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Robert Ellyson (abt. 1615 - abt. 1671)

Capt Robert Ellyson
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Died about at about age 56 in James City, Virginiamap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 22 Jun 2011
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Sources: October 2, 1672: "Mr. Thomas Viccars bee Guardian to Gerrart Robt Ellison, Sonn & Orphan of Major Ellison," Minutes of the Council and General Court of Colonial Virginia 1622-1632, 1670-1676, p. 276; Davis, Tidewater Virginia Families; Will of Ann Myhill Ellyson; Record of Patents, Book 7, p. 22; Hinshaw, The Encyclopedia of Quaker Genealogy, vol. VI, Henrico Monthly Meeting; Encyclopedia of Virginia Biography; Elizabeth Allison Ervin bible


Contents

Biography

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This profile is part of the Ellison Name Study.

Capt. Robert Ellyson, barber chirurgeon (surgeon) & burgess of Virginia, (previously a resident of Maryland), is sometimes referred to as Dr. Robert Ellyson of James City co. in the colony of Virginia.[1]

He is considered the patriarch of the Ellysons in Virginia, and was probably born no later than 1620, given the training required for a physician at the time. Robert Ellyson is a qualifying ancestor of the Jamestowne Society.[2]

According to the Elizabeth Allison Ervin family bible record probably made in the late 1700s, he was the son of Robert Allison and Sarah Spence.[3] However this relationship has been disputed by some researchers, as discussed in the Research Notes below.

Marriage

Robert Ellyson (b. abt 1615/20 - d. abt 1672) is thought to have married Elizabeth Gerard or Gerrard (b. abt 1627/30 - d. before 1672) by 1658 or before. There is some disagreement among Gerard/Ellyson genealogists regarding the identity of Robert Ellyson's wife.

Wagner, Douglas W., states on pg 48 of The Early Generations of the Ellyson Family, that It is generally assumed that Robert Ellyson married Elizabeth, the daughter of Dr. Thomas Gerrard. However, he goes on to say that, Little is known of Elizabeth, except that on September 12, 1658, she was one of the sponsors of Henry Randolph's son, WIlliam. What Wagner fails to note is that is that the same source identifies her as Mrs. Elizabeth Ellison. Thus, we can be relatively certain that Elizabeth married Robert Ellyson (Ellison) sometime between the time she was transported (1650) and when she is said to have been the sponsor of William Randolph (1658). Wagner then makes an error in calculating the marriage date of Robert Ellyson to Elizabeth when he says, There is no record of the marriage of Elizabeth Gerrard, but it was probably shortly after Thomas Gerrard's removal to Virginia in 1659.[4]

Doliante, Sharon J., (1991) disputes a marriage between Elizabeth Gerard and Capt. Robert Ellyson (d. 1665/6 x bef. 28 Sep 1671), barber-surgeon & burgess, of James City co., VA, formerly of Maryland, but agrees that Ellyson's wife went by the first name, Elizabeth.[5] [6]

What we contend is that Robert Elllyson did marry an Elizabeth Gerard between 1650-1658, but not the same Elizabeth Gerard that married (1) Neh. Blackistone abt 1669 in Maryland, (2) Ralph Rymer, and (3) Joshua Guibert. We will provide evidence that indicates that there were two different Elizabeth's with connections to Thomas Gerard, each marrying different men.

Children

We contend that the two Ellyson children are not the children of Elizabeth (Gerard) Guibert but the children of a different Elizabeth that married Robert Ellyson. The Ellyson children are not found in the will of Elizabeth (Gerard) Guibert (Spouse of Johua Guibert)

  1. Gerard Robert Ellyson.[5]
  2. Hannah Ellison.[5]

Land

Robert received land for transportation of 12 persons.[7] His son, Gerrard, later received this land as his heir.[8]

Research Notes

Disambiguation

NOTE: Robert Ellyson is sometimes confused with other individuals by the same name. See Research Notes, below.

