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On 11 Jul 2022 Kevin Lajiness wrote on Fleming-596:

The Life Summary of Judith Ursula When Judith Ursula Fleming was born in 1610, in Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire, Scotland, her father, Sir John Fleming 1st Earl of Wigton, was 43 and her mother, Countess Lillias Graham, was 40. She married John Banaster Tarleton on 23 August 1633, in New Kent, New Kent, Virginia, British Colonial America. They were the parents of at least 1 son and 1 daughter. She died in 1680, in New Kent, New Kent, Virginia, United States, at the age of 70. https://ancestors.familysearch.org/G3H7-NJ6/judith-ursula-fleming-1610-1680 ;Legacy NFS Source: Ursula Fleming - birth-name: Ursula Fleming Family Tree & Ancestry DNA results Ancestry Family Trees, (why are'nt we considering their DNA evidence so I can submit Mine)

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Hmm. Perhaps it should read: “When Judith Ursula Fleming was born in 1610 in Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire, Scotland, her father, Sir John Fleming, 1st Earl of Wigton, was 43 and her mother, Countess Lillias Graham, was dead.”

Deceased mothers at time of birth is quite commonplace in whatever dimension the Family Search tree exists. In our universe these things rarely happen, I find.  

Why has she got two names?

How (& when) did she get to Virginia?

What reliable supporting evidence exists for her in either place?

Also, the husband - John Banaster Tarleton (two names again.) Made me think of Banastre Tarleton. Coincidence, or fishy? Is there any reliable evidence for his full name? Supporting documents etc?

As for the dna, (whatever this may be, and I’m guessing someone’s added their results to a tree on Ancestry with Judith Ursula Fleming in it.) It could prove you were related to the test-taker (which wouldn’t be a surprise), but it wouldn’t prove the tree they had attached their test results to is correct, unless that tree is supported by reliable sources.

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If anyone would like to take the time I have many X-DNA matches that all share the same lines some with ancient roots wirh long Maternal lines, I have most of Johm Fleming's Isues  from Jeanette Halyburton Lady Dirleton 1505, not just x, Matches and Most of her Children in almost direct female line, I've been putting the lines and the DNA prof on My WikiTree Lajiness-24

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I would be very surprised if you have DNA evidence from people from 1610-1680, so you must be asking about someone else's DNA???

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Males only get there X-DNA from their Mothers, some matches that are ancient go back in a strait female to female lines, no triangulation is needed, I have done the Geneology i have some like this that all go threw to the Flemmings and Scotland farther back than 1610

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Ancestry.com

Born in Hallwood Green, Gloucestershire, England on 1610 to John Tarleton and Frances Hooker. John Banister Tarleton married Susanna Bates and had 1 child. He passed away on 1677 in New Kent County, Virginia, USA.

John Banister Tarleton family tree

Parents

John Tarleton

1595 - 1683

Frances Hooker

1588 - 1623

Spouse(s)

Susanna Bates

1635 - 1717

Children

Stephen Tarleton

1637 - 1687

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Link? Sources? And how does this support the assertion that Lilias (Graham) Fleming is the mother of  Judith Ursula Fleming  by John flemming, when Lilias died in 1605 as per one of the sources for Lilias  ( https://www.familysearch.org/tree/sources/viewedit/MSSD-9SG?context ) linked by the very Familysearch profile that you cited (ignored in the profile "facts", which claims a death date of 1626) - this is a very "low quality" profile with mostly weak "sources" like "MY gedcom and "Ancestry trees". One should regard such FamilySearch profiles with a very jaundiced eye.

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• Global, Find a Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current

  Stephen Tarleton

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  U.S., Find a Grave Index, 1600s-Current

  Stephen Tarleton

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  Virginia, U.S., Colonial Records, 1607-1853

  Stephen Tarleton

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  Virginia, Biographical Encyclopedia

  Stephen Tarleton

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  Alabama, U.S., Surname Files Expanded, 1702–1981

  Stephen Tarleton

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  Tidewater Virginia Families

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  Derbyshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916

  Stephen Tarleton

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  U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970

  Stephen Tarleton

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  Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly

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  American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI)

  Stephen Tarleton

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  North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000

  Stephen Tarlton

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  American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI)

  Stephen Tarleton

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  Workbook of families allied to Wood

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  Genealogies of Kentucky Families from The Register of the Kentucky Historical Society, Vol. II

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  Tidewater Virginia Families

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  Tidewater Virginia Families: Generations Beyond

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  UK and Ireland, Obituary Index, 2004-Current

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  GEDCOM Note

  According to Harris: It appears from the records that some of the daughters of Charles Fleming became affiliated with the Quakers. The marriage between Tarleton Woodson, son of John Woodson, and Judith Tarleton, his wife, on April 3, 1710, brought about a ruling in the Curles Monthly Meeting: "The said meeting having some doubt thereon some Friends were against the said proceedings but the question being put whereas the said Tarleton Woodson and Ursula Fleming were contracted by solemn vows and contracts being then ignorant of any orders of practice among Friends that first cousins shall not marry therefore better be suffered than dissolved therefore it is the sense of this meeting that they may have liberty to take each other in marriage when they shall think fit" This established the fact that Susannah Fleming and Judith Fleming, the mothers of the contracting parties were sisters and were the daughters of Stephen Tarleton of New Kent County. Book Old Kent County-Tarleton-Fleming Old New Kent County-Some Account of The Planters, Plantations and Places in King William County St. John's Parish Vol II Malcolm Harris MD Compiled and Copyrighted 1977 West Point, Va. Y Y Pg 183 3

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This from 23 and me " If you and your X-DNA Match is consistent" that is one is a subset of the other say one is H1c and the other is H than you can have long female to female lines or share ancient roots. remember if you know the genealogy of the matches there are only so many possabilities even less when following inheritance rules