Help with a German translation

Question

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/bad-iburg-st-clemens/0018/?pg=9

I'm interested to know if this marriage record names the parents of the bride and if it tells us anything about them or where they came from.

I believe that it says the bride was from Iburg, as were her parents, and that her parents were Ignatius Carolus Zumbrink and Philippina Zumbring, but I'm not certain. My German is meager at best.

Also, can you tell me if this is her baptism record? And if it is, what the date is?

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/bad-iburg-st-clemens/0029/?pg=41

Answer 1

Copulirte im Jahr 1798
Copulirt, Tag: 1
Copulirt, Monat: May
Namen der Copulirten und Zeugen: Schmehl
Johan Friederich Carl, Lutherischer Religion,
gebürthig aus Brandenburg an der Havel, Arzt
bey dem Königl Preüsisch: Leibhusaren Regiment
von Göcking bey der Esquadron des Majors von
Winning, mit der Maria Anna Dorothea Zumbrink
Katholischer Regligion aus Iburg.
Zeugen: Ignatius Carolus Zumbrink, und Philippina
Zumbrink, beyde aus Iburg.
N:B: Der Bräutigam J: Friederich Carl Schmehl, hat
in meiner, und des Herrn Doctory Florens Zumbrink
Gegenwarth angelobt, daß alle Kinder, welche er mit der
Maria Anna Dorothea Zumbrink zeügen würde, in
der Katholischen Religion erzogen werden sollen
ita testor R. Frij...??? Pastor???
Paar: 4

I'll see whether I can provide a translation as well, but please do not count on it. The information content of this marriage entry is quite poor. Parents of bride or groom are not mentioned. Neither does it state how old they were. Unfortunately. The groom was a protestant, physician by profession, in the Prussian army, and came from Brandenburg an der Havel. The bride was catholic and came from Iburg as you rightly assumed. Three relatives of the bride are mentioned (Florens, perhaps her father and obviously also a physician, and Ignatius Carolus as well as Philippina, the witnesses). They had to make a vow to bring up their children as catholics.

J

Comments

PS: The birth entry needs keener eyes than mine. I can make out the birth date: December 23, 1775. The given names are on the 1st line, but I cannot read it (Maria?). The parents are on the 2nd line led in by "par:", and the godparents on the 3rd line led in by "pat:". What I can say is the priest was fond of name abbreviations

J

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Married in 1798
Johan Friederich Carl, Lutheran religion,
native of Brandenburg an der Havel, physician
in the Royal Prussian Life Hussar Regiment
von Göcking in the esquadron of Major von
Winning, with Maria Anna Dorothea Zumbrink, of the
Catholic regligion from Iburg.
Witnesses: Ignatius Carolus Zumbrink, and Philippina
Zumbrink, both from Iburg.
NB: The groom J. Friederich Carl Schmehl, has
in my presence and that of Doctor Florens Zumbrink
presence declared, that all children, which he will have with the Maria Anna Dorothea Zumbrink, shall be raised in the the catholic religion
ita testor R. Frij...???? Pastor???

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The birth entry is really a challenge.

1775

Xbr

23 Maria ... ...

pat: ...

right margin: Zumbring

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Squinting, staring, guessing, and - not to forget - collaboration might get us there eventually.

"23 Maria ...o...: francis
par: christ: bernard ... antonel
henseler pat: lud... Wesse...d...
nata h..."

The couple was quite productive. From 1760 to 1783, Mrs Zumbrink had the privilege of being pregnant or with an infant almost constantly, as witnessed by birth entries on pages 12 (Maria Francellina Frederica), 15 (Christoph Bernard), 19 (Friderich Wilhelm), 25 (Anna Antonella), 30 (Henrich Joseph Anton), 36 (Ignatz Carl), 41 (Maria ... Francisca, born Dec 23, 1775), 46 (Maria Anna Theodora Francisca, born Jul 20, 1778), 53 (Philippina) in this book.

So what happened is the priest took down a wrong name when the Zumbrink daughter got married: her name was Maria ... Theodora, which the priest noted as Maria ... Dorothea.

The right entry is either the one on p. 41 or the one on p. 46. The second one looks good to me, but at 19 years old she would have been quite young to marry. Also, you may wish to check the burial register to see whether those two daughters survived childhood.

J

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Would there be another way to get the birth entry? Or is this the best available evidence? I was scrolling through the baptisms and found several Zumbrink entries. I believe they are all from the same family, but the entries aren't much better than this one - really hard to read.

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/bad-iburg-st-clemens/0029/?pg=12

This one appears to me to be Maria Francellina Frederica and it mentions Anna Annabella Henseler?? April 1760 (not sure on the day)

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/bad-iburg-st-clemens/0029/?pg=15

This one looks like Christopher Bernard Florens. 3? Aug 1762

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/bad-iburg-st-clemens/0029/?pg=25

This one looks like Anna Atonella. Aug. 1767 Can't make out the day

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/bad-iburg-st-clemens/0029/?pg=30

This one is really hard to read. Antonius maybe? And I keep seeing Christopher Bernard Zumbrink and Anna Antonella Henseler. Parents? 1769

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/bad-iburg-st-clemens/0029/?pg=36

This looks like Ignatius Carolus and again, Christopher Bernard and Anna Antonella 1772 month and day escape me

Then comes the one that I think is Maria Anna Dorothea Zumbrink, but ??? I think I see par: which seems to precede the parents' names. Then I see Bernard and Henseler, which appears to be the mother's maiden name?

