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Hi, I am new to the Palatine Migration Project and to Wikitree in general. Do I understand correctly that I can't edit anyone born before 1700? Who do I ask to make edits? My question is about Coon-1269, Hanness Coon. Given that there are so many people named Coon/Kuhn/Coen/Kuehn and many other spellings, and so many men named Hanness/Hans/Johannes/John, I wonder if there is a discussion where members are trying to untangle them.

Hans ffellacoons was definitely on Gov. Hunter's list of orphans, definitely apprenticed to Caleb Heathcote of Scarsdale, NY, and definitely born in 1695. I can trace him and his family on their journey to New York, but not for him after he became apprenticed. Some people think he became Johann Veltin Kuhn. Others think he became Hanness Coon.

Is anybody working on the Coon/Kuhn family and how can we help each other?

Thanks!

posted by Anne Sulzbach
Anne have you completed the pre-1700 certification? That should be your next step.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/859743/pre-1700-certification

posted by Julia Olsen
Julia is correct that pre-1700 certification is the proper next step. In the meantime, the best place to begin a discussion is to add a comment on his profile. Then those who are "watching" the family will, hopefully, chime in! Another WikiTreer can add new information or research notes to the profile based on your comment. At least their interest will be piqued. Welcome to WikiTree and the Palatine Project. :-)
posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
Heuer-48- Can someone from the team please remove the opening that says - need sources- I think it is a Category- I have worked on her husband, her 5 children. Hopefully any mistakes will be minor as I have gone through them all numerous times. I will continue to monitor the profiles for a while because there are several mergers, and linked profiles to be unlinked based on evidence against them being linked. Any major issues- please contact me- to discuss as I enjoy working collaboratively.
posted by Debbie (Butters) Stanway
edited by Debbie (Butters) Stanway
I removed the "needs sources" text from the Project Box on the profile. Thanks for your work on this profile!
posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
I have been working on adding information to some of the second- generation Jacoby family - see Henry Jacoby aka Jacobi - Jacoby-225, John, George, and their sister. I would like to be able to add information to Henry's older brother Conrad Heuer Jacoby- Jacoby-158 and Henry's father Petrus (Peter) Jacoby formerly Jacobi- Jacobi-176 however, these 2 are under the management of the Palatine Migration Project. I am not the manager of any of the Jacoby files, but I am connected through my maternal grandmother's sister who married into the Foresman family who are connected to Henry's daughter. Do I have to sign up for the Palatine Team to be able to work on Peter and Conrad. Thanks for taking time to read this. Debbie
posted by Debbie (Butters) Stanway
edited by Debbie (Butters) Stanway
Hi, Debbie,

We manage the profiles of these immigrants simply for oversight, so that German naming customs and locations for the time before the American Revolution are observed.

These are not Project Protected profiles. You are welcome to add sourced information to either profile. You do not need to join the Palatine Migration Project to make contributions to Project managed profiles, but you might find the Project helpful if you have German speaking ancestors who came to America after about 1709 to before the Revolution. If you need Palatine specific sources, check out our Research Resources page here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Palatine_Migration_Research_Resources

posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
Klingler-251, Johannes Klingler. Please take a look at my profile. I was a member of Palatines To America through him and his wife.
posted by Julie Holland
Hi Julie,

The project covers immigrants who arrived before the outbreak of the American Revolution. So Johannes Klingler immigrated too late for our project. Thanks for checking with us.

Dave

posted by Dave Rutherford
I would like to know if Wildemann-10 qualifies as a Palatine Migrant.

