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Gwladus Ddu (ferch Dafydd) Herbert (abt. 1380 - 1454)

Gwladus Ddu "the star of Abergavenny" Herbert formerly ferch Dafydd
Born about in Peutun, Llan-Ddew, Breconshire, Walesmap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married 1398 [location unknown]
Wife of — married 1421 in Bredwardine, Herefordshire, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 74 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Walesmap
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Biography

Gwladis ddu, the daughter of Sir David Gam and mother of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower, married for her second husband Sir William ap Thomas, father of Sir William Herbert earl of Pembroke, the fast friend and adherent of Edward; from that moment the houses of Games, Vaughan and Pembroke became united, and called one another cousins to the ninth succeeding generation.[1]

Excerpt from The Heroines of Welsh History

Gwladys was the daughter of a gentleman of considerable wealth and landed property, who, in after years, became very celebrated as a military character. His proper name was David ab Llewelyn ab Howel Vychan, But he is better known to posterity as David Gam; so called from a cast in his eye: Gam, or Cam, being a Welsh word literally signifying crooked; but applied to an obliquity of vision, means squinting. And that appellation, originally a descriptive nickname, in the course of time became generally accepted, and more honoured than his legitimate designation.

The mother of Gwladys was a lady of the name of Gwenllian, daughter of Gwilym ab Howel, an affluent country gentleman, residing at his seat called Grach, in Elval, on the banks of the Wye, Radnorshire. The family residence of the parents of Gwladys was principally on an estate near the town of Brecon, called Petyn Gwyn, in the parish of Garthbrengy.f Another residence of theirs was Old Court, in the county of Monmouth, "the site of which is in a field adjoining LJandeilo Cressanwy House, on the Lanvapley road, midway between Abergavenny and Monmouth."* She had two brothers older than herself, of the respective names of Morgan and Thomas; and it is probable they were all born at Petyn Gwyn, previous to the year 1402, a period very disastrous to the father of this family; fatal to his wife, and most perilous and distressing to the children.[2]

Name

Gwladus ferch Dafydd[3]

Birth

about 1385, Peutun, Llan-Ddew, Brycheiniog [Breconshire], Cymru[4]
Christening Place: {bleddyn Ap Maenyrch}

Marriages

1st Marriage: Sir Roger Vaughan,[3] 1403 in Brodorddyn, Herefordshire, England;[4] 1398[5]
2nd Marriage: Sir William Herbert, called William ap Thomas, only son and heir, seated at Ragland Castle, and called by the Welsh Margoah Gles, or Gumrhi, made Kt. Banneret, 1415 married Gladys, dau. and heir of Sir David Gamm, Kt., and widow of Sir Roger Vaughan, Kt.[6]
William ap Thomas, married 1421 in Brodorddyn [Bredwardine], Herefordshire, England[7]
William Herbert and Gwladus ferch Dafydd[3]

Children

information from "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (#Lewis)
Sir Roger Vaughan (b. c 1368, d. 1415) and Gwladus had 5 children:
  • Watkin Vaughan (b. c 1398)
  • Thomas Vaughan (b. c 1400, d. 1469)
  • Roger Vaughan (Knt., b. c 1404, d. 26 Jul 1469)
  • Maud Vaughan (b. c 1406)
  • Elizabeth Vaughan (b. c 1413)
Sir William ap Thomas (b. c 1401, d. 1446) and Gwladus had
  • Margaret Thomas
  • Richard Herbert (Knt., d. Jul 1469)
  • Thomas Herbert
  • William Herbert (Knt., b. c 1423, d. 27 Jul 1469)[8]
  • Elizabeth ferch William ap Thomas (b. c 1426, d. a 30 Mar 1475)

Herbert Descendant Chart

Lord Herbert of Cherbury, K.B[9]

Death

1454 (Age: 48-49)[citation needed]
Burial: Herbert Chapel, St. Mary's Priory Church, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, England[10]
"Gwladys subsequently married Sir William ap Thomas he chose the name Herbert and lived at Raglan Castle. Their magnificent alabaster tomb and effigies can be seen in St Mary’s Priory Church in Abergavenny."[11]

Research Notes

Date Estimated based on historical events and/or calculated by ages of other family members.Note: Birth year of 1380[12] based on birth of son Watkin in 1395.[13]

Magna Carta Ancestry: The following is from the entry for James Berkeley:[14]

