Did John Smith and Pocahontas have a child Peregrine Smith?

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WikiTree profile: Peregrine Smith
in Genealogy Help by Eddie King G2G6 Pilot (716k points)
recategorized by Jillaine Smith

I've added the Maryland tag, hoping to get Jack Day's attention since this line involves an early settler of Cecil Co., Maryland, William Smith https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Smith-10515

I took a look at Peregrine Smith (who has the advantage of an unusual name) and started adding some research notes.  I'm away from my Maryland library at the moment but I'll take a look at William too.  Hopefully some of the sources that address one will also address the others!

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After some research, my answer to the presenting question is an emphatic "no."  None of the available information on various popular genealogies for "Peregrine Smith" checks out, and I have presented him in another G2G post for disproven existence status.  .  

However the myth of Peregrine Smith was created, and whoever created it, it's a fascinating blend of plausible fictions.  Pocahontas indeed knew Captain John Smith; but he was 20 years older and she looked on him as she would a father.  Pocahontas did go to England as the wife of John Rolfe and with their son Thomas -- if she already had a son Peregrine, what did she do with him?   Captain John Smith's family was indeed associated with the Bertie family -- they were tenants on the Bertie estates;  Peregrine really was a name -- the name of Mary Bertie's grandfather Peregrine Bertie.  But Mary Bertie did not marry a Peregrine Smith (who would have probably been beneath her station if he had existed) but rather married John Hewitt and Abraham Shipman. There was indeed a William Smith who died in Cecil County, Maryland -- but his father was probably Thomas Smith, not Peregrine.  And they were indeed all from England, but the Bertie estates in Lincolnshire are a long way from the Thomas Smith family in Glastonbury, Somerset.  

Dennis Stewart, is there a way to access your book or sources?  You obviously believe differently than my conclusions and have put a lot of work into it.  I will want to give your work full credit in the Research Notes of the various profiles involved.

I've created several new profiles in this endeavor and updated some others, and I'll now be reviewing all the comments and suggestions in this thread to make sure they're addressed somewhere as this can of worms is put to some kind of rest!

For all those who believe differently than my conclusions, changes are always possible on WikiTree with the exception of merges, which cannot be undone.  This is one reason that the Research Notes section of a Disproven Existence profile should always contain links to the person who used to be related, so those relationships can be restored when reliable sourcing is presented to change a conclusion.
by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (479k points)
selected by Jillaine Smith
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No. Pocahontas had one child, Thomas, with her husband John Rolfe.  No others.
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Yes, Pocahontas had a child.  But no, he was NOT John Smith's.  He was John Rolfe's, as Kpf said.
by J-M Mustchin-Gibson-Mooney G2G6 Mach 1 (10.9k points)
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While the parents have been detached, this does raise the question of Peregrine's existence.  I'd like to see stronger sources than what we've got there now.
by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (936k points)
Detach the Virginia Peregrine and merge with the Connecticut Peregrine ?
Detach children of Virginia Peregrine ? Bios say born in England ?
The WILLIAM listed as son of Virginia Peregrine appears to have been a Quaker.  Quaker Meeting Records , maybe ?


QUAKER ARRIVALS AT PHILADELPHIA 1682-1750, by Albert Cook Myers,
published in 1902..
Certificates of Removal
William Smith (the elder) wife and family mm at Glastenbury,
Somersetshire, England 6mo 14 1699 England
===
Gwen Boyer Bjorkman, "A Quaker Smith Family" The Quaker Yeomen 13 (Apr
1986) p. 5.
===
William Smith, a Quaker, brought a certificate to Philadelphia for
himself and his wife and family, dated 1699, from Glastonbury Monthly
Meeting in Somersetshire, England. Some fifty miles southwest of
Philadelphia, in the northeast corner of the state of Maryland, lies
the County of Cecil. It was here, in Cecil County, Maryland, that
William Smith wrote his will 1708-Sep-20. It was proved 1710-May-20.
He leaves to his second son and heirs 1000 acres and a dwelling
plantation; to his daughter Mary, wife of John Hayet and to his
granddaughter, Hannah, daughter of his son William, personality, which
meant personal property. The executors were his wife Grace and his son
John. The witnesses were his son William Smith and David Evans.
===
It is significant that the John "Hayet" named in the will becomes John
"Hiatt" in further court procedings regarding the will. John and Mary
Hiatt were married in England and their first deed in Bucks County,
Pennsylvania was in 1699, the same year that William and Grace Smith
brought their certificate to Philadelphia. It seems quite possible
that they may have come together to Pennsylvania.
===
 