Regard, Gerry

posted by Gerry (Mos) Moss
Yes, since he would have been a German-speaking immigrant in the 1700s.
posted by Linda Kast
Thanks for this. Wildemann-10 is a distant relative on my wife's maternal side. Some came to America and some went to Poland, then Ukraine, finally USA, and then to Saskatchewan, Canada.
posted by Gerry (Mos) Moss
The British who were in charge here in the 1700s kept pretty good track of the German-speaking folks, so we Palatine genealogists are real lucky. BTW, this appears to be the immigration ship record for your ancestor in Strassburger & Hinke's "Pennsylvania German Pioneers":

https://archive.org/details/pennsylvaniagerm42stra/page/476/mode/2up?q=Wildenmann

You may even find more in Annette Burgert's books of Palatines who arrived in Pennsylvania.

posted by Linda Kast
He's been added to the project. Thanks for the heads up.
posted by Dave Rutherford
I believe George Carper Hise (Hise-326) should be part of the Palatine Migration Project. He surfaced in the 1776 Project list of profiles needing a biography, so we gave him one. It undoubtedly needs more improvements.

Betty ~ 1776 Project Leader

posted by Betty (Skelton) Norman
Thanks for the heads up here. George has been added to the project. And it turns out that his parents and brother were already project managed, so he is now attached to his parents as well.
posted by Dave Rutherford
Why is it, that most every palatinate profile page on this site, is either not completed or filled with false, fake or show a lackadaisical effert in correcting any data? If no one is willing to do the job, why are we still requesting people to join a project, that is unwilling to do what is required?
posted by [Living Seifert]
James. I am sending you a reply to this privately.
posted by Dave Rutherford
Wow, harsh, James. I have no doubt that a great many Palatine profile pages are incomplete to some degree. I remember when I joined WT and found my surname immigrant ancestor's profile page. It already existed and had for years, but was largely incomplete and or incorrect. Why? I don't know. I imagine a lot of people discover WT, join, start to work on it (create profiles, upload GEDCOMs, etc) and then gradually fade away for whatever reason. That's the nature of a system that is free for all to use. Then someone like me comes along, discovers an ancestor's profile and spends a lot of time filling in all the data, biography, sources, research notes, etc. Despite all the time and effort I've put into him, Johann Martin is still "incomplete" in my estimation because I just can't find sources for some things and probably never will. Nevertheless, I'm pretty proud of how fleshed out his profile is. That said, his wives profiles are almost empty, not because I'm lazy or unwilling, I just can't find sources for them! And THAT said, I've created profiles that are largely empty, such as siblings of ancestors, in order to make my ancestor's profiles more complete, but that I just haven't had the time yet to flesh out. I tell myself I'll get to them, but honestly, there are some I probably never will get to... there just aren't enough genealogy hours in a day. Unfortunately, this is the nature of the beast. Furthermore, it isn't the responsibility of the Palatine Migration Project administrators to check and flesh out profiles, that responsibility is ours and I'm doing my poor best to do my part, are you? How is your post at all constructive or productive?
posted by Michael Kerstetter
"Judgmental" is a negative word to describe someone who often rushes to judgment without reason. You are talking about people who have volunteered their time and effort to create these profiles and then those who come back in to update them. This is by and large a community of like-minded genealogists who want to provide sourcing to the greatest extent they can. For you to assume they are 'lackadaisical and 'unwilling' (and by your statement, providing false and/or fake information) is not only harsh but a completely unwarranted judgment on people you know nothing about.

Rather than criticizing it would appear many of us prefer to use our time productively to provide accurate sourcing, biographical information and additional references where needed. This is not the easy task one might imagine, especially when some large families (such as mine) have the same names repeated through multiple generations and among contemporary descendants of various offspring. So we do the best we can. This is a volunteer community. Judgementalism rarely if ever facilitates success.

posted by Julia Olsen
Hello! Meyer-8331 should be part of the Palatine Project. Her current profile is poorly sourced and may have incorrect information. She looks to be the wife of Heinrich Dubendorffer, who arrived in 1734 with children Rudolf, Anna, and Barbara.

