New Netherland settler to merge: Dereth-1 (Jannetje Derets "de Raedt") [closed]

Question

Jannetje Dereth "de Raedt" from Amsterdam, NL https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dereth-1 has a few duplicates that need to be merged.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Raedt-1
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/DeRaedt-1

These are believed to be the same person as they had the same husband, who has already been merged as he was born in New Netherland, and a matching child.

Jannetje's currently LNAB is the name recorded for her marriage, her first church record. Her baptism record has not been located.

I suspect that her parents were not Dutch as the Plettenburg sisters had a surname (though that could be a false assumption as I see that surname in OpenArch) and there is very little consistency in the spelling of her father's surname in church records. As noted on her father's profile:

"Some of the surnames that are recorded for his daughter are similar to those of Josias Drats, husband of Aeltje Brouwer, who is also indexed under "de Raet" in the Bergen, New Jersey Genealogical Society PDF."

Are there any concerns or issues? If not, I'll proceed to merge the duplicates into in 30 days.

Update: Jannetje's baptism record has been discovered and it appears that her LNAB should be changed to Dret prior to merging.

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These profiles definitely need to be merged. From the Amsterdam baptism record that Heidi found, it appears that her LNAB should be Dret, which is also a name that appears in a number of the records in New Netherland. I agree with Carrie that her parents probably were not Dutch; they may have been somewhat transient residents of Amsterdam.

It appears to me that, at the moment, the profile for her father conflates information about two different men of similar names, who both apparently lived in New Netherland. One of them, Jan Dareth, was married to Rijkje Van Dijck in New Amsterdam in November 1654. Both Jan Dareth and his wife were recorded as from Utrecht. The other man was this woman's father. Since this woman was baptized in Amsterdam in January 1655, her father cannot have been the same man who married in New Amsterdam two months earlier.

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Comparing all records,so including the church records from after the emigration,it looks like the last name Dret is the one that was used or how the last name was spelled most frequent for or by Jannetgen Dret as well ?

I have added the baptism record to her profile,and added the marriage record of her parents only to her mothers profile. Also was looking for a baptism record for Rijckien van Dijck and found one from 1629 in Utrecht,so it might be our Rijckien,but the parents in other sources are different,so not sure..

Answer 1

Baptisimal record of Jannetgen, 6 januari 1655 Amsterdam
father Johannes Drets, mother Grietgen Plettenburgh
https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/doopregisters_1564-1811/zoek/query.nl.pl?i1=1&a1=plettenburgh&r1=47&x=19&z=a#000000048106

(second left bottom)

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Thanks! This is her baptism.

Unfortunately, when I click on that link to access the record in Firefox, I get a blank screen with the message "wachten op laden van viewer (status: loaded)," which in English indicates "Waiting for viewer to load (status: loaded)," but it loads in Chrome. The index record on the website says:

kind: Jannetge

doopdatum: 06-01-1655

kerk: Noorderkerk

godsdienst: Hervormd

vader: Dret, Johannes

moeder: Plettenburgh, Grietgen

bronverwijzing: DTB 76, p.22

Archief van de Burgerlijke Stand: doop-, trouw- en begraafboeken van Amsterdam (retroacta van de Burgerlijke Stand)
Doopregister: NL-SAA-24428003

I agree (based on comparison with some first names on the record that clearly end with "t") with the index transcriptionist that the father's name on that record ends with a t, not an s, so it's Dret.

The facts that (1) neither parent used a patronymic name and (2) this is the only baptism record in the archive that is indexed with the name "Dret" add support to Carrie's supposition that this woman's parents were not Dutch.

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I believe the third name (below the names of the parents) on that baptism registration is the name of a sponsor or witness. This person's last name is Plettenburgh. Can someone decipher the first name?

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The name looks a bit similar to Grietgen, but a bit different and indeed hard to decipher, here's the marriage record for Grietgen and Johannes 

inschrijvingsdatum: 08-08-1652 naam bruidegom: Dreeth, Johannes or  naam bruidegom: Dret, Johannes 

naam bruid: Plettenberg, Grietje

bronverwijzing: DTB 470, p.128 (scan left page middle entry) Spelling of the last Name in the actual record looks indeed to be Dret or at least  that's how it was written (some names were Dutchified, so the actual or original name might have been a different one... for example some people with last names like Geelhuys or Geelhuysen originally were from Gildehaus) but it's spelled Dret in both . Looks like the Dreeth spelling was the one from his signature, but not sure if he was such a great writer, because his first names are not so clear or making much sense.

I found some info for a famous von Plettenberg family, they were from Westfalen Munster.

Looking at the record of the marriage, I'm not sure where it says they were from because it's hard to decipher, it might be Munster, but could be a totally different place, perhaps someone else can read it. But it does say he had no parents and she was assisted by her father Joost Plettenberg 

opmerkingen: Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. Archief van de Burgerlijke Stand: doop-, trouw- en begraafboeken van Amsterdam (retroacta van de Burgerlijke Stand) Ondertrouwregister: NL-SAA-26430300

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Here's the marriage in Utrecht  20-05-1628 of a Joost Plettenberch and Jannechjen Jans he marries with attestation from Gouda and it says he was from Oldenburch and she is from Emden

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The witness' name looks something like Agen? If so that's a third, unknown to this point, Plettenburg and might be a hint leading to the rest of the family. Edit: Er, except Bea's got the parents back to their marriage.

Grietje came to New Netherland with her (assumed) sister Belitie, and hardly anything is known about them.

I had made a placeholder profile a while back for their father https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Plettenburg-24 Maybe that can be changed to Joost, though it's not 100% certain that he is Belitie's father as well.

Belitie named her first and last child/daughter Etge and Etje. She only had daughters, named Etge, Jannetie, Aeltie, Jacomyntie and Etje.

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Also nice find, Heidi! Thank you.

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the witness name is Etgen Plettenburgh

found a marriage of Eijtje Joostes Plettenburgs with Andries Adriaens Crats in Amsterdam, 17 july 1655.

Her father was Joost Plettenburgs.

She was from Utrecht

A sister of Grietgen, since Etgen, Etje and Eijtje are the same name in that period?

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Awesome!

Could this be Belitie's baptism?

Father
Joost van Plettenborch
Mother
Janneken Joosten

Child (female)
Beliken van Plettenborch

Witness
Grietgen Hermans

https://www.openarch.nl/show.php?archive=hua&identifier=08977DA9-1B5C-7BDD-E053-4701000A4B62&lang=en&six=2

Also Jan and Grietje had twins Jacob and Isack before emigrating

https://www.openarch.nl/show.php?archive=saa&identifier=74c5d446-fbed-d6b1-13c6-d066ef95e30a&lang=en&six=1
https://www.openarch.nl/show.php?archive=saa&identifier=7e92ebb3-1bd7-69ac-ba02-1a68e5b07faf&lang=en&six=2

06 Jan 1655 Jannetje
14 Sep 1657 Jacob and Isack

Maybe Neijsen 12 Apr 1656 if Dijrkesz = Dreth? Because from other records, Jan's patronymic was Jansz.
https://www.openarch.nl/show.php?archive=saa&identifier=496e9d6d-9836-8483-f219-7838ccfbc55e&lang=en&six=343
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9QK-V3P3?cc=2037985&wc=SM9H-MJS%3A1293193204%2C382015502%2C382186001

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Woohoo great finds everyone and this quick eeh supers ! And yes Belitgen was a child of Joost Plettenburg and Janneken Joosten (Jannechgjen Jans mentioned here with husbands first name as last name/patronymic) 

Doopinschrijving Beliken van Plettenborch, 10-03-1629 (see the scan as well)