Research Note
There were (at least?) two contemporary John Ellises in the Puritan Great Migration, this man who settled in the Plymouth Colony and another, John Ellis, who first appeared in Dedham and settled in Medfield. They are now in separate profiles; in future contributions, be sure you have the right John Ellis. Halsey Bullen
John Ellis was born around 1620, probably in England.[1]
Disputed Origins
A previous version of this profile claimed, without source, that he was the son of John Brooke (sic) Ellis and Ann "Belinda" (sic) Masterson. The theory may originate with the fact that the marriage banns of Richard Masterson of Leiden were witnessed by his brother-in-law John Ellis on 23 Nov 1619.[1][2]
Some have speculated this could be the same John Ellis who was later of Sandwich, Massachusetts.[3] In fact, there is no evidence to link the John Ellis and Belinda (Masterson) Ellis, who were related with Richard Masterson (of St. Peter's parish in Sandwich, Kent, England and Leiden), with John Ellis of Sandwich, Massachusetts.[1][2] These parents have been detached.
For such an association to be correct, the following conflicting information would need to be resolved. Paulick wrote a published article concerning Richard Masterson, John Ellis and Belinda Masterson of Sandwich, Kent. He noted the following facts:[2]
John Ellis, who married Belinda Masterson, was about 50 years old in 1619.[4]
John Ellis and Belinda Masterson were married 30 Apr 1594.[5]
John Ellis had a son named John Ellis who was baptized on 4 Feb 1598/9 in Sandwich, Kent.[6]
John Ellis, son of John Ellis and Belinda Masterson, is not a good match for John Ellis of Sandwich, Massachusetts because he was born about twenty years too early. He would have been about 66 years old when his last child was born (about 1665). Brownson and McLean estimated his birth date to be about 1620 and not later than 1627.[1]
Sandwich, Massachusetts
The first list of settlers in Sandwich, then part of Plymouth Colony, was dated 3 April 1637. No one by the name of Ellis appears on this list. However, John Ellis' name does appear by 1641 among other settlers from Lynn, Duxbury and Plymouth.[7] A list of men age 16 to 60 able to bear arms dated 1643 also contains the name John Ellis.[1] This gives us a basis for an estimate of John's birth (not after 1627 and probably about 1620).[1]
20 Aug 1644, John was accused of fornication, witnesses were called to court to testify in John Ellis and his wife's case. Eventually he was fined 5li for his "long and tediuos delayes occasioning much trouble and charge to the countrey, for that he would not confess the truth untill the present." He was publicly flogged for fornication, as his wife Elizabeth, was sentenced to watch. Apparently, she delivered their child too soon.[1] The birth of the child which caused this commotion was not recorded.
Married before 20 Aug 1644, Sandwich, Plymouth Colony.
In 1651, John Ellis served on the Grand Enquest. He was part of a group who laid out a convenient way from Sandwich to Plymouth. He was approved as a Lieutenant of the military company at Sandwich 9 Jun 1653.[1]
Sandwich is on the coast of Cape Cod Bay and in 1653 John and two others made an agreement with the town "to have ye whales yt come up withing ye limits & bounds of Sandwige and for ye sd whales they are to pay to ye town £16 apiese"[1]
1st of March 1654, John and three others engaged themselves to build a mill. Leftenant Elllis agreed in 1655 to contribute toward building a public meeting house. In Feb 1657/8 he owed the town and was appointed to build and work on the meeting house, which he accepted. He had some trouble "tumultuous carraiage" with a meeting of Quakers at Sandwich, for which he was admonished and fined but later was found no to be as guilty as thought.[1]
The Proprietors Records in the Sandwich Town Hall contain a land survey listing 17 Jan 1658, that contains 20 acres belonging to John Ellis Junr. bordered by the fence of John Ellis Sr. and 20 acres etc. belonging to John Ellis Senr. Which of these is Lt. John Ellis and who is the other one. Both died intestate and the widow Elizabeth Ellis presented both inventories on the same date. Both inventories had the same appraisers. There are several possible scenarios, the most likely being that John Ellis Jr, was a son to Lt. John Ellis, by a first unknown wife. Logic tell us he was not a son of Elizabeth Freeman.[1]
1659 and 1660 John Ellis was allowed by the court to keep an ordinary for the entertainment of strangers and travelers. He was to take care that townsmen did not stay drinking unnecessarily at his house. He and some others laid the line between Barnstable and Sandwich (13 Dec 1659) He agreed to contribute 17 pounds of oil. He engaged to train the militia company of Sandwich.[1]
