Can this date conflict be unraveled? Archibald (Campbell) Campbell Master of Campbell [closed]

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On 8 Jun 2023 Thom Anderson wrote on Campbell-1502:

Campbell-1502: Conflicting dates - Already dead before his wife was born! Scot's Peerage, v8p12 has his bride's parents marrying on 10 Jul 1446 placing the bride's birth after that date but SP v1p332 indicates that he died in Mar 1440. Their son Colin was born in or before 1450, which means that Archibald's bride might have been born by then but would not have been of age to marry any earlier than 1459.

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How does Gordon MacGregor's Red Book of Scotland address this?
by Jared Olar G2G6 (7.8k points)
selected by Iain Campbell
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Clan Campbell Society says he was born in 1382. https://www.ccsna.org/archibald-campbell-master-campbell

But then that makes his father 12 when he was born. Contrary to contemporary myths about the Middle Ages, 12 year old fathers were not the norm 

by Joelle Colville-Hanson G2G6 Pilot (153k points)
Same source cites 1390 as father’s birthdate.  So that’s not helpful
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This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I'm constantly surprised at how many profiles of members of the British nobility don't appear to have reviewed and then cited the volumes of The Complete Peerage, and when citing The Scots Peerage, don't appear to have reviewed the Addenda and Corrigenda in Vol 9.

The Scots Peerage Vol. 9, p. 18 in a note about p. 332 basically states that Archibald Campbell's marriage to Elizabeth Somerville is doubtful, as a Papal dispensation was issued on 13 Feb 1419/20 for his marriage to Mariota of the Isles, and that they were already betrothed on that date.

Archibald died between April 1431 and March 1440, but The Scots Peerage, addenda, on same page as above adds that Archibald died "probably before 1439"  This might be based on a Mariota of the Isles, marrying Alexander Sutherland of Dunbeath in about 1439.

The current date on Archibald's profile, that he died about 22 Mar 1442 appears to be unsourced or based on an unreliable source.

According to The Complete Peerage, vol 1, p. 198, Colin Campbell, Archibald's son, was a minor when he succeeded his grandfather in 1453 (though it doesn't cite a source for that statement), and I'm presuming he would have reached his majority when he was created Earl of Argyll in 1457.  This would place his birth date at about 1435 at a rough guess.

Just to be clear The Complete Peerage, vol. 14, p. 33 which also contains corrections cites The Scots Peerage as above, pointing out that there is no proof that Elizabeth Somerville is the mother of Colin Campbell, and again mentioning the dispensation of Archibald Campbell and Mariota of the Isles.

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (629k points)

The dates for the marriages of Sir Duncan Campbell are also incorrect.  His first wife was still alive in Feb 1419/20 when they were granted the privilege of a private altar, but can't have survived much longer as there was a dispensation to marry his second wife, dated 17 Jan 1422/23.  See The Scots Peerage, vol. 9, p. 18 again, citing Calendar of Papal Letters.

BUSTED!  I usually do check Addenda and Corrigenda and I can only hope to blame a world of distractions for my failure to do so this time.  I will add this source and disconnect Elizabeth.  Thanks for the assist!
I changed his wife too as he is one of my 15th Great grandfathers. I am very glad this was caught
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Hello, I have 1382 he was born. Died 1446
by Cori Campbell G2G Crew (560 points)

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