"James Berkeley died 13 June 1405.... His widow, Elizabeth [Bluet], married (3rd) before Easter term 1408 (as his 2nd wife) Thomas ap Harry... left a will dated 4 Aug. 1415, proved 4 April 1416. His widow, Elizabeth [Bluet], married (4th) before 1420 (as his 1st wife) William ap Thomas ap Gwilym, Knt., of Raglan, Monmouthshire,... 5th son of Thomas ap Gwilym ap Jenkin... by Maud, daughter of John Morley, Knt. They had no issue.... Elizabeth died before 19 July 1425. He [William ap Thomas] married (2nd) Gwladus ferch Dafydd, widow of Roger Vaughan, Knt. of Tretower, Breconshire (died 1415), and daughter of Dafydd Gam, Knt., by whom he was the father of William Herbert, K.G., 1st Earl of Pembroke (died 1469) [see HERBERT 12] and Elizabeth (wife of Henry Stradling, Knt.) [see STRADLING 10].... Sir William ap Thomas died in 1446, and was buried in the Priory church of Abergavenny, Wales.[14]

Sources

  1. #Jones, pp. 501-5
  2. #Prichard, p. 416
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 Source: #Bartrum
  4. 4.0 4.1 Roger Vaughan (#Turner-Thomas)
  5. #Lewis, citing Royal Ancestry (#Richardson)
  6. Herbert
  7. Gwladus ferch Dafydd (#Turner-Thomas)
  8. also shown p 255, Plantagenet Ancestry (#Richardson): William Herbert, K.G., 1st Earl of Pembroke, d 1469
  9. Herbert, Edward Lord Herbert of Cherbury, K.B.; The Expedition to the Isle of Rhe; London, Printed by Whittingham and Wilkins, 1860.
  10. Entered by Richard Ragland
  11. St Crispin Day. The effigy pictured - the Games Monument - is not of Gwladus.
  12. cited by Lewis, but not with Richardson citation (marriage about 1398 cites Royal Ancestry); #Richardson, #Lewis
  13. from his WikiTree profile; Watkin's birth is given as 1413 (and his parents' marriage as 1403) in the database for Celtic Royal Genealogy (#Turner-Thomas)
  14. 14.0 14.1 Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (2011), volume I, page 180 NEVILLE 8.

Source found in: Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol. V page 56.

Henry (or Harry) Stradling, Knt., son and heir, born about 1412-22. He married before 1449 Elizabeth Ferch William AP Thomas, daughter of William ap Thomas ap Gwilym, Knt., by his 2nd wife, Gwladus, daughter of dafydd Gam, Knt. They had two sons, Thomas, Esq., and Charles, and two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of Richard ap Jenkin) and Jane (wife of Miles Parry [or ap Harry]. Sir Henry Stradling died in 1476.

See also:
Broken links - as of 1 May 2021, these links were broken and not found on archive.org's WayBack Machine
  • education.gtj.org.uk/en/item1/20635 - had been given as source for more information about the Games Monument (effigy pictured in a link cited that does work, but the effigy is not of Gwladus).
  • The Bartrum Project, digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum (mirrored from the defunct Cadair site by Geni: Bartrum Genealogical Project - free login required to access the charts). See additional information about Cadair in G2G. (The first chart is within WikiTree; Godwin 8 is at Geni.)
    • Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 20, Gwladus ferch Sir Dafydd Gam (d 1415) and Gwenllian ferch Gwilym, m (1) Sir Roger Vaughan, (2) Sir William ap Thomas
    • Godwin 8, Sir William Thomas of Rhaglan (d 1446), m Elizabeth Bluet and Gwladus f. Dafydd Gam

Acknowledgements

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Is the place of death really a church, also isn't this in Wales?
posted by Linda Stanch
Monmouthshire was one of the areas overseen by the Marcher Lords appointed by the Crown. From time to time it was designated as being in England and at other times Wales. There was a special Herbert family Chapel in the Priory. Whether she actually died there or elsewhere we shall possibly never know.

As you seem to have an interest in early Welsh profiles perhaps you might like to some studies for us. You will clearly have to become qualified with pre-1500 profiles as you are not able to work on them without that. May I ask where you got this interest and how would you define your level of knowledge? We have a number of Help areas which I suspect might be of use to you, and I see that others have already pointed you in that direction.

posted by Steve Bartlett
Based on WikiTree Styles and Standards, "Prior Church" should not be included in the datafield for her place of death. From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Location_Fields#Street_names.2C_building_numbers.2C_etc. -
"Do not include a house number, street address, building name, church, hospital, etc., in the location field unless it represents an administrative division, such as a parish."

The profile's biography covers where she was buried.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
You might want to add to the bio material sourced from findagrave.com and revised:

Gwladus verch Dafydd Gam was born in 1374 in Llanddew, Breconshire, Wales. Gwladys, known as the star of Abergavenny", inspired Welsh Welsh poet Lewys Glyn Cothi to write "Gwladys the happy and the faultless." She is described as, a brilliant being, "like the sun—the pavilion of light." She has been compared to the legendary Queen Marcia for her discretion and influence.