Elizabeth Gerard
  1. Robert Ellyson and Elizabeth named their son, Robert Gerard Ellyson, which indicates a possible connection to the Gerard family.
  2. The Slye family bible indicates (1666 birth entry) a possible connection of Elizabeth Ellyson to Justinian and Susannah Gerard, and therefore a possible connection of Elizabeth Ellyson to Thomas Gerard.[9] Susannah Gerard married Robert Slye (m 1652) in Maryland
  3. The Irvin family Bible indicates that the wife of Capt Robert Ellyson was named Hannah Gerard, and that she was a daughter of Thomas Gerard [9]
  4. Elizabeth was one of the sponsors of the baptism of William Randolph (b. 12 Sep 1658), son of Henry Randolph and Elizabeth. The event lists her name as, "Mrs. Elizabeth Ellison."[10]
Two Elizabeth Gerards
  1. Fact: Robert Ellyson and Elizabeth _____ had at least two children, Gerard Robert Ellyson (or Robert Gerard) and Hannah (Ellyson) Armistead. The Ellyson children are noticeably absent from Elizabeth (Gerard) Guibert's will. This would seem to indicate that Elizabeth Ellyson and Elizabeth Guibert are two different persons.
  2. There is no mention of Elizabeth or the Ellyson children in the 1672/73 will of Thomas Gerard however, it is not uncommon for grandchildren not to be named in a grandparent's will. It is believed that Elizabeth Ellyson died prior to 1672.
  3. The Elizabeth that married Robert Ellyson (1615/20 - 1671/72) must have died prior to 1671, since the Ellyson children are said to be orphans after the death of Robert Ellyson (d abt 1671/72).
  4. There is no mention of Neh Blackistone marrying the "widow" of Robert Ellyson. Most sources give the marriage to Blackistone as being Elizabeth Gerrard's first.
  5. Maryland and Virginia Colonials: Genealogies of Some Colonial Families gives Ekizabeth's marriage date to Blackiston as 6 May 1659
  6. Genealogist S J Doliante expressed doubts that Elizabeth Gerard married Robert Ellyson, but did accept that her given name was Elizabeth.[5]
  7. Based on the documented evidence, Elizabeth married Ellyson/Allison by or prior to 1658. Robert Ellyson is said to have died about 1671. Elizabeth is said to have married Neh Blakiston in 1669. If these dates are correct it could not have been this Elizabeth Gerard (Gerard-896) that married Ellyson.
  8. Elizabeth Gerard was transported by her father Thomas Gerard 1650 who we believe may have been the Elizabeth Gerard that married Blakiston, Rymer and Guibert. Thomas Gerard also transported two nieces, Winifred and Bridget (dau of his brother Marmeduke) in 1658, then in 1659 Thomas Gerard transported the 2nd Elizabeth Gerard (possibly another niece). Elizabeth Gerard is also thought to have been born c. 1640-45. The Elizabeth Gerrard that married Robert Ellyson was born abt 1627-30. Source: The New Early Settlers of Maryland lists two Elizabeth's. One Elizabeth Gerard transported in 1650 (daughter of Thomas Gerard) and the other Elizabeth Gerrard transported by 1659.
  9. Elizabeth (Gerard) Guibert died abt 1716 in Maryland according to probate records. Elizabeth (Gerard) Ellyson died in Virginia prior to her husband (by 1671/72). In Oct, 1672 the court of James City Co,, VA ordered that Thomas Viccars be the guardian of Gerrard Robert Ellyson, son and heir of Major Ellyson.
  10. It is estimated that Elizabeth (Gerrard) Blackiston was born abt 1640-45 (Neh. Blackiston b 1636) and she died in Maryland 1716
  11. It is estimated that Elizabeth (Gerrard) Ellyson was born abt 1627-30 (Robert Ellyson b 1615-20) and she died in Virginia bef 1672

Disambiguation
Robert Ellyson is sometimes confused for other persons of similar name and proposed origin. Among them are:
  • Robert Allyson or Allison (bp. 07 Sep 1589 Newton Reigny, co. Cumb), son of Thomas Allison of Newton Reigny, co. Cumb., England.[11]
What is certain is that Ellyson is NOT the son of the married couple, Elizabeth Gray (d. 30 Jun 1665) & Robert Ellison (1614 - 1678), MP for Newcastle, co. Northumb.
Neither did he have any ties to Elizabeth Grey of Morpeth & Deanham (dsp c. 1656 or later), dau. of Catherine le Strange & Edward Grey of Howick, co. Northumb, England. She died single and left a will, dated 11 Oct 1656.[12]
Original Profile Archive
The original profile for Robert Ellyson as it existed prior to the rewrite has been archived in its entirety. It may be accessed at the following link: Space:Robert Ellyson (abt. 1615 - 1671)