That's this one

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Smith-2067

He was real.  Probably still in his teens when he died.

We have some confusion over dates here. Apparently Peregrine died before his father.

 

PS how come after I post, there are previous posts that weren't there before?

 

Peregrine, son of Henry, is mentioned in Henry's will, but in a way that suggests he was no longer living: 

that she give to my sonne Samuell that part of my howselott which was intended for my sonne Peregrine

Back to the Virginia man, I've posted a comment on son William seeking evidence for the identification of his parents.

We're told that William Smith arrived in 1699 with a cert for himself and his wife and family, but nobody's quoting it and we don't know what family is specified.

There seems to be no record of his marriage.  No idea where the maiden name of his wife is coming from.

We have his will, 1708, proved 1710.  This is the source for his daughter marrying John Hyatt.

He's in Maryland by 1703.  No appearances in Quaker records.  I don't think he ever was a Quaker really.  You didn't have to be, they were desperate for anybody they could get.

The whole Peregrine thing is just a hopelessly contrived fantasy. It's not like Peregrine is a real person with made-up parents.  He's made up to fit the required parents.  Somebody's grandma told her that her ancestor called Smith was descended from John Smith and an Indian girl.  Grandma didn't mention Pocahontas.  Probably didn't mention any particular John Smith.
So we should detach Peregrine Smith from any relationships (but with links included in the narrative), plaster caveats all over his profile, including the Unproven existence template (already there).
I have been told all of my life that I descend form Capt. John Smith who was in Jamestown, Va.  My Gt. Gt. Grandfather was Perrygoine Smith, that is really close to the name Peregrine Smith.  I have to wonder if there is a connection.  My Perrygoine was born  in 1808 Va.
There is material on Geni which distinguishes between a Virginia Peregrine and a Connecticut Peregrine.  While Geni itself is not a trusted source for answers to anything, the fact that it acknowledges questions means that the questions should be addressed before any effort is made to merge the Connecticut and Virginia Peregrines.
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Dennis  Stewart  here (aka  Summerville  Petty) author of the  booklet  "Pocahontas'  Lost  Children".  I  will  say  I  wish  that  the  Peregrine  Smith  question  had  remained  within  the  confines  of  my  book.  Unfortunately,  someone  put  it  on  Wikitree  with  no  attempt  to  justify  it  by,  at  least,  some  legal  argument.  The  honor  code  requires  sources.  I  will  try  to  show  the  profile  has  merit  though  not  an  easy  task  writing  within  these  space  limitations.  My  2  main  citations  are  Smith's  General  History  of  Virginia,  and,  Proceedings  of  the  English  Colony  in  Virginia (1612).  Many  would  regard  this  subject  as  conjecture. But  recall  evolution  is  a  theory  which  many  deem  as  fact.  In  "True  Relations...as  Hath  Happened  in  Virginia",  it  begins  "Somwhat  more  was  by  him (Smith) written...I  would  not  adventure  to  make  it  publicke".  The  life  expectancy  of  Indian  people  in  1600  was  about  30  years  so  they  all  had  to  grow  up  faster.  Pocahontas  had  a  sister  who  married  at  age  11.  Smith  gave  the  age  of  Pocahontas  in  1607  as  10  years  old,  then  later  revised  her  age  to  13  in  a  letter  to  Queen  Anne  in  1616,  "That  some  ten  yeeres  agoe(1607)being  in  Virginia..Pocahontas..a  childe  of  twelve  or  thirteen  yeeres  of  age".  Why  did  Smith  change  her  age?  He  had  been  accused  of  trying  to  make  himself  king  "..by  marrying  Pocahontas".  Of  course  he  was  not.  But  this  indicates  evidence  of  something  going  on  between  them.  The  ploy  failed  and  once  the  danger  was  well  passed  Smith  gave  her  true  age  to  Queen  Anne.  Richard  Potts  &  Wm.  