In the years following, he was to finish the town dock, pay 20s for part of a whale, had his oxen break down the fence and damage the corn of an Indian called William, chosen rater, and was given 20 acres beginning at his cow yard, going down to the beach, etc.[1]
As Indian attacks increased related to King Philip's War (1675) he was to "make provision for the inhabitants to come to safety into the garrison of Town Neck in times of danger." 10 May 1676, he and some others were empowered to hire scouts to keep watch. There is no documentary evidence, but it is not unlikely that Lt John Ellis Sr and John Ellis Jr. were deceased due to some activity of King Philip's War.[1]
Lt. John Ellis was dead by 23 March 1676/7 at which time the widow presented two documents to the court. [1]
"An inventory of the Estate of Lieft. John Ellis of Sandwich, deceased, taken by us whose names are underwritten this 23 day of March 1677 and exhibited to the Court at Plymouth the 5th day of June 1677 as foloweth on the oarth of Mistris Elizabeth Ellis, widdow:" consisted of cloths, household good, military weapons etc., bookes, animals, some lumber and timber valued at £46 11s 0d. Taken by Richard Bourne, John Smith and Thomas Tobey.[1][8]
"An inventory of John Ellis Junr. at Sandwich exhibited before the Court holden att Plymouth the 5th June 1677 on the Oath of Mistris Elizabeth Ellis, widow." The inventory contained cloths, animals, tools, a boat. The inventory was valued at #46. 08s 0d and taken by the same men that took the Sr's inventory.[1][8]
Questionable information
b. 14 SEP 1622/3 St Butolph, Bishops Gate, London[citation needed]
John Ellis' children. Possibly John by a previous wife. Others by Elizabeth Freeman, daughter of Edmund: [9]
John, b. abt 1637 - not proved - maybe born in England by a prior wife
Elizabeth, b. c. 1645, m. 1664 Samuel Briggs. He was an original settler of Scippican, held land in common with William Ellis, andnamed two daughter Elizabeth and Bennet, after her mother and grand mother
Bennet b. 27 Feb 1648/9; m. c 1668 Obadiah Eddy
Mordecai b. 24 Mar 1650/1
Deborah b. c 1652; d. Rochester 21 Jun 1711; m. Joseph Dotey
Joel b. 20 Mar 1654/5; died young.
Matthaias b. 2 June 1657
Manoah b. about 1659
Freeman Ellis, had land which belonged to Widow Ellis first.[1]
Gideon Ellis, had land which belonged to Widow Ellis first and is called son of Elizabeth in the town records[1]
William, Elizabeth calls him son in a Plymouth County Deed (Vol II p 83)[1]
Research Notes
June 4, 1645 (PCR 2:85-86) John Ellis, of Sandwich, for abusing himself with his now wife by committing uncleaness with her before marriage, is censured to be whipped at public post, and Elizabeth, his wife, to stand by whilst execution of the sentence is performed; which was accordingly done. And the said John Ellis, for his long and tedious delays, occasioning much trouble & charge to the country, as he would not confess the truth until the present, is fined vli.[10]
"Lieutenant John Ellis came to Sandwich early with a son John Junior by a previous marriage. He settled in the Sagamore Highlands area near Plymouth line and became active in town affairs, especially in the militia and in construction projects. He made an excellent marriage to Elizabeth Freeman about 1644 and had a large family, descendants of which remain today in Sandwich and throughout the country. His son Mordecai kept the original house, but its location is not yet known. John's son Matthias inherited much of the original Freeman farm. John's other sons left Sandwich for Rochester and Harwich. After the death of Lieutenant John in 1677, his intrepid widow moved to the new settlement of Rochester and became a large landowner in her own right."[11]
↑ Brownson, Lydia B., Grace W. Held, Doris V. Norton, comp., Genealogical Notes of Cape Cod Families, Vol 19, (Duxbury, Massachusetts: 1966). P. 279, referencing New England Historical and Genealogical Registger. Archive.org
↑ R.A. Jr. Lovell, Sandwich A Cape Cod Town (Sandwich, MA: Town of Sandwich, MA, 1996), p. 123.
See also:
"Mayflower Families in the N E H G Register," (n.d.) (Vol. 2. pp. 573-585). n.p.
S9 Cooke, F. (2000). General Society of Mayflower Descendants, Mayflower Families Through Five Generations. (Vol 12). General Society of Mayflower Descendants
Otis, A. (n.d.) Genealogical Notes on Barnstable Families, (Vol One, pp. 386). Google Books
New England Marriages to 1700. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: New England Marriages Prior to 1700. Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015. https://www.americanancestors.org/DB1568/i/21174/508/426884859
NEHGS: The Register, Vol. 174, pg. 109. Spring 2020.
