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Question

Looking for a genealogist with experience in Czech/Bohemia to help me solve a lifetime family history that I haven’t been able to crack.

Lots of tangible items to offer as a barter, or on the ground research needs in Northern Minnesota.

I’ve been trying to solve this for my Mother as a gift for over a decade. I’ve so far failed, despite hundreds and hundreds of hours spent searching over the last decade.

Dvorak Nachazel Novak

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Can you be more specific about the mystery that you are trying to solve. At what point do you become stuck?

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Yes, of course. My 3rd great grandparents were only recently discovered, Josef Dvorak & Franziska Josefa Nachazel. My 2G Grandmother died when my G Grandfather was only 2 years old and was raised by the other side of his family. So, we didn’t have any knowledge of his Moms parents.

We have learned they moved to Pierce County Wisconsin from Bohemia. I believe I have this parents identified, but that where the lines end.

When I did my dna, I found a small percentage of Jewish heritage that I’m trying to discover the lineage of.

I’m trying to learn if I have the right parents for Josef and Franziska (or Frantiska), and who their parents are and where they are from.

More details are in my ancestry tree.

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The other mystery is where my GG Grandmother Tressa Dopkins, is buried, with her unborn child. She married outside her faith with caused a family rift. No one knows where they are buried exactly.

My Mother learned she was named after her, Teresa, and then her niece was named after her, Tessa. All long before we knew the namesake. We would like to honor her and her child with a headstone. Wherever they are buried, we believe at the Cherma Cemetary in River Falls, Wisconsin.

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It seems that the crux of the problem is that you don't know what villages Josef and Frantiska came from.  Many Bohemian parish records are online, but you need to be able to narrow down likely birth/marriage locations in order to reasonably use those records.

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Colleen, yes. There was a family Bible that I’ve never seen, that had some handwriting on the inside cover that was Frantiska’s and it said Tabor, as either her hometown or birthplace.

And a letter within that stated they traveled for 3 days on an ox cart, to get to where they left to come to America.

Unfortunately, that’s all I know. They had many children, but the first 2 were born somewhere there before they came to Wisconsin. I’ve been unable to find these birth certs either.

This has been the most frustrating thing I’ve ever encountered. A decade ago, I asked my Mother what she wanted for Christmas. This is what she wanted. To find where Tressa was buried to give her a headstone, and learn where the lineage lines hailed from. Why couldn’t she have asked for a scarf or perfume. Sigh.

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Hi again, Amber,

I have a question.  Do you know if the person in this memorial at Find a Grave (link below) was a relative of Franziska Josepha?  His last name is the same as her maiden name and he is buried in the same cemetery.  He was born around the same time as her, so in theory could even have been a sibling:   https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115574616/mathias_nachazel

Answer 1

Tábor could be both the city or the district. Here is a list of the villages and cities in the district:

Balkova Lhota | Bečice | Bechyně | Běleč | Borkovice | Borotín | Bradáčov | Březnice | Budislav | Černýšovice | Dírná | Dlouhá Lhota | Dobronice u Bechyně | Dolní Hořice | Dolní Hrachovice | Drahov | Dráchov | Dražice | Dražičky | Drhovice | Haškovcova Lhota | Hlasivo | Hlavatce | Hodětín | Hodonice | Chotěmice | Chotoviny | Choustník | Chrbonín | Chýnov | Jedlany | Jistebnice | Katov | Klenovice | Komárov | Košice | Košín | Krátošice | Krtov | Libějice | Lom | Malšice | Mažice | Meziříčí | Mezná | Mladá Vožice | Mlýny | Myslkovice | Nadějkov | Nasavrky | Nemyšl | Nová Ves u Chýnova | Nová Ves u Mladé Vožice | Oldřichov | Opařany | Planá nad Lužnicí | Pohnánec | Pohnání | Pojbuky | Přehořov | Psárov | Radenín | Radětice | Radimovice u Tábora | Radimovice u Želče | Radkov | Rataje | Ratibořské Hory | Rodná | Roudná | Řemíčov | Řepeč | Řípec | Sedlečko u Soběslavě | Sezimovo Ústí | Skalice | Skopytce | Skrýchov u Malšic | Slapsko | Slapy | Smilovy Hory | Soběslav | Stádlec | Sudoměřice u Bechyně | Sudoměřice u Tábora | Sviny | Svrabov | Šebířov | Tábor | Třebějice | Tučapy | Turovec | Ústrašice | Val | Vesce | Veselí nad Lužnicí | Vilice | Vlastiboř | Vlčeves | Vlkov | Vodice | Zadní Střítež | Záhoří | Zálší | Zhoř u Mladé Vožice | Zhoř u Tábora | Zlukov | Zvěrotice | Želeč | Žíšov

 District and town are in the Jihočeský kraj (South Bohemian Region) and church books are online at the Státní oblastní archiv v Třeboni (The State Regional Archives in Třeboň). Parish registers for Tábor and surrounding villages are here: https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/409211-Tabor-Tabor-Cesko/parish-registers

Comments

I would focus on the name "Nachazel" since it is less common than either Dvorak or Novak/Nowak.  So, I looked thru the letter N in Tabor Book #59 - a birth index for 1810-1868 and did not see a single instance of the name Nachazel.  Of course, this book does not cover all of the above-listed villages.