Phettiplace  who  arrived  on  the  first  supply  in  1608  stated  Pocahontas  was  "at  most  not  past  13  or  14  years."  Secretary  Strachey  was  later  informed  that  'Pocahontas(was)a well  featured  but  wanton  young  girle."  The  term  "wanton"  has  sexual  connotations.  After  Smith's  initial  capture  on  Dec.  30,  1607  he  was  saved  by  drama  queen  Pocahontas,  or,  it  was  all  just  a  simulation  in  ritual.  Chief  Powhatan  brought  Smith  into  his  immediate  family  and  "esteemed  him  his  "sonne".  He  also  gave  Smith  a  new  name  "Nantiquoid",  including  a  territory  to  control.  Smith  also  described  the  bathing  practices  of  the  Indians  there.  Now,  9  months  later (time  of  a  woman's  gestation  period) in  Sep.  1608 (estimated time  of  Peregrine's  birth) Pocahontas  arrived  at  Smith's  camp  with  an  erotic  parade,  "..these  nymphes  more  tormented  him (Smith) than  ever,  with  crowding,  pressing,  and  hanging  about  him,  most  tediously  crying,  Love  you  not  me?".  At  another  time  Pocahontas  had  risked  her  life  to  warn  Smith  and  his  party  of  a  coming  ambush.  Smith  said  she  was  crying  tears.  No  doubt,  these  two  had  been  involved.  After  Smith  went  back  to  England  Pocahontas  kept  visiting  the  Jamestown  Fort  to  inquire  of  Smith.  The  settlers  always  lied  to  her  by  saying  he  was  dead.  So,  why  would  their  son  be  named  "Peregrine"?  Well,  Smith's  sponsor  was  Baron  Peregrine  Bertie.  In  1608 (the  est.  time  of  Peregrine's  birth) Smith  was  exploring  a  region  in  what  is  now  Maryland.  He  named  the  high  mountain  there  "Peregrine's  Mountain".  This  place  is  now  Cecil  County,  Maryland.  Okay,  lets  fast  forward  for  a  moment.  There  was  a  college  professor  Dr.  Joseph  Copeland  who  claimed  descent  from  Smith  and  Pocahotas  through  a  Peregrine  Smith.  He  was  a  teacher  at  City  College  in  NY  and  became  acting  president  during  the  1969  race  riots.  He  asserted  he  had  the  "proof"  that  his  family  tradition  was  true  and  intended  to  publish  his  findings.  However,  he  died  before  that  happened (Oh  I  know  'How  convenient').  His  record  proven  ancestor  was  a  William  Smith,  whom  he  said  was  a  son  of  Peregrine.  Well,  guess  what,  when  this  William  Smith  first  came  to  Maryland  in  1703  where  do  they  settle?-----Peregrine's  Mountain  as  proven  by  deed.  Plus,  the  information  was  passed  down  of  their  lineage,  and  William's  descendants  also  show  Native  American  residue  in  their  DNA  testing.  But  keep  in  mind  that  Smith  and  Pocahontas  were  not  chic  celebrities  in  1703.  It  would  take  another  150  years  for  them  to  be  generally  famous.  By  this  route  Copeland  claimed  Smith  and  Pocahontas  as  progenitors.  There  is  no  tradition  in  Indian  lore (that  I  know  of) that  Smith  had  a  child  with  Pocahontas.  But  by  the  same  token  there  is  no  information  who  Powhatan's  parents  were  or  who  Pocahontas'  mother  really  was.  Though  Wikitree  does  not  recognize  family  traditions  any  way.  So,  why  did  not  standard  Anglo  history  books  record  this ?  Because  it  was  not  transmitted  down.  Why  not?  Pocahontas  was  being  used  by  the  London  Company  as  a  marketing  ploy  to  promote  investment  in  the  "New  World".  She  became  the  poster  child  for  the  "Civilized"  Indian.  They  crafted  her  image  as  the  new  Christian  native,  the  virgin  "Princess"  of  Virginia  who  would  bring  two  nations  together.  Therefore,  any  earlier  liaison  with  the  hated  Smith  had  to  be  covered  up.  There  is  more  to  this  story  in  my  book.  But,  based  on  these  few  facts  summarized  I  believe  that  Peregrine  Smith  should  be  restored  as  the  "Uncertain"  son  of  Cap.  John  Smith  &  Pocahontas. There is no reason to think Doctor Copeland just made up a fictional person.      Dennis  C.  Stewart.
by Dennis Stewart G2G Crew (650 points)

