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Ogden family researchers are indebted to Charles Burr Ogden for his excellent book, The Quaker Ogdens in America,[1] and this work is liberally cited in the biography below. However, the author unfortunately included a brief paragraph entitled "David Ogden's Ancestry."[2] This "ancestry" is derived from family legend surrounding the Ogden Arms, and is presented without further evidence. The author concluded that "It is hoped that researches now in progress will result in the publication of a future volume, in which David Ogden's ancestry will be more fully given." However, further inquiry was not pursued, at least not successfully. Please see Research Notes for current analysis that perhaps may invigorate further research into David's forebearers.
David Ogden was probably the son of Nehemiah Ogden and if so, he was the David Ogden baptized at Chester St. Peter, Cheshire, England, on 4 January 1650/51.[3] At the 4 January 1686 (4 of 11th mo 1685) Chester, Pennsylvania monthly meeting, David and Martha Houlston first declared their intention to marry, and they were found clear to marry at the 1 March 1686 (1 of 1st mo 1686) monthly meeting. [4] They were married on 12 March 1686 (12 of 1st mo 1686).[5] David died in Chester County, Pennsylvania on 22 August 1705. [6]
To date, the only record of David's early life in Great Britain is his certificate of removal from the London Meeting dated the 21 Jan 1682 (21 of 11th mo 1681/2).[7] Later that year, David was a passenger aboard the Welcome when it sailed in late August, arriving in the Delaware on 27 October 1682.[8]
David was a resident of Middletown, Chester County, Province of Pennsylvania when he made his will dated 16 July 1705 (16th day of the 5th month 1705).[9] In it he names his wife Martha, children Jonathan, Martha, Sara, Nehemiah, Samuel, John, Aaron, Hannah, Steven.
David and Martha had the following children:[10]
The family legend that David's grandfather was awarded the Ogden Arms for his support of King Charles in the English Civil War (p. 23) is not in phase with events. Such support could only have been provided in the period 1642-1649, and Charles II could only have granted arms after 1660. Support cited for this legend by Charles Burr Ogden was a Philadelphia Press article published in 1897 which he stated "appears reliable."[11] However, the subject of the Ogden Arms was aired thoroughly in an 1897 article in the British journal "The Literary Era."[12] The article includes a letter in full describing search done by the College of Arms in London and makes interesting reading (the full article is attached). Asked to verify the claim, the College of Arms advised that
And that, after a considerable search, the arms described in the Philadelphia were found
The given name previously accepted for David's grandfather (John) was entirely derived from this legend.[13] It may be that a John Orton did undertake to have his Arms drafted about 1620, roughly 40 years before Charles II ascended the throne in 1660. However, the given name "John" lacks evidence. That said, the further attribution that "John" had a son named "Jonathan or David" appears even more fanciful.
Evidence does exists that a Nehemiah Ogden did have a son baptized in Cheshire in 1651.[3] Nehemiah was a Quaker, who was a member of the Cheshire Quarterly Meeting and lived in Wrexham, Wales.[14] Also it may be important that David named a son named Nehemiah, perhaps in honor of his father, but in any event an uncommon name in the Ogden families in England in that time period.
It may be that David's origin was correctly stated in Charles Burr Ogden's book. What is presented as a direct quotation from Sir Bernard Burke (printed within quotation marks) reads that[15] ". . . David Ogden settled in Chester County, at a place where he and others who came with him from Middletown, County of Chester, England, named after their native town."
It is clear that this wording cannot be Burke's. He was a noted British genealogist and an officer-of-arms at the College of Arms in London. If the attribution to Burke is correct, then it was incorrectly paraphrased. Burke would have known that Middletown was in Denbighshire, Wales, bordering Cheshire, but clearly not in England. Quaker records for this area of Wales are recorded in the Chester Quarterly Meeting Minutes, Chester being a town in Cheshire (Chester County), England. If the attribution to Burke is accurate, then he was perhaps describing the Quaker emigrants from the town of Middletown who were members of the Chester Meeting. History shows that many of the early Quakers in Penn's fleet were from the area around Middletown in Wales.
Recall the aforementioned record Nehemiah Ogden,[14] age 94, died on 18 Apr 1713 and was buried at Wrexham, Wales (not England) on 20 Jun 1713. Wrexham is 13 miles southwest of Chester and 23 miles north of Middletown.
Recent yDNA matches on FamilyTreeDNA support that Nehemiah Ogden was likely the father of David Ogden the Quaker and the son of Richard Ogden of Middleton in Lancashire.
Paul Ogden, his yDNA profile managed by Sue Murphy, traces his Ogden line with certainty back to David Ogden the Quaker. David's father is probably Nehemiah Ogden, baptized at Middleton on 1 September 1616, the son of Richard Ogden. There are at least two, possibly three Richard Ogdens in Middleton at this time, so which Richard was Nehemiah's father is not yet known. One of these Richards was resident in Tong,[16] near Middleton on the road to Oldham.