There is a child not included on the list of John and Elizabeth Freeman Ellis family. Nathaniel Ellis was the twin of Mathias Ellis both being for on June 2 ,1657. There is clear evidence of the birth and would like to see it included in the family of children. He, Nathaniel, married Mary Fish and find no children for them.
Sorry, we 'talked over' each other here. Janice - I'm very interested in this family (Ellis & Fish) so I don't want you to think we're jumping on you. I'd love to see any primary source records that tell anything more about these families.
Great Janice, could you advise the date of the will and if possible the County, volume and page where it might be recorded? From what I can find, both John Sr. and John Jr. died intestate and only their inventories were recorded. Plymouth Colony Probate Records, Vol. 3, pt. 2, p. 88.
I just reread the probate for Nathaniel, and the dates don't match, I don't think. Hard to read. I have North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000 for Nathaniel Ellis have him as born in 1659. Ellis Family History by Edward D. Ellis has them, Mathias and Nathaniel being born and twins on June 2, 1657
Ah, ok, that's the will for this John, then I expect. I've looked through all the Sandwich VRs and don't find the "twin" anywhere. Edward Ellis may have been confused in some way? I also checked the fairly comprehensive NEHGR article on the family and there's no mention of Nathaniel in the earliest generation. You can find that article here if you have a membership to AmericanAncestors.org. If not, I can send you a copy of the article if you send me a private message via my profile.
I will go thru all my NEHGR articles. I know everyone wants a "source" looking for it. Edward D. Ellis is my uncle and he spent the better part of his life(95)researching the family and writing a book. Letters from GG's and all. So I know there must be something out there as proof. He didn't do it on the computer in the beginning he drove to the records holder for copies. I will have family look up information regarding it.
Mordecai and Matthias are both here in the original Sandwich VRs. What evidence is there of a twin, or even a brother, named Nathaniel? Are you perhaps confusing Nathaniel Ellis, son of John who was a son of Mordecai, who married Mary Fish? That Nathaniel was born in 1703 & baptized in 1708 and married Mary in 1728.
Was reading the old records of Hatfield, Hampshire Massachusetts there is a John and Mary Allis he is called John Allis then he becomes Lieutenant John Allis. And Mary there’s about a dozen kids.
Births , marriages , deaths 1655-1843 image 50 though 94
Also the Mary Allis -96. On wiki has all of siblings might do a comparison
Name John Ellis
Gender Male
Christening Date 1 Jul 1624
Christening Place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Father John Ellis
Original data: Genealogical Society of Utah. British Isles Vital Records Index, 2nd Edition. Salt Lake City, Utah: Intellectual Reserve, copyright 2002. Used by permission.
Good question Shaun! Unfortunately, John Ellis is a common name and it’s possible to find multiple people with this name who were born in the British Isles around 1610-1630. What seems to be missing from John Ellis of Sandwich’s history is a contemporary record that could prove he was born during a specific year or that he came from a specific county of a specific nation, such as Ireland, Scotland or England. Without such records we are only guessing where he came from or who his parents were based on preconceived notions.
For the best information on this John Ellis, I recommend carefully reading the following at a library that has this journal:
Brownson, Lydia B. (Phinney) and McLean, Maclean W. "Lt. John and Elizabeth (Freeman) Ellis of Sandwich, Mass." New England Historical Genealogical Register 119:161. (1965)
We'd need something to connect the John Ellis christened in Bristol with the John Ellis of Sandwich. If there was, say, a will for the father that mentioned his son in New England, that would be what we're after.
I drafted new biographies for John Ellis Sr. (abt.1569-aft.1629) and his wife Blandina (Masterson) Ellis (bef.1580-bef.1629) that summarizes the 2020 paper written by Paulick in NEHGR. Paulick has written other articles about this John Ellis to show his associations with the Pilgrims from Sandwich, Kent and Leiden, Holland.
Well, as long as I have your attention. I'm just starting on the Ellis family. I have John Jr.'s father as John (1596-1675) and his mother as Blandyna ( or Anne Masterson ). Her brother Richard may have brought John Jr. to America on the Mayflower 1629 (different boat. John Sr. was from Tewkesbury, England and died in Plymouth.
