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Thomas Ivye (bef. 1519 - 1593)

Thomas Ivye
Born before in Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, Englandmap
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Husband of — married before 1539 in Sodbury, Gloucestershire, Englandmap
Husband of — married before 1547 in Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England.map
Descendants descendants
Died after age 74 in West Kington, Wiltshire, Englandmap
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Biography

Thomas Ivie was born before 1519, the son and heir of Richard Ivie of Sodbury, Gloucester.[1] [2]

He married first, Elizabeth, daughter of H. de Keynes[2], before 1539, which is about eight years prior to 1547, by which time Elizabeth had died, and Thomas had remarried. Elizabeth Keynes is named the mother of Ferdinando, and probably the mother of at least three more children, which implies their marriage lasted at least seven years, assuming no twins.

Thomas married second, Elizabeth Malet, daughter of Hugh Malet of Enmore and Isabel Mitchell, by 1547, which is the latest possible birth of her oldest known child, Mary, who was married in 1562.[3] [2] She had at least five more children, whose births are estimated between 1551 and 1571 at the latest. Elizabeth died before December 12, 1592, as she is not named in Thomas' will.

In 1579, he deeded land to Thomas Smith.[2]

Children

By his first wife, Keynes:[2]

  1. Ferdinando, born before 1545, died before 1592 (father's will). But had children.

and possibly:

  1. George? born before 1547, son and heir, mentioned in Father's will.
(not listed as a son of Elizabeth Malet in the Visitation, though her other sons are listed, so he was more likely the son of Elizabeth Keynes, or maybe his grandson, George, by his firstborn son, Ferdinando.)
  1. Margaret m. Richard Digges.
(also possibly a grandchild, as his daughter Mary "also" had a daughter named Margaret who married a Richard Digges.)
  1. Leonard

By his second wife, Malet:

  1. Mary, born before 1547, m. Richard Gore/Gowre and probably ___ Digges
  2. Judith, born by 1551, m. Anthony Prater. She died 5 Feb 1578
  3. Hugh, born about 1551, m. (1) Agnes; m. (2) Ann
  4. Richard, born by 1553, m. Jane Dugdale, a widow; died 26 Oct 1617 (source for marriage?)
  5. Prudence, born by 1571, m. Christopher Stoakes
  6. Fortune, born by 1571, m. James Huntley

Will

THOMAS IVYE, of West Kington, Wilts, esq. Will dated December 12, 1592, proved May 21, 1593, by Dr Tho' Hyde. [40 Nevilie.] To be buried in the Ile of West Kington Church, with my father and mother. George Ivye, my heir apparent, household stuff in the 5 chambers, the chamber where he & his wife useth to lie, 100 ewes, my best salte, 11 spoones, wheat & barley, land in Old Sodbury, Gloucr, called Gorland (?) My son Richard Ivye, £40. To my daughter Prudence Stokes,3 my white standing silver cup. My son Hugh Ivye, £177 due to me from William & Edmund Best, & £60 in the hands of Anthony Prater, my son in law. By deed I given an annuity of £6. 13. 4. to William Ivye, elder son of my son Ferdinando Ivye, dec d, & the same to William Ivye the younger, out of my lands in Ambresbury,4 Glouc., now I give £20 to each, to be paid into the hands of George Ivye, their brother. My manor of Brookeborrow, Glouc. p.6

My daughter Margaret, wife of Mr. Richard Digges, £5. To Leonard Ivye, my son, the bed, &c., which my sister Quinton lyeth on. Poor of Castle Combe, 20/, & of West Kington, 20/. My children, George Ivye & his wife, Hugh Ivye & his wife, James Huntley & his wife, Xtopher Stokes & his wife. My sister Quinton & her son's daughter Anne. My sons Richard & Leonard Ivye. William Ivye & William Ivye the younger. To Mary Digges, my daughter, a cloke of fine puke. My friend Dr Thomas Hyde, Chancellor of Sarum, Exor. My sons Hugh & Leonard Ivye, Overseers. Codicil Dec. 12, 1592. Henry Quinton owes by bond, £40. My cousin Clarke for my cousin Elizabeth Broke, £10. My cousin Vachell, £5. My cousin Harwell, which is desperate (sic) £10. p.7

Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills Etc. 1889[4] [5]

Sources

  1. Harvey, William, The Visitations of the County of Oxford Taken in the Year 1566, Volume 5 (London: Harleian Society, 1871) p.260. Online at google books Lineage.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 Boddie, John Bennett. Historical Southern Families. Volume VI p.22 Accessed at Ancestry ($) Reprint: Clearfield 1994
  3. Gore, T (1666) Syntagma Genealogicum or A genealogical treatise of the family of the Gores of Aldrington or Alderton p137 cited here: PDF
  4. Google Books
  5. Will: "England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858"
    The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Series PROB 11; Class: PROB 11; Piece: 81
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry au Record 5111 #900310 (accessed 18 October 2021)
    Will of Thome Ivye of Weskkington, Wiltshire, England, granted probate on 21 May 1593. Died Abt 1593.




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I did some work on his bio, and added/updated some estimated dates. While working on his children and their birthdates, I ran up against a question about his "son and heir," George. There is no George named as Thomas' son in the Visitation, although his oldest son Ferdinando, and two of Elizabeth Malet's sons are named. Ferdinando is noted as "1 sonne," which implies that maybe Elizabeth Keynes only bore one son, Ferdinando.

Now, if Ferdinando was her only son, we would assume the next heir to Thomas would be one of his other sons named in the Visitation, Richard or Hugh, but it's not. His will names "my heir apparent, George Ivye." Did the Visitation forget to note Thomas' second son and ultimate heir? Or is he not Thomas' son? Ferdinando died before his father, but he left sons, one of whom was his son and heir, George, and this is the line which the Visitation follows: Thomas, whose heir was Ferdinando, whose heir was George.

George was born by the time of Thomas' death, named in Thomas' will, and apparently of age because he received and held the inheritance for his minor brothers. From what I can see, the only source supporting George as son of Thomas is Thomas' will. He does say "my son George" in the codicil, but people were known to be a bit loose with relationship definers at this time. For instance, it would not be a stretch to call a grandson "my son," especially if his father was dead and that grandson was your heir.

So the point here: does it seem likely to anyone else that Thomas' "heir apparent," George, was not his son, but his grandson?

posted by Ashley Jones JD
This also raises a question about his daughter, Margaret, wife of Richard Digges. Thomas' daughter, Mary, had a daughter named Margaret who married a Richard Digges prior to Thomas' death. Did he have a daughter and granddaughter, both named Margaret, who both happened to marry men name Richard Digges, or is there just one woman, his granddaughter, Margaret?
posted by Ashley Jones JD
Have not seen anything to suggest he was knighted, seems to be esquire in Will and archival references. Is there support for this?
Thanks Monica, I haven't had time to check thoroughly but if he names himself as Esquire in his will, then it seems highly unlikely he was knighted. I've removed Sir from the prefix.
posted by John Atkinson

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