Origins

Windyedgee, Avondale, Lanark, Scotland,


JOHN ELLISON was born 1585 in Windyedgee, Avondale, Lanark Scotland, and died 1660 in Virginia. He married ELLIN HAMILTON, daughter of SR. ROBERT HAMILTON. His son,
ROBERT ELLISON died 1656. He married SARAH SPENCE, daughter of WILLIAM SPENCE. His son,
(Dr) ROBERT ELLYSON (ELLISON) born 1612, and died September 01, 1671 in New Kent Virginia. He married HANNAH GERRARD, daughter of SAMUEL GERRARD and JANE ?

Disputed Origins

While onomastics suggest that he is a member of the Ellyson (or Ellison) family of Newcastle, co. Northumb., England,[4] some believe that Ellyson is related to the Alisons of Avondale, Scotland.[13]

Northumberland, England theory

Ellyson of Hawkwell
According to Wagner (1964)[4], Dr. Robert Ellyson (fl. 1640 - 1670) of Maryland and Virginia, descended from Robert Ellyson of Hawkwell, co. Northumb., England.[14] Wagner (1964), is probably referring to Robert Elyson of Hawkwell, near Stamfordham, in co. Northumb., England, who lived during the reign of Henry VII and was the father of Cuthbert and Rowland (living 16 Dec 1494). ... Rowland was apparently married to Isabel, dau. of John Harbottle of Bitchfield, co. Northumb.[15]
Ellison of Newcastle on Tyne
Wagner (1964), also asserts that the American Colonist was a cousin of Robert Ellison, MP for Newcastle (b. c. 1613/4 - d. 1677/8). The latter's first wife was Elizabeth Gray (d. 30 Jun 1665), daughter of Cuthbert Gray of Newcastle [and Backworth] (d. 24 Apr 1623) and Elizabeth Huntley (d. 1636 or aft. Nov 1664). The MP sat during the Long Parliament but was later pardoned.[4][16]

Avondale, Scotland theory

While Doliante (1991) and Wagner (1964), are confident that Dr. Robert Ellyson was from England, another popular tradition seen in family trees, connect him to the Alisons of the Cairnduff estate in Avondale, co. Lanark., Scotland.[17]

