did people lie about where they were born during the civil war and reconstruction?

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For example if they lived in the south but had been born in the north... did people maybe lie about it and say they were born in a southern state on censuses ? (Or vice versa)

I ask this because I have a brick wall that I have found records stating he is was born in about 1799 in north Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee. He lived most his life in Tennessee and died there. But I have be unsuccessful in finding his parents.

But I think I may have found him but being born in Pennsylvania.

Just curious about anyone's thoughts
WikiTree profile: James Stults
in Genealogy Help by Stephanie Stults G2G6 Mach 4 (43.1k points)
edited by Stephanie Stults
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What is his name and what year was he born, married and when did he die?

James Stults/Stultz born abt 1798

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stults-209

Married Fannie Davis 12 Dec 1820 in Roane County Tennessee

Died before 1880 guessing Tennessee, since fanny is in the 1880 census as a widow still in Tennessee.

6 Answers

+13 votes
Galvanized Yankees (Confededate prisoners who fought for the USA) often moved away from home and changed their surnames.  They can be very difficult to uncover.  You have to be an Investigator as well as a genealogist. One way to find out if that is the situation, they often receive a pension from both the USA and CSA.

Another possibility is that he was born in that corner that went from being Virginia to NC to Tennessee. Remember all land grants in TN were granted by North Carolina. The border between NC and VA wasn't settled before grants to TN started. It is a typical problem of southern genealogy.

It's so bad that SC and NC just settled their border January 1, 2017 - yes I mean this year. The problem is that whatever the area is called at the time will effect where official records are stored. This requires a little research.

Good luck!  It takes persistence!!! If you put what you know here or link to the profile where the info is, our excellent genealogists will take up the challenge!!
by Paula J G2G6 Pilot (284k points)
+8 votes
A key question is, "Did people lie to the census-taker?"

Several ancestors changed their birthdates -- in 1850 they might be 30, and then in 1860 they are 35.  Two ancestors born in Canada started listing their birthplace as England.  

Then we have the rather common situation where the enumerator writes down the best (Anglicized) version of a name he can manage.  A family named De La Croix became "Dilliecrox" and "Delicrox" (Argh!).  My ancestor, surnamed Boutellier, became "Butler".  Last week, I found an "Ayers" I was looking for in Otswego, New York.  In two consecutive census records, 10 years apart, he was listed as "Harris".  I turned off my computer and left it alone for a bit.   

Dave Berry, a writer, used to say, "I am not making this up!"  LOL!
by Janine Barber G2G6 Pilot (236k points)
Same family:

*1920 Olivant

*1910 Olivent

*1900 Olisent

*1880 Olivant

*1870 Olivent

*1860 Olvient

*1850 L- something

*1840 Olivant

Years of birth are all over also. Yeah. Census workers of the 19th century~ I'll bet they never once thought anyone would read them!
This makes me smile because sometimes census information unwinds an incredible journey of families; sometimes obscures the truth.

I winced to learn that some enumerators would water down the ink so it would last longer.  Little did they know people like us would be squinting at their words two hundred years later!

In 1811-2, in Baddeck, Nova Scotia, an enumerator recorded:

"His wife left him for another man".  When I found this record, it opened a huge door.  This was my fourth Great Grandfather, who had stood at the Battle of Saratoga with his father.
+10 votes
Don't overlook the possibility that the birthplaces were fabricated by a lazy census-taker. I recently encountered a couple of old U.S. census sheets that recorded everybody on the page -- or even on multiple pages -- with the same birthplace (also with their parents born in that same place), although it was clear from other records that a number of the people had been born somewhere else. One of these was in post-Civil War Kentucky and the other was in Vermont (no geographic pattern). I attributed the errors to lazy census-takers, not lying residents.
by Ellen Smith G2G Astronaut (1.6m points)
edited by Ellen Smith
These types of inconsistencies can be wonderfully noted in the bio.  I use a level 3 heading for Notes.

One of my favorite locations found on several census records of Quaker ancestors in Canada is "All places agricultural."
Ellen, I can picture this -- sitting down in the shade of a tree, looking at the clouds, and filling out a form inaccurately.  

Grins, Janine
Oh! How horrid!
+7 votes
Stephanie, the three answers so far all raise valid possibilities. I've personally seen evidence of lazy census takers, where all locations were local, even for confirmed immigrants. And ages can vary widely from one census to the next -- I found one case where a person had only aged 3 years in ten -- and at the next census had aged another 16 years in ten! I think this could also be attributed to who the census taker actually talked to. If the interview was done with an older child, for example, while the parents weren't home... or perhaps a parent-in-law...

With names, there are several possibilities. I would be willing to bet that most census takers, especially in the early 19th century, rarely asked for someone to spell the name for them -- assuming that the responder didn't know how to spell it themselves, especially in rural areas.

There is also the added complication of the person who transcribed the record for the index. I've found numerous examples where the transcription was wrong, not the actual record. This obviously applies to any handwritten record, not just the censuses.

And the shifting boundaries can also cause real headaches. I have a case in my own family where some migrated to Missouri. The records for that family shifted from Missouri to Iowa and back, even though they never actually moved -- just the boundary moved!

I have a suggestion -- make a list of all your current sources, with derived date of birth and place. Then try to determine how accurate each of those sources might be -- how consistent are they? How close in time are they to the actual event? If the record is only one of several on a page, does anything else on the page suggest that it is more or less accurate?

And if you haven't already, try finding the records for his siblings. Often, that will help locate the family as a whole.
by Kitty Linch G2G6 Mach 4 (43.9k points)
I feel like I have done everything to try to find any connections to try and find a sibling and have had no luck.

I suspect that the only other Stults in the same place in 1830, and born around the same time, is probably his brother, but cant connect them with documentation.

I have even went as far as connecting all the Stults records I possible could to the correct profiles on familysearch trying to find any link or connect through any of their children or marriages or whatever, and still im stuck. Its driving me crazy! I just want to know who James Stults parents were.
+8 votes
If he was trying to hide his place of birth, it most likely was for a personal reason that had nothing to do with the ' recent unpleasantries' as some of the more genteel would refer to the Civil War.

 I know of one similar situation where the man was from Massachusetts, which was known, but on his deathbed he told his wife he was of a different surname entirely. He had left there after killing someone and went far to the south.  He is not direct in my line but some descendants still take offense so I won't give any more details.  You just never know. I do not know if the story is true or not, I have never spent any time trying to research it. Who would I tell if I figured it out, the one's that would be upset? :)
by Chad Olivent G2G6 (6.9k points)
+2 votes
I am having this same problem in my research  im heavily related to sioux folks from the midwest. But my 2nd great grandnothers place of birth is listed as south carolina.  I believe her father was a union soldier, lakota and dakota , married someone from south carolina and my grandnothers origins were covered up. As a saftey precaution. Her being born in the south to a union soldier especially a native american one may have caused a hard life for them. What better way to avoid it than to say she was south carolinian born and bred ? If anyone wouldnt mind taking a look at my case id appreciate it
by Living Vann G2G1 (1.4k points)

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