I see that xbr a lot. Is that shorthand for something?

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I just noticed that among the witnesses at the wedding were Florens and Ignatius Carolus. Those were two of her brothers, based on the records that I've found. I'm not sure about Phillippina. She may be a sister.

Update: Turns out Philippina is a sister. So the three witnesses at her wedding were two of her brothers and one sister.

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These are primary sources, probably the only primary sources to find births, marriages, deaths. Yeah, the copies are bad and frustrating to read, but many WT sources are secondary sources, which could be true or fairy tale, you won't know until you've verified using primary sources. One can always want for more, but lucky who has free online access to such documents. No offense.

The parents' are Christopher Bernard Zumbrink/Zumbrinck, court clerk ("aetuarius judicii"), and Anna Antonella, maiden name Henseler. These are the children I found:

• p. 12: Maria Francellina Frederica, born Apr 23 1760 - godmothers "Maria Odilia Koch vidua Zumbrinck et clara Francisca henseler"
• p. 15: Christopher Bernard Florens, born Aug 13 1762, died Jan 21 1828
• p. 19: Friderich Wilhelm, born Feb 9 1765 - mother "henrietta henseler"
• p. 25: Anna Antonella, born Aug 4 1767 - godfather "praefectus in Welling: holthausen joh: otto Zumbrinck"
• p. 30: Hen[ricus] Jos[ephus] Antonius, born Dec 13 1769 - godfather "hen: ant: Zumbrinck praefect: ghanensis???"
• p. 36: Ignatius Carolus, born Dec 10 1772
• p. 41: Maria ... Francis[ca], born Dec 23 1775
• p. 46: Maria Anna Theod[ora] Francisca, born Jul 20 1778
• p. 53: Dorothea Philippina Margareta, born Feb 24 1783, died Nov 14 1821 - godmother "Philippina Zumbrinck"

Alphabetic registers are available for specific time periods, providing openings for further Zumbrink and likely also Henseler research:

• Births 1789-1827
• Deaths 1801-1851 and marriages 1789-1852

The death entry of Christopher Bernard Zumbrink:

• Christopher Bernard Zumbrink
• Christopher Bernard Zumbrink

As for Xbr:

• "7bris" = September
• "8bris" = October
• "9bris" = November
• "Xbris" (roman 10) = December

Then the "Xbris" is in turn abbreviated to "Xb" plus a kind of extension character.

Have you made up your mind which of the two sisters would have been Johan Friederich Carl Schmehl's bride?

J

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Amazing work. Thank you for the effort and for your patience with me.

I believe Maria Ann Theodora would have been Johann's bride. My reasoning is that the priest (as you pointed out) mistook Dorothea for Theodora (maybe he was dyslexic?) and Maria Francisca is hard to mistake for Maria Dorothea.

Thanks also for the education on the bris entries. I've learned a lot from you.

I am definitely thankful for the records that we have access to. I do get frustrated, however, when records are missing or not accessible.

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I found Christopher Bernard's baptism record - https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/bad-iburg-st-clemens/0027/?pg=51

Am I reading this correctly? His father was Bernardi Gerardi Zumbrink and his mother was Maria Ovilia Kuck?

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Not at all. Keep posting

The sisters on p. 41 and p. 46 are both called Maria .... Francisca! I cannot decipher what other given names are between Maria and Francis[ca] on p. 41. Occurred to me that when a child died, it was not unusual for the next child to be given the same name. Could that be the case here? No, no such death record between 1775 and 1778.

Transcription of the birth record you posted, with some hesitation, Latin is not my strong side:

"Anno 1732
Baptizati

Zumbrinck
obiit 1789

10 Januarii Christophorus Bernar-
dus Bernardi Gerardi Zumbrinck
et Maria' Odilia' [Mariae Odiliae???] Kock Conjugum filig??? [filius]
legitimus levans D??? Christophorus Kock"

"Year 1732
Baptisms

Zumbrinck
died 1789

10th January Christoph Bernard,
legitimate son of Bernard Gerard Zumbrinck
and Maria Odilia Kock, his wife
godfather D??? Christoph Kock"

I think the mother's name is Maria Odilia Kock. The "d" in "Odilia" resembles the one in "Bernardi" (the priest uses two different styles). Bernardi Gerardi is the genitive form of Bernardus Gerardus, translated into German this becomes Bernard Gerard (nowadays Bernhard Gerhard).

J

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You've been a tremendous help. I can't thank you enough. I have since found both the baptism and death records for Maria Odilia Kock as well as the death record for Bernard Gerard.

I've also been discovering records from the Netherlands for one of the sons of Johann Frederici.

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The page 46 entry says Maria Ann Theod Francesca. The one on page 41 I can't make out, except for the Maria