Sources

  1. Hardy, S.P., (1958). 'Colonial Families of the Southern States of America; a History and Genealogy of Colonial Families Who Settled in the Colonies Prior to the Revolution, pp. 23-25, 448. Baltimore: Southern Book Co, HathiTrust.org. eBook
  2. Jamestowne Society: Ellyson/Ellison, Robert - A2410; died 1665-66, James City Co.: 1656, 1660-65 (Burgess). accessed 27 August 2020
  3. Laurens Tenney Mills et al, A South Carolina Family: Mills-Smith and Related Lines, (s.p., 1960), 64; digital images, Internet Archive, (https://archive.org/details/southcarolinafam00mill : accessed 29 Dec 2021) (Transcription of Elizabeth Allison Ervin Bible Record, obtained from Julia Ervin, Darlington S.C., 1958).
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 Wagner, Douglas W. Ellyson, "The Early Generations of the Ellyson Family in Virginia." The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography 72, no. 1 (1964): p 42-49; Accessed November 9, 2020, JSTOR (http://www.jstor.org/stable/4246997); also FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/349469-redirection).
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 Doliante, S.J. (1991). "Ellyson," in Maryland and Virginia Colonials. Genealogical Publishing Co.
  6. see also: "Memories," in Elizabeth Gerard FSID# L5TM-M85. (NOTE: identity of wife of Rbt. Ellyson of James City still unresolved).
  7. Land Patents: "Early Virginia Families Along the James River: Their Deep Roots and Tangled Branches, Vol. III"
    Foley, Louise Pledge Heath. Early Virginia Families Along the James River: Their Deep Roots and Tangled Branches, Vol. III (James City County & Surry County, Virginia). Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 49136 #32405 (accessed 20 November 2022)
  8. Land Patents: "Early Virginia Families Along the James River: Their Deep Roots and Tangled Branches, Vol. III"
    Foley, Louise Pledge Heath. Early Virginia Families Along the James River: Their Deep Roots and Tangled Branches, Vol. III (James City County & Surry County, Virginia). Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 49136 #32420 (accessed 20 November 2022)
  9. 9.0 9.1 See documentation in Gerard-1379
  10. Descendants of Henry Randolph. (1895). The William and Mary Quarterly, 4(2), 125-127. JSTOR. doi:10.2307/1915057
  11. "Robert Allyson (bp. 07 Sep 1589 Newton Reigny, co. Cumb), son of Thomas Allyson. FHL microfilm 0924749 IT 1.[1]
  12. see: Elizabeth Grey (Grey-1837) of Morpeth & Deanham, co. Northumb. (will 11 oct 1656).
  13. Archive.org Allison of Avondale, Scotland. eBook.
  14. see also: Rowland Ellison of Hawkwell, co. Northumb., whose eldest son was Cuthbert Ellison, Merchant Adventurer of Newcastle-upon-Tyne. This Cuthbert married twice: m.1 Isabel; m.2 Ann.
  15. Hodgson, J. (1840). A History of Northumberland, Part II, 3, pp. 346.[2]
  16. Elizabeth Gray's husband Robert Ellison, was MP for Newcastle on 01 Dec 1647 and 11 Apr 1660. He survived Gray and remarried to the widow of James Briggs, a late sheriff of the same place.
  17. for family trees w/ Alisons of Avondale, see FS & GlennCourt.com
  • Laurens Tenney Mills et al, A South Carolina Family: Mills-Smith and Related Lines, (s.p., 1960), 64; digital images, Internet Archive, (https://archive.org/details/southcarolinafam00mill : accessed 29 Dec 2021) (Transcription of Elizabeth Allison Ervin Bible Record, obtained from Julia Ervin, Darlington S.C., 1958).




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My mistake. The Disambiguation segment should stay. It's a good article. I misread the spacing.
posted by Dennis Stewart
Hello Chad, thank you for working on this profile. I'm Dennis Stewart, a descendant of Dr. Ellyson and a member of the Jamestown Society. In a prior version of this profile it named the parents of Dr. Ellyson as John Ellison / Allison and Ellin Hamilton. They were actually the -grandparents. The doctor's parents were Robert Ellison and Sarah Spence. They were all detached because someone entered them without a source for some reason. The source for his parents and grandparents is the Ervin Bible. That lineage was correct. For detailed information on the Ervin Bible see the Wikitree profile for John Allison c1577-aft. 1625, or Allison--6155. A duplicate of his wife Ellin Hamilton, 4002, was accidentally created and needs merged. The bible says John Allison came from Windy Edge (an estate) in Lanarkshire, Scotland. There is supposedly a DNA

connect between the Lanark Ellisons and Dr. Ellison. See Wikitree profile for Gerard Robert Ellyson or Ellyson--39, then scroll down to the DNA link. John Allison was born closer to 1577 not-1585 based on descendants est. ages and calibrated backwards. The profile says the 1st Robert Ellison md. Sarah Spence which is correct(bible entry). However, the profile says her father was Wm. Spence but no evidence of that. Though I think she was kin to him because they all lived at Archers Hope. The bible says Robert Ellyson(Dr.) md. Gerard. I think that's correct as they named their 1st son Gerard Robert Ellyson. The best part of this profile is what David Douglas added clearing the confusion of Dr. Ellysons wife, the "Two Elizabeths". His part should be left intact. The Ervin Bible records she was Hannah Gerard. I think the given name is a misnomer. It was his dau. named Hannah. The Slye Bible gives her as Elizabeth which I think is correct based on a record where she wit. a baptism. The profile says she was dau. of a Sam Gerard but no evidence given. For info on Slye Bible see profile of Dr. Ellyson's wife. In the 'Disputed Origin' section I think there is really no conflict. There is a connection between Lanark, Avondale, Scotland and Northumberland Co. Eng. First, the bible says John Allison was from Lanark and his wife was Ellin Hamilton. There is a town in south Lanark called Hamilton. According to Wikipedia these Hamiltons came earlier from nearby Northumberland Co. Point being Northumberland was the English Seat of the Ellisons according to "Genealogies of Virginia Families". The profile as it stands now is a bit convoluted and cluttered with too much collateral data. For example the 'Disambiguation' section which is a waste of space. The profile is more a worksheet which only confuses the reader. I can offer my help in making the profile more coherent and with facts of this man's life supported by strong citations. I have been studying Dr. Ellyson for over 10 years.