Laura White Scheinoha

posted by Laura White
Philipp Wendel Klein and his family arrived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1744 aboard the Phoenix, [List 106 C] Phoenix, Captain: William Wilson, From: Rotterdam, By Way of: Cowes, Arrival: Philadelphia, 20 Oct 1744 Profiles are: Klein-6865, Unknown-570242, Kline-1034, Klein-6975, Klein-6343, Klein-6984 I believe all of them should be listed as part of the Palatine Migration.

As far as I know, these Kleins are not part of my line. I am seeking someone with Y-DNA from that line to verify, but no luck so far. I am working on this line because both have sons Adam and Jacob: My Adam was married to an Anna Maria unknown, and Johann Jacob, married to a Anna Eva (Dusong). Philipp Wendell Klein's eldest son is (Johann) John Adam was married to Anna Maria Unknown, and second son( Johann) Jacob married to a Anna Eva according to the Truby-Graf book listed as a reference. The children of both families were born around the same time, have similar names and dates in the Truby-Graff book. The baptism records that I found and have been using for my Klein brothers may have been mistaken for or muddled with Philipp Wendel's sons. I feel certain I have the correct children identified in my line, and will make the small corrections where necessary. Given that Philipp Wendel was a founding member of the Ziegel Lutheran Church where many of these baptisms took place, I am not sure if I should delete those records from my profiles or not. Is it possible the Truby-Graf book is incorrect? Looking for some advice, because I am really flummoxed by this.

I would like to remove the connection of Ertz-61 from Klein-6361. Having two wives on his profile is confusing. To the best of my knowledge, and as a result of much research, I have found no source to show Adam Klein-6361 was married more than once, and I do think both wives listed are intended to represent the same person. There are two sources that confirm the mother of two of Adams children is named Anna Maria, so there is no dispute with that, but no last name is given. I do think it is perfectly reasonable to note on both Klein-6361 and Unknown-505006, that Ertz has been suggested as the possible last name for Adam's wife, but in the absence of a source Adam Klein was specifically married to Anna Maria Ertz, Ertz-61, should not be attached to Adam Klein. I may have been overly zealous in adding Palatine migrant tags and so I also suggest we remove that tag from Unknown-505006. Thanks for hearing me out.
The appropriate way to do this would be to merge the two wives, ensuring the merge is completed into Unknown-505006.

I will set this up.

As long as Unknown-505006 shows birth in Germany the Palatine Migration template should remain on her profile.

posted by Dave Rutherford
There is little on the background of Unknown-505006. I personally do not know where she was born, but it was assumed she was born in Germany. The Unknown profile is marked as uncertain. I do wish I could find something definitive. Plan to keep digging.
I would like to propose a merge of Lukenbell-1 and Luckenbill-32. There are numerous variations on the name "Luckenbill" and several of them seem to be the same person. These two both seem to be Johan Ekel Luckenbill who arrived aboard the Thistle in Philadelphia, 1730. Little is known directly about the man. A Heinrich Luckenbill was also aboard (Heinrich signed his own name, Johann used an "X"). They are believed to be brothers (Morton's history) and Johan is believed to have been accompanied by a wife and one daughter, Anna Barbara (b1721) who married a Johannes Kistler. Less is even known about Heinrich, although he too would be a Palantine Immigrant. Both also signed the allegiance pledges. They eventually settled in Berks County, Pa, and multiple "Luckenbills" emerged. The earliest are a John Adam Luckenbill (b 1720) who would have been on the Thistle, but too young to be named. A John Ludwig (born around 1735 in Berks moved to NC and bought land in 1758. He's recorded in a family history of the Farleys, by Lucy Farley Speer. Jost Luckenbill married to Susanna is the father of my descendant Christian Benjamin Luckenbill (b 1774) and part of the Morton history which is really confusing to work through with the numerous Christians getting blended and mixed up. Anna Barbara, John Ludwig, Adam, and Jost are most likely children or grandchildren of Johann Ekel (or perhaps Heinrich). Another Christian (b 1741) is reported as a son of Johan Ekel by Family Search and a son of Adam by the Strausstown Roots group. There is obviously much to clean up and I would appreciate and help and guidance you all could provide. One immediate question is how to fix what I think are errors - before or after the merges? I have adopted several unclaimed "Luckenbills" (I feel some loyalty to the name having used it for a number of years), but not all are direct descendants. I have completed the Ancestry DNA , but am not sure how to use it to possible get some connections or clarity about the Luckenbill descendants. Thanks for any help.