Thanks, Dennis; let me see if I can extract the key elements of your case in the order you presented them, and let's try to get more specific about where each piece comes from and how it is interpreted:

  1. "Somwhat  more  was  by  him (Smith) written...I  would  not  adventure  to  make  it  publicke".  <ref>Author, "True  Relations...as  Hath  Happened  in  Virginia" in ...? Publisher?, Date?, page ?</ref>
  2. Pocahontas' sister had a child when she was 11. What is the source for a) the identity of a sister,  b) that she had a child, and c) the sister's age when she had this child?
  3. Pocahontas was at least 11 when she met and knew Smith, and therefore was likely to have had a child before her marriage to John Rolfe.
  4. What's the source for: "He  had  been  accused  of  trying  to  make  himself  king  "..by  marrying  Pocahontas". "
  5. "Secretary  Strachey  was  later  informed  that  'Pocahontas(was)a well  featured  but  wanton  young  girle.' "  What is the source for this statement? Strachey was informed by whom? The  term  "wanton"  has  sexual  connotations today, but what did it connote back in the early 1600s?
  6.  We have the story of John Smith's encounter with Powhatan and Pocahontas' intervention. This has been interpreted in multiple different ways over the centuries; historians have suggested that Smith over-dramatized the encounter for his own gain. He reported that she cried tears. (I encourage you to avoid terms like "drama queen" re: Pocahontas; we should avoid using slang contemporary to our time when describing historical individuals who would not have used such terms.)
  7. 30 Dec 1607 [source for this date?] "Chief  Powhatan  brought  Smith  into  his  immediate  family, gave  Smith  a  new  name  "Nantiquoid",   and  "esteemed  him  his  "sonne". "  (and gave him property) Where does all this come from?
  8. Nine  months  later (Sep.  1608), Pocahontas  arrived  at  Smith's  camp  with  an  erotic  parade,  "..these  nymphes  more  tormented  him (Smith) than  ever,  with  crowding,  pressing,  and  hanging  about  him,  most  tediously  crying,  Love  you  not  me?". What is the source for this quote?
  9. "After  Smith  went  back  to  England  Pocahontas  kept  visiting  the  Jamestown  Fort  to  inquire  of  Smith. "   What is the source that she kept visiting Jamestown? What is the source for the claim that she inquired of Smith when she kept visiting Jamestown? What is the source for "The  settlers  always  lied  to  her  by  saying  he  was  dead. " ?
  10. "Pocahontas  was  being  used  by  the  London  Company  as  a  marketing  ploy  to  promote  investment  in  the  "New  World".  She  became  the  poster  child  for  the  "Civilized"  Indian.  They  crafted  her  image  as  the  new  Christian  native,  the  virgin  "Princess"  of  Virginia  who  would  bring  two  nations  together.  Therefore,  any  earlier  liaison  with  the  hated  Smith  had  to  be  covered  up." 
If I understand you correctly, you add 1-10 above to conclude that Pocahontas had a child by Smith born about September 1608.  You then go on to theorize that the child was a male named Peregrine because:
  • Smith's  sponsor  was  Baron  Peregrine  Bertie. Source?
  • In  1608 (the  est.  time  of  Peregrine's  birth) Smith  was  exploring  a  region  in  what  is  now  Maryland.  He  named  the  high  mountain  there  "Peregrine's  Mountain". Source?
  • A 20th century college  professor , Dr.  Joseph  Copeland,   claimed  descent  from  Smith  and  Pocahotas  through  a  Peregrine  Smith who had a son named William Smith; that William Smith first  came  to  Maryland  in  1703  where  do  they  settle?-----Peregrine's  Mountain  as  proven  by  deed. Source for Deed? Source for claims made by Dr. Joseph Copeland? [Ah, I see there's a note on John Smith's profile regarding where this came from.]  Do we have a wikitree profile for this William Smith?
    • If William Smith was an adult in 1703, he was born by 1682-- his father would have been born by about 1655, far later than the Peregrine Smith you're estimating was born Sept 1608. [I see the notes on John Smith's profile suggest an additional generation in between via a Peregrine Jr.]. Is there any documentation that supports the existence of any Peregrine Smith (Sr or Jr) in either Maryland or Virginia?
  • Descendants of William Smith of Maryland show Native American markers in their DNA. Where is this documented?
WikiTree does leave room for discussion of divergent theories.  We start them here, as we have done. We "double click" onto each of the claims to see how strong the evidence and argument is. We then summarize the results in sections in the narrative of the pertinent profiles.  There is already a disputed theory that many descendants believe that Pocahontas had an earlier child by a Native American named Kokoum; some say the child was a girl, some say a boy. 