posted by Dennis Stewart
I have connected the proposed parents Robert Allison and Sarah Spence based on the Elizabeth (Allison) Ervin bible record & added a citation to that record in the profile, but marked that connection "uncertain" for now based on all of the jumbled discussion of alternative origins theories in the profile. I have just moved all of that discussion into Research Notes for now, but this profile could definitely benefit from someone carefully sorting thru those origin theories and confirming that we all agree they should be rejected. If so, it would be helpful if we could craft a clear discussion of each origin theory and why it has been rejected to be included in the Research Notes.
posted by Scott McClain
Thanks for this! I haven't gotten back to the profile this week but will being do so soon. Bible records are primary sources, and certainly one in the early 1700's would be reasonable to accept, and I think the burden of proof would be to disprove it. Will enjoy looking into that also.
posted by Chad Olivent
"Barber, Chirurgeon and Burgess" do not belong in the name category. l am happy to help with this since I am a Jamestown Team member. If I could get access I will work on the profile. cheers!
posted by Chad Olivent
I would welcome your complete access to work on the profile.

Lamar

posted by Lamar Ross Ph.D
We should be working on Ellyson-40, Dr. Robt. Ellyson, it's a mess. Not Gerard-1379. What's even worse than Ellyson-40 is his son and grandson of the same name. One problem is you have 12 profile managers on the son and grandson. That's too many, I guess created partly by merges. It has the first Gerard R. Ellyson as a Quaker. He was not. He remained with St. Peter's Anglican. It was his son the 2nd Gerard R. Ellyson who was a stalwart Quaker. The profile has the 1st G.R. Ellyson dying bef. 1749. That's really off because his wife Ann(Myhill)Ellyson left a will in 1727--not mentioning him. So it's more reasonable to estimate his death as before 1727 not 1749. Let's stay on Ellyson for now and take one disaster at a time. The Quaker record does in fact have the -2nd- G.R. Ellyson dying in 1749. These are my ancestors and have studied them well.
posted by Dennis Stewart
Thanks Dennis, I agree that several of the profiles in this Ellison/Ellyson, etc., family, need work. I have been working gradually on some of the profiles in later generations trying to trace the line in that Elizabeth (Allison/Ellison) Erwin/Irvin bible record you posted about a few weeks ago, but have been sidetracked by other commitments. I encourage you to post the Quaker correction comments in each of the affected profiles, with a citation to the source you are relying upon (full citation with link to an online version, if you have it). Then, assuming no one objects, we can make all of those corrections in the relevant profiles and begin removing the conflated claims. Thanks again for all your efforts on the Ellison family.
posted by Scott McClain
The Wikipedia article was on Hamilton, Scotland in Lanarkshire.
posted by Dennis Stewart
Here is the evidence supporting the bible entry that John Ellison of Windyedge Farm, Strathaven in Avondale, County Lanarkshire, Scotland married Ellen Hamilton. In the town of Hamiton in Lanarkshire the Hamilton family was prominent. Lord James Hamilton of Lanark married a daughter of King James II. An article in Wikipedia writes, "The Hamilton family themselves most likely took their name from the lands of Humbleton or Homildon in Northumberland". This is significant because nearby Northumberland was the English seat of the Ellisons/Ellysons. So, there is a link there it seems. On person commented implying that the profile Robert Ellison could not get educated due to political turmoil in Lanarkshire. I'm not sure what he was talking about but the Battle of Bothwell Bridge was not until 1679. Dr. Ellyson was already dead in Va. in 1671. But if that were the case political chaos is all the more reason to send your son to be educated elsewhere. Also, see "Allison / Ellison Family DNA Project"(net), Group C. showing a link between Ellisons in Lanarkshire to Ellisons in Va., etc.