Judy Luckenbill Brett

We should include all four listed children of Lannin-19 and Schnell-268 in the migration. They came together on same ship as parents. Thanks. JSC
posted by Jane (Snell) Copes
Yes, I'll add them to the project.
posted by Dave Rutherford
Greetings Dave and Ellen,
  • I recently proposed 4 merges related to Hans Michael Gutknecht.
  • Since Hans Michael Gutknecht (Gutknecht-90) is a Palatine Migration Project profile, I thought I should contact you first to get your opinion and 'blessing'. I first attempted to merge Isaac Goodnight (Goodnight-530) with Isaac Goodnight (Goodnight-6), but was reminded to first merge his parents.
  • These are the proposed merges (in order that they should be merged, I believe):
  • 1. Christopher Landers (Landers-1293) into Christopher Landis (Landis-12)
  • 2. Mary Landers (Landers-1290) into Mary Landis (Landis-57) (Landis being the correct spelling, I believe)
  • 3. Hans Michael Gutknecht (Gutknecht-87) into Hans Michael Gutknecht (Gutknecht-90)
  • 4. Isaac Goodnight (Goodnight-530) into Isaac Goodnight (Goodnight-6)
  • Christopher Landis/Landers was the father of Mary Landis/Landers.
  • Mary Landis/Landers was second wife of Hans Michael Gutknecht.
  • Isaac Goodnight was the youngest son of Hans Michael Gutknecht.
  • Approval has been made for (Gutknecht-87): John Sissom (Sissom-18), and (Gutknecht-90): Bill Vincent (Vincent-18).
  • Approval has been made for (Goodnight-6): Doug Cooper (Cooper-11817), and (Goodnight-530): default
  • Awaiting approval from Dave McDougle (McDougle-1) for (Landis-12) and (Landis-57).
  • Dave McDougle is also on the trusted list of Hans Michael Gutknecht.
  • Hans Michael Gutknecht was my 4th Great Grandfather (confidence = high).
  • Once these merges have been completed, there will be other merges concerning Isaac Goodnight's wives.

Thank you in advance for any and all assistance and advice. Respectfully, Luther Brown

posted by Luther Brown
edited by Luther Brown
Greetings, I am trying to find the father of Henry Samual Teter, Sr He is the link to Germany from our family over here in the late 1600's. My 6th Ggfather. Teter-115
posted by Thomas Teters
edited by Thomas Teters
Looking over the bio for Johann Peter Heydrich Sr (1710-1789), I noticed that most, if not all, of the details in it described the life of his son by the same name, Johann Peter (Heydrich) Hedrick Jr. (1732-1798), rather than the life of the father. I don't know if I accidentally submitted this bio, or someone else. If no one has any objections, I would like to remove this bio, and blend it in with the bio of Johann Peter (Heydrich) Hedrick Jr. (1732-1798), while replacing the bio of Johann Peter Heydrich Sr (1710-1789) with one that more accurately describes his life.
posted by Kent Creamer
Hi Kent,

Not all profile managers on these profiles are project members, so they won't see this note. In cases like this, it is probably better to post the message directly to the profile(s) concerned.

But thank you for offering to straighten out the biographies here. I can't see where there should be any objection to that.

Dave

posted by Dave Rutherford
Hi! I'm on Ranger duty and noticed a change to LNAB on a profile managed & protected by the Palatine Migration Project but don't see support for one spelling over another. Could you take a look? Rahmsauer-1 (which is about the only variation not given in one of the comments).
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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