Edward I: Please check possibly wrong children and grandchildren [closed]

Question

Going back earlier than Edward III, here are some profiles which look like they need a critical eye.

Two daughters of Edward I:

[[Plantagenet-220|Alice]] and [[Plantagenet-808|Isabel]]

One daughter of Edward II's wife:

[[Plantagenet-1314|Joanna Plantagenet]]

Comments

And perhaps somebody could deal appropriately with his alleged transgendered granddaughter https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bohun-54

 

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I've put a note on the profile and suggested it be merged into the other Aeneas profile https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bohun-46  I've also cleaned and updated it.   Hopefully that might get fix the problems.

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D. Richardson's RA has ... Edward II Of England, married Isabel Of France. They had four children, Edward III Of England, John Of Eltham, Eleanor Of Woodstock, and Joan of The Tower, no mention of a Joanna Plantagenet with Edward II.  

Edward II Of England was murdered in Berkeley Castle on 21 Sept. 1327. In October 1330 Isabel and Mortimer, who now lived almost openly together, were arrested at Nottingham by orders of her son, Edward, who speedily had Mortimer executed. After her son's coup d'etat, she surrendered her lands to the crown in Dec 1330, and was for a time under some restraint. Later, she devoted herself to pious works, alms giving and charity, and finally took the habit of the sisters of Santa Clara. Queen Isabel died at Hertford Castle, Hertfordshire 22 August 1358, with no mention of other children.

 "Royal Ancestry" by Douglas Richardson Vol. I page 74-76

Thank you! 

  

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Hi RJ

1. "Royal Ancestry" D. Richardson, 2013, Vol. I. p. 418.

* D. Richardson's RA ... Eleanor De Bohun, married Robert De Ferrers, Knt., 6th Earl of Derby

 

2. "Royal Ancestry" D. Richardson, 2013, Vol. II. p. 565.

* Robert De Ferrers, Knt., 6th Earl of Derby, son and heir by his father's 2nd marriage, born about 1239. He married (1st) Mary (or Marie) De Lusignan (or Mary De La Marche, daughter of Huges XI le Brun (or de Lusignan), Knt., Count of La Marche and Angouleme, seigneur of Lusignan in Poitou (uterine half-brother of Henry III, King of England, by Yolande, daughter of Pierre de Braine, Knt., Duke of Brittany, Earl of Richmond.  

Thank you!

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This might help everyone here, and not too sure if anyone else has seen this or not, here is the link to a google book. Let me know if it loads or not, I have it on PDF.

http://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5QafkKJ7Ep4P0U_1NmbBs1gA0v11ItfqqxLduhyLPNOm9_m0eJxMbZKQSQRoMM3uMBstWLtSfxqiYFxgSPe2-6aQ-3W5fN5c0anxehtoP1eQsAsF5h3iKOvo8qsKsE7uE7LGzW0q2EYFDZyHh_WRMhDoPexXvkto6020Npn7Jmu8zKhN8B63IecMLzIxK7CgdCqWDmMtoJCGkX5yA9-qR2TE-oEp8SMva1pRNzBAEPG7wwWpROr8fNIBRHWMV7c37gL_AKeOzPqwWL3AHNKpwBPE0XHqjTA

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The book you linked loads fine! Thank you, Rebecca Walker!

Work continues, thanks!

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Thanks Rebecca, it did open OK and they are handy to get an overview of some genealogical lines, but generally Burke's publications aren't always the most reliable.  I wouldn't want to rely solely on them without some other source corroborating the evidence.

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I think Joanna is just a garbled duplicate of her sister, Queen Joan.  They were both born 5th July.  1328 is probably confused with the marriage date.

Evidently "Bruce's daughter-in-law" somehow got mangled into "Wallace's daughter", with a bit of help from Mel Gibson.  But of course Bruce was the original Braveheart.  Wallace steals everything.

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So, RJ, is a merge in order for Joanna Plantagenet-1314 (1328- ?) and Joan "Of England" Plantagenet-577 (1335-1348)?

Thank you!

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NO! You said, "a garbled duplicate of her sister!"

So, RJ, what to do to make this right!

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Her "sister" is Plantagenet-581, Queen Jean of Scotland, born 1321.  I would merge them.

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Thanks, RJ! 

I just proposed a Merge of Plantagenet-1314 into Plantagenet-581 !

 

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Did not work.  Client does not have permission...

Answer 1

Thanks Andrew, I've added myself as a profile manager on Edward I profile and I'll have a look.  I've seen something recently that indicated that a daughter Alice was invented by various chroniclers because they misread the name Alphonso, and thought it was a mistake for Alice, but I didn't write down where I saw it.  I'll have to look for it again.

Comments

Thank you Andrew and John for the work you are doing on the Plantagenet line.

John, D. Richardson's RA, has the children for Edward I the same as what is listed in his profile biography. No mention of a daughter Alice or Isabel.

I checked the tag for profile 'Changes' for Alice, and it appears as you said, John, that Alice was invented, and the account is no longer active on WikiTree. Also, I notice Isabel only lived to age five.

Thank you both!