posted by Dennis Stewart
Dr. Robt. Ellysons birth year is estimated at c1615. However, his -first- known record appearance is 1642 inferring he was born closer to c1621. I would favor this estimate.
posted by Dennis Stewart
Here is the line of Dr. Robert Ellyson according to the following sources: Erwin Bible family sheet, written after 1783, by Elizabeth (Allison/Ellison) Erwin/Irvin. The bible entry is supported by the following citations, "Original Lists of Persons of Quality 1600-1700", by Hotten, pages 169, 178, 180, 181, 190, 191, 230, 270, 271, & "The Complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1660", by Coldham, pages 37, 39, 40, 41, 58. John of Archers Hope was the doctors grandfather--not father. It seems the doctors father Robert stayed in England. So, 1) John Ellyson from Windyedge, Scotland, wife Ellin Hamilton. They went to Jamestown by 1623. 2) Robert Ellyson, wife Sarah Spence. They seem to have stayed in England. 3) Dr. & Cap. Robert Ellyson, wife Hannah Gerard(bible). He moved to MD & VA by 1642. I would like to add the profiles for the doctors parents and grandpatents as I see no reason to doubt these sources.
posted by Dennis Stewart
Thank you Dennis. Can you provide more detail on the bible record you are referring to? As the profile states, some have claimed that he was the son of John Ellyson & Ellen Hamilton, but no one seems to have identified a reliable source for this claim. I just took at look at the cited pages of Hotten in your post, and I don't follow how those pages bear on this issue, other than to establish that John Ellison and his wife Ellen emigrated on the Prosperous & Charitie. Could you clarify?
posted by Scott McClain
edited by Scott McClain
Grandson not son. The bible was printed in London in 1613 by a Robt. Barker. Here is what was found in the bible, "My father, Robert Allison passed 1772. My mother was Mary Lide or Lloyd, drt. to Robt. Lloyd from Wales to Penn. abt. 1683. My grparents(sic)were John Allison and Elizabeth Matthew's of Va. He being son of Robt. and Ann Myhill. He being son of Capt. Robt. Allison & Hannah Gerard of Maryland & Va. He being son of Robt. Allison & Sarah Spence of V. He being son of John Allison, Ellyson, b. Windyedge County Lanark, Scotland, who marr'd with Ellin Hamilton & came to Va. in early days bef. 1625. The first ones of our family lived in Va. & Maryland. Elizabeth, myself, m. 1744 John Ervin, Sr. Our offspring Elizabeth, Mary, Sarah, James, Robert, John, Mary(?), Jeane, Hugh, and two died young. Both my husband and myself gave gratefully our time & services to our country at beginning of great struggle for Independence. I nursed the sick and John was Commissary assembling medicines & equipments. He never lived to see victory, but I did". The reason I included Hotten and the other source is to show the very early names in the bible sheet were not fictional names.
posted by Dennis Stewart
Thank you Dennis. I agree, this bible record appears to be a very important source that may help resolve the conflicting claims about Robert Ellison's origins. However, I think we need to be careful. Elizabeth (Allison/Ellison) Ervin made this bible record after the American Revolution, i.e., late in her life, probably not long before she died in 1795. Although she likely had first hand knowledge of the details concerning her parents and perhaps grandparents, the lineage of the earlier generations occurred long before she was born and must have been based on handed down family stories. Those family stories may be true and we may ultimately conclude that this bible record is a sufficient source to link those parents, but given all of the other conflicting claims about Robert's origins identified in the current profile, I don't think we should declare the issue resolved without first sorting thru all of the other conflicting sources too and explaining in the Research Notes of the profile why they should be rejected.