Here's the profile of Cecil Co., Maryland, William Smith, son of a Peregrine Smith:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Smith-10515

Put everything Research Notes before adding and subtracting relatives;  resolve all questions before doing irrevocable mergers!
I was told from a young age that we were related to Captain John Smith of Jamestown, Va. and the name Peregrine Smith is so close to my Gt. Gt. Grandfather's name.  He was named Perrygoine Smith, sometimes spelled Perygoine.  I can't help but wonder about the closeness of the two names. Maybe my Gt. Gt. Gt. Grandparents weren't sure how to spell it.
Whether  or  not  Pocahontas  really  saved  Smith  has  no  bearing  on  whether  or  not  they  were  ever  intimate  in  the  time  he  was  in  Va.  Smith  was  a  soldier  and  not  overly  anxious  to  admit  a  girl  saved  him  unless  it  was  really  just  a  ritual  mock  execution.  According  to  Strachey  writing  in  1616  After  Smith  left  Pocahontas    married  later  an  Indian  named  Kocuum.  A  Ken  wrote  on  the  net  20  years  ago,  "Are  we  to  believe  that  when  she  married  John  Rolfe  she  got  pregnant  right  away  and  in  the  three  years  she  was  supposedly  married  to  Kocuum  she  had  no  children?"  Great  point.  Before  I  answer  the  rebuttal  let  me  again  state  my  3  general  sources /  "The  Historie  of  Travaile  into  Virginia  Britania" (1612),  by  colony  secretary  Wm.  Strachey,  "The  Generall  Historie  of  Virginia..",  by  Capt.  John  Smith (1624),  "The  Proceedings  of  the  English  Colony  in  Virginia" 1612.  Also,  "A  True  Relation  of  Such  Occurrences  and  Accidents  of  Noate  as  Hath  Happened  in  Virginia" (pub. 1608),  by  Smth  &  others.  This  later  source  opens  "Somewhat  more  was  by  him  written,  which  being  I  thought  fit  to  be  private  I  would  not  adventure  to  make  it  publick."  Published  by  John  Tappe  in  London.  I  interpret  this  that  Smith  did  some  things  not  appropriate  for  the  English  reading  public.  Okay,  I  did  not  write  that  Pocahontas  sister  had  a  child  at  age  11--I  wrote  she  was --married--at  age  11.  The  citation  is  the  Smith  General  History  but  the  sister's  name  is  not  given.  That  Smith  was  trying  to  marry  Pocahontas  comes  from  Strachey (1612).  Did  the  term  "Wanton"  have  a  sexual  connotation  back  then?  Answer:  Shakespeare ("Lear"  1605),  Wanton  meant  also  "especially  lascivious,  lewd  person"(Google).  That  fits  Alogonkian  sex  culture.  Using  the  term  "drama  queen".  Answer:  My  readers  are  21st  Century  people,  not  17th  Century.  It  was  appropriate.  