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Current Tábor district changed over time.

According your previous post https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/758964/joseph-frantiska-jozepha-nachazel-1833ish-central-bohemia You should look somewhere between Tábor and Pelhřimov, maybe around Pacov or Černovice.

Answer 2

Dear Amber,

I believe I found the birth record of Mathias (Matěj) Nacházel, born exactly on 17 February 1837: https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/4204/55/1027/1046/150/0. He is very likely the person buried at this site: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115574616/mathias_nachazel

He had a sister, Františka Nacházel[ová], born on 30 March 1834: https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/4204/24/1406/1662/97/0.

Their father was Matěj Nacházel, the miller from Služátky (the parish is Chvojnov). Their mother, Kateřina, was the daughter of late Jiří Kratochvíle, farmer from Hněvkovice, and his wife Kateřina, née Sýkora (Sýkorová).

Further siblings can be found in the index: https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/4204/292/2578/1182/53/0

The water mill is located here, and it even has the same house number as 200 years ago: https://maps.app.goo.gl/WqRXzZu7Uif1FzaR7

and there is a website about water mills which has an entry about it and a few pictures: https://www.vodnimlyny.cz/hu/mlyny/estates/detail/6536-sluzatecky-mlyn

The surname "Nacházel" is rather rare. I only found this combination of siblings in Služátky. I also checked the books from Černov, Skrýšov, Hodějovice, Popelištná and Pelhřimov in general. It's good that some later books in the region have automatically searchable digital indexes so I could only focus on the villages with a high number of records for "Nacházel".

I could not find the marriage of Františka Nacházelová with Josef Dvořák in Chvojnov. It will be way harder to find elsewhere, because the surname "Dvořák" is really common. However, once all of the indexes in Southern and Central Bohemia are automatically searchable in a similar way as on FamilySearch, this could also be solved, just wait a few years...

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There is an additional link between Mathias Nachazel and the Dvořák/Worschak family: in the 1880 US census, their families are listed next to each other (even though his first name is listed as "Martin" - but the names of Mathias' children correspond with the list on https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115574616/mathias_nachazel)

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Thank you, Tomás.  I will note that several members of this family have profiles started here on WikiTree:

miller Matěj Nacházel:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Nach%C3%A1zel-3

his wife Kateřina:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kratochv%C3%ADlov%C3%A1-1

their son Jan Nacházel:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Nach%C3%A1zel-2

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I too found the same birth records for Mathias (b. 1837) and Frantiska (b. 1834).  However, with further exploration regarding Mathias' children (born in the late 1800s and have Find a Grave pages), I have run into some confusion.  

For example, I think this page shows the birth record for the oldest child Mary/Marie (Find a Grave#138695563), born March 21, 1871 in Popelištná:  https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/2695/191/1036/1316/74/0  Note that Mary's paternal grandmother is listed there as Katerina Kolar, while two lines down, there is another Marie Nacházel[ová] whose grandmother is said to be Katerina Kratochvíle, the person I thought should have been the grandmother of the other Marie/Mary.   

The 2nd child, Henry (memorial #140898638) , apparently born Vaclav on Sept. 8, 1875, also has his grandmother listed as Kateřina Kolar:  https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/2695/275/2189/1645/32/0

Ditto, the 3rd child, Anton (memorial #115587395), born May, 1878:  https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/2695/317/1792/1325/46/0 

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Thank you - Františka's birth record from 1834 actually states this about her mother: "Kateřina dcera po + Jiří Kratochvíle neb Koláři sedláku z Hněvkovicz, a matky Kateřiny rozené Sýkora" (Kateřina the daughter of late Jiří Kratochvíl[e] or Kolář, a farmer from Hněvkovice, and mother Kateřina née Sýkora) - so her mother's family used alias surnames, which was quite common in the region of Southern Bohemia (Czechia Naming Customs • FamilySearch). The alias is missing in some of the other records, including her brother's. In some cases, either one of the surnames is used, which can get confusing.

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WOW! Just wow! I can’t thank you enough! I’m taking this all in.

So, does this mean that Katerina went by both surnames of Kolar and Kratochvile, at different times or on different documents?

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Wow! Thank you so so much!

Please let me know how I can repay you both for all of this. You don’t know how much this will mean to my Mother and of course to myself!