As Lady of Raglan Castle, Gwladys was able to entertain her guests and assist the needy and afflicted on an even greater scale than when the mistress of Bredwardine Castle. Gwladys and Sir William's children were raised with the children of her first husband, Sir Roger Vaughan, who along with Gwladys' father, Dafydd, had been part of the Welsh contingent that fought with Henry V of England in the Battle of Agincourt in France in 1415, where they both were slain. Legends appeared in the 16th century averring that Henry V had knighted them on the battlefield for having sacrificed their own lives to save the king’s life.

Gwladus second marriage was to Sir William ap Thomas of Raglan Castle, who also fought at the Battle of Agincourt. Sir William was the son of Thomas ap Gwilym ap Jenkyn, a local landowner and his wife Maud, daughter of Sir John Morley. He was knighted in 1426 and was known, because of the colour of his armour, as "The Blue Knight of Gwent."

Gwladys and Sir William were the parents of William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke (1423–1469), whose fierce loyalty to Richard, Duke of York, and to Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick, earned him the sobriquet of Edward IV's Welsh "master-lock". He was the first full-blooded Welshman to enter the English peerage and he was knighted in 1452. He married Anne Devereux daughter of Sir Walter Devereux in 1449.

Gwladys’ third husband was Sir Henry Stradling (1423–1476), who, on his journey home from a pilgrimage to the Holy Land died on 31 August 1476 and was buried at Famagusta, Cyprus.

Gwladys and her husband Sir William ap Thomas, “the Blue Knight,” were patrons of Abergavenny Priory where they were both buried. When she joined him in their alabaster tomb in 1454, Gwladys was so beloved by her people that, according to legend, 3,000 knights, nobles and weeping peasantry followed her body from Coldbrook House (her son Sir Richard's manor) to the Herbert Chapel of St. Mary's Priory Church where she was buried.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/87468153/gwladys-ferch_dafydd_gam having lived a long life of 80 years, and was buried in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales.

posted by Tim Leahy
Source: Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013). Vol., I, page 336.

James Berkeley, born about 1353/4. He married Elizabeth widow of Bartholomew Picot, Knt., and daughter of John Bluet, by Katherine Wogan. They had two sons, James, and Maurice.

Elizabeth, (widow of Bartholomew Picot, and James Berkeley), married (3rd) before Easter 1408 (as his 2nd wife) Thomas AP Harry. She married (4th) before 1420 (as his 1st wife) William AP Thomas AP Gwilym. They had no issue. Thomas AP Gwilym, married (2nd) Gwladus Ferch Dafydd, widow of Roger Vaughan, and daughter of Dafydd Gam, by whom he was the father of William Herbert and Elizabeth (wife of Henry Stradling).

Thank you!

update - no warning when saving 17 June 2020

upon saving, received the following data warning:

A child's birth date (Ferch_Dafydd-5 born 1380) should not be before a parent is six years old (mother Gwilym-5 born 1385) .
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Source: Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013), Vol. III, page 279.

William Herbert, K.G., 2nd son of William ap Thomas ap Gwilym, Knt., by his 2nd wife, Gwladus, daughter of Dafydd Gam, Knt.

Thank you!

We share a 15th great grandfather Robin & Susie
posted by Susie Brown
A remembered extra generation in one of Dwnn's charts gave me the idea that a generation was missing between Roger d 1415 & Roger of Tretower b 1410. I developed that idea into a profile (currently not attached to the Vaughan tree). Please take a look at Vaughan-1946 & let me know if the idea is convincing to anyone other than myself.

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
The Dictionary of Welch Biography, VAUGHAN family of Bredwardine, Herefordshire, The Visitations of Wales, page 223 and the St Crispins Day sources all state that ROGER VAUGHAN, who m. Gwladys, daughter of Dafydd Gam, and fell with his father-in-law in the personal defence of Henry V on the field of Agincourt,1415.

The Wikipedia article suggests it was Roger of Tretower, son of Roger & Gwladys, who was the younger Roger Vaughan at Agincourt, but his profile says b. 1410. He would need to have been born closer to 1395-97, which is poss. based on shown parent's b. dates of 1377 & 80.

If she and Roger Vaughan had children (including the son said to have been at the Battle of Agincourt where her husband and father were killed in 1415), she was born well before 1405 (before 1385; earlier if birth years for children in attached profiles, such as 1395 for Watkin, are correct).

Lewis has her birth as 1380, so I'll change it to that.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
based on the new Welch naming standards, I believe the LNAB should be "ferch Dafydd" ...
Hi! Her LNAB needs to change from "Dafydd" to... Gam? ferch Dafydd Gam? ferch Dafydd? She and her Dad are such a strong presence, I think a G2G post would be appropriate, but I wanted to hear from y'all first, so I can phrase the question as "if no objection, Dafydd will be changed to..." Let me know your opinion. Thanks!
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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