Your  questions:  Pocahontas  crying,  Smith  captured  Dec.  1607,  Smith  spending  2  nights  in  Werocomoco,  how  Powhatans  cleaned  themselves,  9  months  later  Pocahontas  visits  the  Smith  camp  with  naked  women,  Powhatan  calls  Smith  "sonne",  gives  him  an  Indian  name  and  a  territory  to  control,  Pocahontas  visiting  Jamestown  repeatedly  to  inquire  of  Smith,  Pocahontas  angry  at  Smith  for  3  hours  in  England  because  he  took  so  long  to  visit  her (even  though  she  was  married  to  Rolfe,  what   would  it  matter  unless..),----ALL----of  this  comes  from  John  Smith's  General  History  of  Virginia (1624).  That  Baron  Willoughby  Peregrine  Bertie  was  a  benefactor  of  John  Smith  also  from  the  General  History  of  Virginia,  example,  "At  length  he  succeeded  in  attending  Peregrine  Bertie,  second  son  of  Lord  Willoughby".  The  source  that  Capt.  Smith  in  1608  named  Peregrine  Mt.  and  Willoughby  River  in  what  became  Maryland,  that  William  Smith  and  son  John  Smith  moved  there  in  1703,  comes  from  the  book (including  deed  abstracts),  "History  of  Cecil  County,  Maryland",  by  George  Johnston.  You  brought  up  the  age  numbers  question.  We  think  William  Smith  was  an  older  man  when  he  came  to  MD  in  1703  because  he  died  7  years  later ("Cecil  County,  Maryland  Wills,  1675-1753",  by  Keddie).  William's  age  is  usually  estimated  at  c1650,  therefore  his  father  could  have  been  in  his  early  40's  when  he  had  William,  or,  perhaps,  Peregrine  Smith  born  c1608,  son  William  Smith  born  c1649 (?).  There  is  a  Wikitree  profile  on  William,  though,  not  well-developed.  Doctor  Joseph  J.  Copeland (also  a  Quaker)  died  1990  in  Lakewood,  NJ.  The  best  person  to  consult  on  his  life  is  Larry  Anderson  of  Pocatello,  Idaho,  who  has  been  in  touch  with  that  family  in  the  past.  Due  to  privacy  issues  I  cannot  give  out  the  names  of  persons  and  DNA  results.  Though  the  DNA  was  helpful,  it  of  itself  does  not  prove  the  question.  I  would  like  to  edit  the  Peregrine  Smith  Wikitree  profile  and  add  the  above  souces.  Correct  me  if  I'm  wrong,  but  I  was  told  that  the  profile  once  had  him  as  the  uncertain  son  of  Cap.  Smith  &  Pocahontas,  but  it  was  removed.  Predicated  on  the  citations  given  here  I (and  many  others) would  desire  that  Peregrine  be  restored  as  the  "uncertain"  son  of  Cap.  John  Smith  &  Matoaka / Pocahontas.
Wikitree is supposed to be based on facts and documentation, which don’t exist here.  This looks like information that could go on a free-space page for those who are interested or who want to try to find actual records.
One mistake I made here is the charge that Smith wanted to marry Pocahontas is from the 1612 Proceedings, not Strachey. The reason Wikitree has the category "uncertain" is for profiles like this. Dennis.
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This mentions the mysterious Dr. Copeland:

  https://www.indianreservations.net/2018/10/peregrine-smith-son-of-pocahontas-and.html

https://americanjourneys.org/pdf/AJ-074.pdf Jpjm Smith's True Relation  It is interesting that the story of Pocahontas saving him is missing from his own narrative.  