"John ‘O’ Ellis is reported by James Geer Jr., Columbia, S. C. as having come to America first in 1620 as a sailor on the Mayflower, then sailed back to England on the ship Fortune after a year’s stay in Plymouth, only to again return to Sandwich on the ships Ann and Little James. This during the 8th through 26th Novembe 1623." (I don't see him on the passenger list)
This is a profile for the alleged father (1596-1675) He needs some serious research and sourcing to prove that he is the father of this John. They've been disconnected once already for lack of proof. There isn't much about him that's been found. Glad to have you working on him. Avoid the "junk" sources like Ancestry and Family Search indexes and of course unsourced "family trees" don't count.
If you get to the point where you think there is valid sourcing or good evidence, just put a comment on either of the profiles, PGM will get notified.
From a really quick read... It looks from that article that Ellis-58 is conflated. One man brother in law of Masterson in Holland and the other man John Jr who's inventory was presented by Elizabeth Freeman.
I am particularly interested in following this line. I'm trying to trace the antecedants if Richard Ellis, b. 9 September 1686, Massachussetts, possibly Boston who showed up with several other Ellises in Stonington, New London Connecticut, got baptized, 8 August 1697, and married Mary Jelson 22 January, 1705,there and generated a family line I can follow to the present day. Part of my trouble is that it is tempting to tie him onto the Richard Ellis who is described as "the first settler in ???, Massachussetts, but I can't justify that or even believe it. The appearance of the an Englishman named Richard Ellis is tempting, but I need help to sort this out.
Please note the comments above indicating there is ongoing research by the Puritan Great Migration project. Also the the note from the project at the top of the profile about there being more than one John Ellis in New England during this time period.
Care must be taken, and is being taken by the PGM project to bring the latest and most dependable research to this profile. Many times, the most resent research is found at American Ancestors, which can only be searched by paid subscribers.
Yes, Cheryl, I am well aware of how easy it is to find yourself sitting in someone else's tree. I am new to WikiTree but not new to genealogy. I was simply expressing interest in anything found by someone else working on these early Ellises if they ran across something that might lead to a solution to my search.
I am a long physical distance from New England, and our Tulsa Library's Genealogical Branch is, like so much during the Covid crisis, shut down, so although their collection of reference material is extensive, it is not available right now.
Sorry if I spoke out of turn,
Betsy
____ Ely: A Mayflower seaman who was contracted to stay for a year, which he did. He returned to England with fellow crewman William Trevor on the Fortune in December 1621. Genealogist Dr. Jeremy Bangs believes that his name was either John or Christopher Ely (or Ellis), both of whom are documented in Leiden, Holland.[68]
I think that it's a long stretch from Bang's comment that "Ely" might be John or Christopher Ellis in Leiden, to making a claim and proving that he's the father of John Ellis of Sandwich. Neither Anderson or Caleb Johnson have connected "Ely" to the Ely/Ellis in Leiden and certainly not connected him to Ellis of Sandwich.
MQ 51:59 with Bangs' comment is not online at AmerAnc. so I wasn't actually able to look at that, although I do have Stratton.
As I said, weak sources. That is why I posted this in the first place. To see if anyone had heard this. Of course as an OCD amateur genealogist, I tracked down Dr. Bangs in Leiden, Netherlands so I could ask him myself. His reply:
If at some point I said something that you interpreted as an indication that I "thought 'Ely' could be" your ancestor, John Ellis, that points to some misunderstanding. Of course Bradford's "Ely" might be someone named "Ellis" because names are not always given with a consistency that we'd appreciate for our purposes. So "could be" is a very broad agreement that some possibility exists until disproven. There's nothing to go on, however, so "could be" is just as strong as "but might not be."
Is there a source for John's supposed first wife Mercy Mary (whose LNAB should probably be Unknown, anyway, not Mary)? I only find info leading to an unknown first wife, mother of John Jr., and then Elizabeth Freeman. Perhaps the first two wives should be merged into Unknown-300091.
From what I can tell (NEHGR 119:161), the English origins of this John Ellis are unknown and his parents should be disconnected. It is 19th century speculation which has become fact on the internet. The marriage banns of Richard Masterson of Leiden were witnessed by his brother-in-law John Ellis. It was speculated that this could be the same John Ellis later of Sandwich. In fact, there is absolutely no reason to think this is true.
Chris, Lovell's history of Sandwich disagrees with you, says Lt. John married Elizabeth Freeman (see my "research notes" section). I'll keep digging and see what he says about John Jr.
Also ... he lists these as his sources for that paragraph:
the McLean & Brownson article in NEHGR 119:116
Ellis, Ernest C., "Reminiscences of Ellisville", Plymouth 1973
Freeman II:72, 133.
[Edited to add:]
He makes no further mention of son John Jr.
Andrea, the link you posted goes to a page with a number of people with the surname "Man" on it. How do those records relate to this profile, please? Thanks.