Paul has a 67 marker match with Marcus Ogden, a native of England, whose English Ogden line can be traced back to Joseph Ogden, baptized at Middleton, on 5 February 1705/06 the son of John Ogden of Tongmoore.[17] Similar to the case with Richard, there are multiple baptisms in Middleton for a John Ogden before 1685 preventing the extension of this line further back at this time.
Finally Paul has a 111 marker match with Peter Whitehead who traces his Whitehead line back to 1836 to the burial of James Whitehead at Newton Heath, Lancashire on 13 July 1836.[18] Newton Heath is 3 miles south of Middleton. James married Ann Collinge who is probably one of the three Ann Collinges baptized at Middleton St. Leonard in 1775.[19][20][21] The research of this line stops here at present, but clearly to focus going back should be in the Middleton area.
As of this writing a Most Recent Common Ancestor has not been identified. However, given that all three lines point back to the Middleton area, it is a reasonable conclusion that Nehemiah Ogden, born in Middleton in 1616, was David's father.
Book: The Quaker Ogdens in America: David Ogden of the Ye Goode Ship "Welcome" and his Descendants 1682-1897, by Charles Burr Ogden, Printed 1898, Chapter; "David Ogden of the Ship Welcome", p. 27-46 and Chapter: "Genealogy" p. 47-48 First and Second Generations
Book: New World Immigrants, Volume I, A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from Periodical Literature, Edited by Michael Tepper, Hardcover – 1979, page 311, (V.) David Ogden, his wife Sarah Ogden married twice, 1st: David Ogden, 2nd: William Shurman
Book - "A Memorial History and Genealogical Record of The John Howell and Jacob Stutzman Families and a Complete Family Record of The Lineal Descendants and those related to them by intermarriages, From the Year 1697 to 1922. Compiled by Jonathan S. Howell, Rushville, Ill. Printed by Herald Print, Rushville, Ill. p. 51 and p. 57 - Evan Howell, son of John Howell of Philadelphia, husband of Sarah Ogden; See uploaded page 51- https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Howell-2580-1 - See uploaded page 57 - https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Howell-2580-2
WikiTree profile Ogden-265 created through the import of heinakuu2011-6.ged on Jul 5, 2011 by Johanna Amnelin. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Johanna and others.
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In answer your specific points:
There are indeed several places in the United Kingdom named Middletown. Charles Burr Ogden specifically wrote “Middletown, County of Chester, England,” citing Sir Bernard Burke of the College of Arms. Burke would not have made this error, as Middletown is in Wales, but less than one-half mile from the English border with County Chester (Cheshire). Burke would have said that Quaker records for Middletown were in the Chester Quarterly Meeting Minutes, which they are.
As for the veracity of the records I cited from Ancestry, I can assure you that I am well aware that all online records, including those at Ancestry.com, must be verified. In this case the sources are images of the originals microfilmed and available at FamilySearch:
"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQXT-D99: 12 February 2018), David Ogden, 04 Jan 1650, Christening; citing item 1, St Peter, Chester, Cheshire, England, Record Office, Chester; FHL microfilm 2,045,912.
"England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWJ3-HZL : 11 December 2014), Nehemiah Ogden, 20 Jun 1713, Burial; citing p. 73, Cheshire, record group RG6, Public Record Office, London.
As for DNA evidence, it does exist and clearly shows that all Ogdens from England are not related. Y-DNA testing clearly shows that the David Ogden the Quaker line (Sue Murphy line – Haplogroup I-M170) and John Ogden the Pilgrim line (my line – Haplogroup R-M269) share a common ancestor about 47,000 years ago.
Regards--Louis
I haven't viewed all comments in a while as time prevails and computers need replaced, plus at near 89, some of my research is slowing down. However, as I see your Feb.,'22, comment regarding David Ogden, I have to say, those of us Ogden's are grateful to have Charles Burr Ogden's book "Quaker Ogden's in America". Am sure there was as much research as found at that time, along with possible name uncertainties written. Note that not all on Ancestry.com is accurate either. As for Middletown, I believe according to maps, there is more than one, so is there one in England as well as in Wales? Need to show a map.
I cannot totally verify the father of this David Ogden, tho Nehemiah is a good possibility. Again need more complete records. Could all Ogdens, from England, be related? Perhaps DNA would provide more clues. And maybe not.
Again thank you for any new research/maps/records that help identify OUR ANCESTORS.
Mary J. Ogden Armstrong
Yesterday I drove up to the Friends Historical Library at Swarthmore to look at Box 2 of the Charles Smith Ogden papers. The finding aid said Vol 1 included genealogy notes prior to David Ogden's arrival in Philadelphia with William Penn.
I spent three hours with the contents of Box 1. After reviewing all of the documents twice two things are clear: Charles Smith Ogden was very serious about researching the Ogden family tree and hired professional researches in England to track down Quaker records to identify David Ogden's family. His documentation included specific emphasis on the clock makers.
At the end of the day- with an extensive pedigree beginning in the 12th century including variations of the spelling of Ogden that I had never seen before- Charles Smith Ogden was not able to find any written records to document the birth of David Ogden in 1655. He inferred as Louis has indicated, Nehemiah Ogden is the most likely name of his father.