For others following this thread -- a transcription of the complete Elizabeth Allison Ervin bible record is contained in Mills et al, A South Carolina Family, s.p. in 1960; available from Internet Archive here. I will add a full citation to the profile.

posted by Scott McClain
edited by Scott McClain
Thank you Scott for entering bible record. There is always one person usually in every family who is the gatekeeper of the family history. In this case it was Mrs. Ervin. Is the bible record perfect? No. But I think she got the lineage right. With me bible entries Trump second-hand sources. I want to thank again David Douglas for adding the section which resolved the question of Dr. Ellysons wife. It was a great piece of genealogical work by David. As for the rest of Ellyson-40 the profile is too long and wasted space in my opinion with useless collateral information

. Wikitree profiles as you know of course are not meant to be genealogical work sheets. I looked at the sources. It seems the profile does not give -clear-evidence of the following: No evidence John Ellison d. 1660 in Va. No evidence Ellen was a dau. of a Robt. Hamilton. No evidence John's son Robert d. 1656. The bible -does-say Robt(Sr.)md. a Spence, but no evidence she was dau. of Ensign Wm. Spence, though they were likely kin. No evidence Dr. Robt. d. Sep. 1. No evidence his wife was dau. of a Saml. Gerard. The sections "Ellyson of Hawkwell", "Ellison of Newcastle..", and the "Disambiguation" are collateral areas I think should have been left off. David Douglas, I think, proved Doliante(1991)wrong. Dr. Ellysons wife was indeed a Gerard. Please see the Wikitree profile of Elizabeth (Gerard) Ellyson c1627-c1672 and scroll down to the section on her husband Dr. Robert Ellyson. I don't mean to sound boastful but that's how Dr. Ellysons profile should have been written. The profile of his wife is long I admit but I was getting attacked from different angles. In my responses it caused the profile to be longer than I wanted. But it is coherent.

posted by Dennis Stewart
So, well okay. But I did re-read Ellyson-40 and no alternate parents have been offered for Robt. Ellyson, except the Lanark line which was deleted sometime in the recent past.
posted by Dennis Stewart
See the comments section Wikitree profile Hamilton-4002, Ellin Hamilton Allison.
posted by Dennis Stewart
The evidence contained in this profile Gerard-896 places substantial doubt that Elizabeth (Gerard) Blakiston was married to Dr Robert Ellyson. In addition, Elizabeth Gerard is said to have married Blakiston in 1669. Ellyson was still living at that time according to his bio. Also to be considered is that the will of Elizabeth Guibert (indicated as her 4th marriage) did not list any Ellyson children as heirs. The Elizabeth (some sources say Hannah) that married Robert Ellyson (Allison/Ellison) is said to have had two children with Ellyson, Robert Gerrard Ellyson and Hannah (Ellyson) Armistead.

In light of this evidence I am proposing that Elizabeth (Gerard) Blakiston be detached as the spouse of Dr Robert Ellyson. If you have any objections, comments or other evidence to support the marriage relationship to Robert Ellyson please leave a comment here on this profile.

posted by David Douglass
Ellyson-215 and Ellyson-40 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicates
posted by David Douglass
Dennis this looks like you created a duplicate of Ellyson-40 ? Please do not create duplicates. You also created this profile without adding a source.
posted on Ellyson-215 (merged) by David Douglass
I accidentally added spouse for Dr. Ellyson. I will remove it (16676).
posted by Dennis Stewart
Spouse accidentally added to profile if Dr. Ellyson. I will remove it.
posted on Ellyson-215 (merged) by Dennis Stewart
On behalf of the Southern Colonies Project I am proposing a re-write of the profile of Robert Ellyson. The purpose of this re-write will be to make the biography more concise and improve readability. No information will be lost in the process. An archived copy of the complete profile as it currently exists has been created and may be viewed at Space:Robert Ellyson (abt. 1615 - 1671). The profile will be re-composed in compliance with WIkiTree style and standards.

If you have questions, concerns, suggestions or comments regarding this proposal please post them here in the comments section or contact David Douglas, SoCol Project.

posted by David Douglass
David,

No objections. A clear re-write is needed.