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Also "The Ellis Family History" Edward D. Ellis, June 28, 1985. Page 3, Children of Lt. John Ellis and Elizabeth Freeman(173) Twin June 2, 1657.
Do you happen to have a link to his will? I have only found his estate inventory so far. Also, is there a date on the will, by chance?
Thank you
I never would have thought that so much history (family history, in my case) would be easily available.
Births , marriages , deaths 1655-1843 image 50 though 94 Also the Mary Allis -96. On wiki has all of siblings might do a comparison
Name John Ellis Gender Male Christening Date 1 Jul 1624 Christening Place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Father John Ellis
Original data: Genealogical Society of Utah. British Isles Vital Records Index, 2nd Edition. Salt Lake City, Utah: Intellectual Reserve, copyright 2002. Used by permission.
For the best information on this John Ellis, I recommend carefully reading the following at a library that has this journal:
Brownson, Lydia B. (Phinney) and McLean, Maclean W. "Lt. John and Elizabeth (Freeman) Ellis of Sandwich, Mass." New England Historical Genealogical Register 119:161. (1965)
Finding Early Connecticut Vital Records: The Barbour Index and Beyond, by Linda MacLachlan
Benjamin Franklin’s Family: Volume I, English Ancestors, by Michael J. Leclerc
The Colonial Records of Kings Chapel, 1686–1776, ed. by James B. Bell and James E. Mooney
I drafted new biographies for John Ellis Sr. (abt.1569-aft.1629) and his wife Blandina (Masterson) Ellis (bef.1580-bef.1629) that summarizes the 2020 paper written by Paulick in NEHGR. Paulick has written other articles about this John Ellis to show his associations with the Pilgrims from Sandwich, Kent and Leiden, Holland.
edited by Laurence Mohr
Here is one source I found (interesting gives another person who thought Ellis was on the Mayflower) Will need to stalk him. https://ellisgen.com/EllisDatabase/ps02/ps02_037.htm
"John ‘O’ Ellis is reported by James Geer Jr., Columbia, S. C. as having come to America first in 1620 as a sailor on the Mayflower, then sailed back to England on the ship Fortune after a year’s stay in Plymouth, only to again return to Sandwich on the ships Ann and Little James. This during the 8th through 26th Novembe 1623." (I don't see him on the passenger list)
edited by Ellen Altenburg
If you get to the point where you think there is valid sourcing or good evidence, just put a comment on either of the profiles, PGM will get notified.
Let me know how I can help with this research
I see you're fairly new to WikiTree. Welcome.
Please note the comments above indicating there is ongoing research by the Puritan Great Migration project. Also the the note from the project at the top of the profile about there being more than one John Ellis in New England during this time period.
Care must be taken, and is being taken by the PGM project to bring the latest and most dependable research to this profile. Many times, the most resent research is found at American Ancestors, which can only be searched by paid subscribers.
Cheryl Skordahl PGM Leader
I am a long physical distance from New England, and our Tulsa Library's Genealogical Branch is, like so much during the Covid crisis, shut down, so although their collection of reference material is extensive, it is not available right now. Sorry if I spoke out of turn, Betsy
No conflict intended on my part.
Have a nice day,
Cheryl PGM Leader
Eugene Aubrey Stratton. Plymouth Colony: Its History and People, 1620–1691, (Ancestry Publishing, Salt Lake City, UT, 1986) pp. 21, 289
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/ellis/5994/
____ Ely: A Mayflower seaman who was contracted to stay for a year, which he did. He returned to England with fellow crewman William Trevor on the Fortune in December 1621. Genealogist Dr. Jeremy Bangs believes that his name was either John or Christopher Ely (or Ellis), both of whom are documented in Leiden, Holland.[68]
MQ 51:59 with Bangs' comment is not online at AmerAnc. so I wasn't actually able to look at that, although I do have Stratton.
If at some point I said something that you interpreted as an indication that I "thought 'Ely' could be" your ancestor, John Ellis, that points to some misunderstanding. Of course Bradford's "Ely" might be someone named "Ellis" because names are not always given with a consistency that we'd appreciate for our purposes. So "could be" is a very broad agreement that some possibility exists until disproven. There's nothing to go on, however, so "could be" is just as strong as "but might not be."
I did not know he was even still alive! And what a great response. Love the last sentence!
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I can't yet locate the list in the Sandwich town records where he found this list of householders.... working on it.
Also ... he lists these as his sources for that paragraph:
[Edited to add:] He makes no further mention of son John Jr.
Most of this bio seems to be related to son John Jr. who married Elizabeth Freeman.
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