What do you record from each source?

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A genealogical methodology question:

How much information do you record and cite?

For example, if you have the birth certificate do you record and cite the age from a census record? Or use the census as evidence of parents’ names?

What about name variations across sources? Do you record and cite them all?

Thanks!
in Genealogy Help by Kevin Doyle G2G1 (1.2k points)
retagged by Ellen Smith

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Once upon a time, I didn't bother to record all of the details from every source I had. But I've learned from experience how important it can be to record pretty much every detail. Every type of record can have errors or inaccuracies (even that birth certificate can be wrong!), and I've seen more than a few cases of mistaken identity (for example, where two people had the same name, and a census record or marriage record was assigned to the wrong person). Seemingly peripheral (or trivial) details such as the names and ages of the siblings on a census record or the street address on a draft registration or census form may turn out to be critically important in resolving a mystery or a conflict.
by Ellen Smith G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
selected by Leif Biberg Kristensen

Ellen Smith ! ...  I agree .. and  for future researchers who may not have access to the same information it builds added value on WikiTree.  

C'est Bon .. 

Recording the details is something Ellen taught me several years ago.  I have gone beyond even her advice, though, and include every bit of available information in the citation.

An example of how I format citations is HERE.  I start by identifying the type of record in bold, followed by the full citation (often provided by the source itself).  If the source is a transcript and has a link to the actual image, I add that to the citation.  I end the citation with ", includes:" followed by all the data in the record.

I suspect that at least some WikiTreers would say I have gone overboard on this, but I always have the concern that a link to the record may be bad someday and it is also easier for people to see the information when it's right there, instead of having to click a link to get to the source.

Thanks so much, Ellen! Of course, it seems a bit more trouble going in but I am afraid that one day I will need it and will wish I had done it earlier. I appreciate the advice!

I'm getting ready to do a genealogy do-over and wanted to get started on the right foot!

Ellen, you are so right when finding any source like some census record that I have come across that mutilates names, genders, estimated birth dates, and state origins. Check out all the information on the following census where usually they are not the same mistakes. You can find a bit of info that you might otherwise have missed.

Even Death certificates can have mistakes like distant family members guessing the names of the person's parent's surnames and place of origin. One I came across listed the parents as Hiram Kurtis and Polly Kurtis both from Germany, where in fact the husband's surname was Really Curtis and his wife's surname was actually Britton, and they were both from New York, not Germany.

I also had a death cert from three siblings where each had their mother born in Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire. 

Those are just a few of many you might come across

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Both, making sure that the parents are the same, or checking for 2nd marriage.

 The census also gives more information, eg residence at that date and has info that ties family members together.
by Gary Burgess G2G6 Mach 8 (80.6k points)
check the neighbors too!
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I agree with Gary. Typically, the only time I omit a reference citation is if it essentially duplicates another reference. An example of this might be two marriage indexes, one compiled for the U.S. state and another for the particular county. Both are derivative sources with secondary information. If each have the same names, locations, and dates, I don't feel a need to record both; I'll usually opt for the more localized of the two, meaning the county record.

But let me back up a step. It might not shock anyone that I've caught flack in the past for my citations being too lengthy. However...to me, the must-have is a fully-qualified, complete citation that goes an additional step beyond even the Chicago Manual of Style or other common stylistic system.

 WikiTree points to Elizabeth Shown Mills's Evidence Explained as the preferred system, and she writes: "...Source citations have two purposes:

  • "to record the specific location of each piece of data; and
  • "to record details that affect the use or evaluation of that data."

The second bullet point is what distinguishes genealogy from some other applications of the CMoS, or MLA, or APA stylesheets. If you're writing a research or academic paper, your subject is almost always specialized; the reader is assumed to have a high degree of prior knowledge of the subject matter. Not so with genealogy. A stylesheet-recommended reference citation is only the beginning. A description of how the citation applies to the analysis is critical. In the end we're working through the Genealogical Proof Standard and that means information and evidence analysis...and must include information that seems positive to the hypothesis as well as information that seems to contradict it or run counter to it.

We, of course, should be hashing out our presented case per the Genealogical Proof Standard in the profile's biography section...once we get to that stage. But even before that discussion, citations should include adequate details that tell the reader what in those cited data affects our use or evaluation of the data. The citation should provide indication of relevance. This is seldom seen in academic papers because, again, if I'm writing about quantum entanglement for the American Journal of Physics, both I and the publication expect the readers already will be very familiar with the works cited.
smiley

I won't get on my soapbox (one of a few dozen) about the distinction between a Source List (a bibliography) and Reference Notes, which are two different things and should be treated separately, but I'd rather err on the side of oversharing than undersharing. I've seen profiles where more than one reference exists and are (fairly) easily located, but only one is used...and it's the one that agrees with the information/hypotheses shown in the biography.

Genealogy isn't an empirical science. Conclusions generally have to result from a preponderance of evidence rather than experimental verification. So it's incumbent upon us to seek out every meaningful, distinct source of information that we can...the "reasonably exhaustive research in relevant records" part of the Genealogical Proof Standard. In fact, we need to actively seek out conflicting information so that we can attempt to properly reconcile it.

Another way to look at it is that a genealogical biography is never truly "finished." We've even seen things like DNA evidence provide new insights into figures as old as Richard III and Leonardo da Vinci. If you and I share a common ancestor and I've done work on that profile, it's a service to you if I've been thorough about citing what sources I've consulted and what their relevance was. Conversely, it's a disservice if I knowingly leave things out. Not only does that mean some unreconciled information might be lingering, but it also means that you might spend unnecessary time looking for information from a source that I'd already found...and for some reason chosen not to include.

by Edison Williams G2G6 Pilot (445k points)

Note to self: Don't stop typing up a G2G answer to take a long phone call, then just finish the answer. Stop, copy what you've written, and then refresh the page to see if Ellen already said pretty much the same thing in one-tenth the number of words...
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LOL - The same thing happens to me all the time (but not because of a long phone call, it just takes me a long time to compose an answer or a comment).

Well, I had an actual phone call I could use as an excuse...this time. I mean, it's not like I ever get carried away and write pages of word-count here.

<cough; cough cough> Sorry. Something caught in my throat...
angel

You’ll have to excuse my lengthiness—the reason I dread writing letters is because I am so apt to get to slinging wisdom & forget to let up. Thus much precious time is lost. ~ Mark Twain

from https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/04/28/shorter-letter/
Thanks so much for the detailed answer! I appreciate your thoughts!
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Just record everything smiley

For example, I'm always citing verbatim, in extenso, every baptism record that I find. Norwegian baptism records usually name five or six baptism witnesses, who are family, friends, and neighbours of the parents. Quite frequently, these names are the only clues you can find about the parents' identity.

by Leif Biberg Kristensen G2G6 Pilot (211k points)

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