This profile looks more like a worksheet than a finished (clear and concise) profile. Couldn't the majority of the speculative research and other related background information be moved to a free space page ? This profile as it is written, is confusing, unclear and requires the reader to puzzle through what is known fact and what is research documentation. The profile needs a re-write in order to be able to separate the known facts from speculation.
posted by David Douglass
I have to agree with you David!
This profile appears to qualify for project protection. Shall we do so under US southern Colonies?
posted by Jillaine Smith
US Southern Colonies is a great idea. BUT his parentage is unknown. ... The couple he's connected to at this time is speculative. So before it gets project protected ... a decision needs to be made about whether Robt. should be disconnected from the current parents, who had a child named George. [Couldn't find evidence for a son Robt. when I researched it, so maybe Southern Colonies could take a look at the family of the alleged parents first, and then decide to disconnect or not ... IMHO, the evidence suggested that Robt. prob. immigrated as a doctor. The alleged parents were farmers].
posted by [Living Ogle]
edited by Bree Ogle
For the time being I've added and linked to the speculative parents to the narrative under Disputed Origins and detached them. If/when we can find proof of the origins, we can add them back. I've also added SoCol as co-profile manager and protected the file given the controversy about the origins.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Update ... It's looking like there's a lack of evidence to support orgins from the Cairnduff estate in Scotland.

The 1630s were a turbulent time for the Alisons of Avondale due to political strife. The family seat fell to a female in the line and passed to the Cochranes, while the male line seems to descend into an area near Londonderry, Ireland, through Michael Alison (b. 1654 Windyedge farm), son of James Alison (b. 1621 Cairnduff) & Jean Wilson.

It's also the case that Dr. Ellyson obviously had the time and money to train in the medical profession. Whereas ... the Alisons of Avondale were caught up in war and either sent to prison and sentenced ... or escaped. This lends credence to the Newcastle theory, since the Ellisons in co. Northumb. were the seat of financial power ... and equipped with ships, connections, etc. A barber-surgeon even lived on one of their allied family properties (see will of William Gray, 08 Dec 1656). There's also an apothecary, who was the brother-in-law of the said Wm. Gray. He was Robert Ile, husband of Rebecca Gray, (see Cuthbert Gray of Newcastle).

I'm also skeptical about father/son relations between the doctor and John Ellison of Archer's Hope. John's 1624/5 inventory taken in Virginia, as well as the description of the mother of probable son George (d. 1624 Archer's Hope) ... seem to indicate that they did not have the means to support a son who pursued medicine. So more research is needed in terms of the Scotland and American descent theories.

What I think at the moment ... is that the doctor's licence may have burned in the Great Fire of London 1666 and/or he escaped Cromwell in the nick of time. He could easily have left out of Newcastle ... or if he had to attend a medical conference in London ... catch a ship out of there to live happily ever after in America!:)

NOTE: Antiquarians generally start the pedigree for Ellison of Newcastle with Cuthbert Ellison (will 24 Feb 1556/7). There are problems with the chart given in Flower (1881), as shown in the doctor's bio.

posted by [Living Ogle]
Hey Bree, Dennis Stewart here. Actually John Ellison of Jamestown was grandfather not father of Dr. Robt. according to Ervin bible (pub. 1613). I plan to provide David Douglas with data confirming that line.
posted by Dennis Stewart
Disconnect George Allison and Elizabeth Gray as parents -- tree is wrong.
posted by [Living Ogle]
The Robert Ellyson/Ellison who is a Qualifying Ancestor for the Jamestowne Society:

Jamestowne Society: Ellyson/Ellison, Robert - A2410; died 1665-66, James City Co.: 1656, 1660-65 (Burgess).

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Ellyson-156 and Ellyson-40 appear to represent the same person because: Unsourced 156 is shown as married to Hannah. Birthdate estimate is incorrect but otherwise it’s the same person and should be merged with 40. Thanks.
Ellyson-174 and Ellyson-40 appear to represent the same person because: The profiles share the same wife and they were associated with the same son Robert Gerard (whose profiles were just merged, losing the connection to Ellyson-174).
posted by Christian Asseburg
The children should be Robert Ellyson 1635 and Thomas 1638.
This Robert was married to Sarah Spence. The son Robert was married to Hannah.
I'm doing some cleanup to see about possible merges in the future. No significant changes.
posted by Carole Partridge
Ellyson-101 and Ellyson-89 appear to represent the same person because: After a proposed merge of the wife it left her with three husband with the same information Ellyson-41, Ellyson-89, Ellyson-101. I'm attempting to combine the three.
posted by [Living Smith]

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