records you found and added so far is just fine 

Comments

Ok, this is weird. I may have located the baptism of Lodowyck. At least I think so because the writing is terrible. I'm assuming it is because the mother's name looks similar to the name of Lodowyck's second daughter, Belitjen.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QV-YQ5P?cc=2037985&wc=SM97-K6D%3A1293193204%2C382015302%2C383426301

But it looks like his father may have been previously married and had an earlier son named Lodowyck.

Marriage, under 19 October https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9QV-YQKR?cc=2037985&wc=SM97-K6D%3A1293193204%2C382015302%2C383426301

Earlier Lodowyck, last entry under 5th of April https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QV-YQ2Q?cc=2037985&wc=SM97-K6D%3A1293193204%2C382015302%2C383426301

If that's the case, I don't see a second marriage to the 'Belitjen'. It also seems that none of these people appear at the baptisms of Lodowyck's children.

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That not weird that's is pretty cool and awesome Carrie :D If Belijtgen Gerrijts was his mother, Belitjen was named after her grandmother, which of course makes sense, there is a Geertje Gerrits witness at the Baptism of daughter Belitjen and it of course also is possible these were two different couples of which the husbands had similar names. Wouldn't be the first time, I even have seen different couples where both the wifes and the husbands had identical names..pretty confusing :P