Making this inference was based on two indicators: David Ogden named his second child Nehemiah and they found death records from the Worchester Meeting held as part of the London Meeting of his death in 1681.
In some ways- this inference makes sense based on additional information not included in the papers. Worcester and Worcestshire were associated with the weaving industry at the time. Additionally there was an indentured servant to a wealthy business man that purchased land with David Ogden who arrived two years after David- with clear ties to Worchester.
What is also clear from the papers, Charles Smith Ogden did not differentiate between the Ogden's associated with New Jersey and John Ogden the Pilgrim from the Quaker Ogden's of Philadelphia. He made no distinction in the early family tree.
Charles Smith Ogden listed David Ogden as his ancestor. " Volume 1- David Ogden my ancestor -before and after 1682. The first item in the folder was a rubbing from a clock belonging to John Maude Ogden from Sunderland England. We can infer he believed this was his relative.
The family legend that David's grandfather was awarded the "Ogden Arms" for his support of King Charles in the English Civil War (p. 23) does not hold water. Such support could only have been provided in the period 1642-1649, and Charles II could only have granted arms after 1660. Validation for this legend is given by Charles Burr Ogden as a Philadelphia Press article published in 1897 which "appears reliable." However, in an 1897 issue of the British journal "The Literary Era," a herald of the College of Arms in London, when asked to verify this claim, is clearly quoted as writing that "the College of Arms here cannot find a record of any such history." Further the herald states that after an extensive search, the college did find "this coat of arms . . . drafted somewhere about 1620, . . . marked over the top with the name Ogton." Thus, while David's descendants can perhaps be justifiably proud in displaying the "Ogden Arms," the legend is unfounded.
The given name generally accepted for David's grandfather (John) is derived from this legend and must be viewed with a jaundiced eye. Further, the possible names given for [Ogden-2729|David's] father (Jonathan or David) are without any support whatsoever and are even more suspicious. The Lancashire location associated with the grant of arms may indeed be valid as the surname Ogden originated there, early in the 15th Century, in Rochdale parish. However, given that whatever event resulted in the grant of arms occurred multiple generations prior to David's birth, this is not evidence that David was born there.
A clue to David's origin is found in Charles Burr Ogden's book. He concludes (again on p. 23) that David "settled in Chester County, at a place where he and others who came with him from Middletown, County of Chester, England, named after their native town." This description is attributed to Sir Bernard Burke, a noted British genealogist and an officer-of-arms at the College of Arms in London. This attribution is in error; Burke's description was obviously misinterpreted. Middletown is in Wales, on the border with England, and clearly not in England. Quaker records for this area of Wales are recorded in the Chester Quarterly Meeting Minutes, Chester being a town in Cheshire (Chester County), England. Thus, it is likely that Burke described Quaker emigrants from the area around Middletown who were members of the Chester Meeting. History shows that many of the early Quakers in Penn's fleet were from Wales.
Two records available at Ancestry.com should be considered in identifying David's origin:
On 4 Jan 1650/51 David Ogden, son of Nehemiah Ogden, was baptized at Chester St. Peter, Cheshire, England. Two things to note here. First, this is a Church of England record, predating Quakerism. Second, David named a son [Ogden-2642|Nehemiah], perhaps after his father.
Nehemiah Ogden, age 94, died on 18 Jun 1713 and was buried at Wrexham, Wales (not England) on 20 Jun 1713. This from the Quaker records of the Quarterly Meeting of Cheshire and Staffordshire: Cheshire. Note that Wrexham is 13 miles southwest of Chester and 23 miles north of Middletown.
Sources for everything mentioned above are available online. I propose that the profile for David's father be revised to show his name to likely be Nehemiah, along with an appropriate biography. I have further information to suggest that Nehemiah originated in Oldham, Lancashire, but I will save that info for later as this message has gone overly long.
It is good policy and adding relevant, not repeats, is definitely wanted for many to see/read.
In this case, most we learn of David Ogden comes(along with other resources as well) from a book," The Quaker Ogdens in America" by Charles Burr Ogden. (Please see comments below,as noted Feb, 2016 by Mary Armstrong.) It is too extensive to copy in total in the "Sources" category here. This book is definitely a resource to read if you are of the Ogden line and need to learn more.
Do, remember to make your public comments here with more about DAVID OGDEN.
QUAKER ARRIVALS at PHILADELPHIA 1682 - 1750 Being a List of Certificates of Removal Received at Philadelphia Monthly Meeting of Friends. by Albert Cook Myers, M. L. Member of the Historical Society of Pennsylvania Author of "Immigration of the Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania."
Philadelphia FERRIS & LEACH 1902 Part I - 1682 to 1705
Shows a DAVID OGDEN, from London, England, dated 11 mo. 21, 1681-2.
edited by Anne X
It is believed he was born in Lancashire, England. Not birth records are known if in fact he was from Oldham, Lancashire, England. Yet it is very likely he was. If further records are found then will be added here. Many have searched but not found.
It was believed that David's sisters, Hannah and Sarah were also on "Ye Good Ship Welcome, though not verified.
So in the Ogden searches we rely on what records we have or find of our Ogden (name) background/roots.