http://hiattfamily.org/gen/lda-2014-10-03/aqwn1038.htm  this is from the Hyatt or Hiatt Family Org website. It says the story of John Smith and Pocahontas having 2 children is speculation.  And admits no proof exists.  See write up for both Mary and Peregrine Smith.  

http://digital.lib.lehigh.edu/trial/pocahontas/bib.php  compendium of sources

by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (857k points)
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Once a controversy has arisen about a profile, especially one that is pre-1700, it needs to be carefully re-written with in-line citations giving a reliable source for each fact in the biography.  n

All material which does not have a reliable source needs to be moved to a section on ==Research Notes==.  The material on "life and legends" in the current biography sourced with the National Park Service needs to be moved to Research Notes unless more reliable sourcing can be found.  

This discussion is a good illustration of how "he said, she said" arguments can develop when sources are treated as equals.  The better discussion -- which is much less likely to degenerate into an argument -- is one in which the sources themselves are compared.  It is more easy to agree that a primary source appearing near the time of an event is more trustworthy than a secondary source written a century later, and a discussion about sources is ultimately much more useful the integrity of our common family tree!

I don't see any primary source indicating that John Smith and Pocahontas married, and certainly no primary source that they had a child.  There is no primary source found so far to indicate that Peregrine Smith of Virginia (in distinction from Peregrine Smith of Connecticut) existed.  

I have been doing a bit of sleuthing about William Smith, purported son of Peregrine, and the better sources for him suggest his origin in Glastonbury, England, and I think the documentation will soon be on William's profile justifying his severance from Peregrine.
by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (479k points)
Mr.  Day,  thank  you  for  editing  the  profile  for  this  Wm.  Smith.  I  too  had  Wm.  as  the  Quaker  from  Somerset,  Eng.  in  my  book.  The  source  you  gave  was  good  for  this  Thomas  Smith,  but  you  wrote  he  was  "probably"  the  father  of  Wm.  Since  its  -probably-  should  we  not  list  Thomas  on  Wikitree  as  the  "uncertain"  father ?  One  thing  did  give  me  pause.  Wm.  Smith (d. 1710) seems (?) not  to  have  named  a  son Thomas (nor  did  he  name  a  son  Peregrine).  Is  it  possible  that  Thomas  could  have  been  an  uncle  to  Wm.?  Since  Wm.  Smith  is  a  common  name  and  no  trace  of  wife  Grace  was  seen  then  I  thought  that  the  "uncertain"  flag  would  be  best.  I  agree  though  that  this  Thomas  could  still  be  the  father.  If  we  only  knew  where  these  Smiths  were  before  they  came  to  Somerset,  which  is  about  130  miles  west  of  London.  Wm.  had  a  brother (or  cousin) named  George  Smith.  I  cannot  help  but  recall  that  Capt.  John  Smith's  father  was  George  Smith.  So,  I  still  think  the  old  Smith / Hiatt  tradition  is  still  in  play.  Larry  Anderson,  of  Pocatello,  Idaho,  descends  from  these  Smith's  via  the  Hiatts.  He  told  me  his  DNA  test  showed  a  trace  of  Native  American,  which  may  or  may  not  pertain  to  the  question.  A  great  quandary  of  remote  genealogy  is  when  family  tradition  encounters  age-old  record  loss.  This  results  in  two  camps,  people  looking  for  reasons  to  believe  vs.  people  looking  for  reasons  not  to  believe.  At  that  point  genealogy  begins  to  resemble  actual  religion.  And  that  can  bring  out  the  worst  in  people.              Dennis
Thanks, Dennis, but I'm really in the midst of the edits at this point -- I think there is some amount of "low-hanging fruit" out there in terms of sources with some degree of credibility, which in turn may lead to even better sources.

I'm a firm believer that no profile on WikiTree -- or anywhere else, is ever "finished."

The first thing is finding statements that can be supported with a reliable citation.  I figured I had enough to detach William Smith from Peregrine, but do consider all the rest of it to be still in process!
The vicar of Butleigh, Somerset, a John Radford, for some odd reason did not keep a single record from 1677 until 1714.  Dennis.

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