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Joan (Clyfton) Chamberlayne (abt. 1260)

Joan Chamberlayne formerly Clyfton aka de Clifton [uncertain]
Born about in Oxfordshire, Englandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married before 1310 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] in Oxfordshire, Englandmap
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Profile last modified | Created 11 May 2014
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Contents

Biography

Birth and Parentage

Marriages and Family

By 4 April 1280 she had married William Chamberlayne, Lord of North Riston/Reston, Lincolnshire, to whom the Northamptonshire manor of Petsoe, Emberton, (sometimes called Pettesho in future deeds)[1] had been conveyed by John Lindsey before 1274 in exchange for other lands.[2] In fact, Petsoe appears to have already been in the Chamberlains' possession in around 1260 [1] probably through a connection with the d'Ekeney family, into which John de Morteyn married - producing Jane/Margaret Morteyn, who married John Chamberlayne.

Sometime before 1284, William Chamberlayne had died, leaving Joan a widow with a son, Robert.[2][3]

In 1286 she proved her right to a view of frankpledge once a year, waif, gallows, tumbril, and quittance of suit of county and hundred. She is still called Joan Chamberlain in 1302, when she was holding 'Petesho', [4]and 1304, but before 1310 had married Saer de Raundes, (active in Edward I's Scottish campaign of 1301) [5]with whom she was defendant in an action brought by Simon Lindsey to recover the manor.
He claimed as son and heir of John and Joan Lindsey, his elder brother Adam having died without issue, but Joan, again a widow, having produced a charter, he renounced all rights in 1313. In the same year she settled Petsoe on herself for life, with reversion to Robert son of her first husband William Chamberlain and his heirs. She was returned as lady of the manor in 1316, and in 1323 she and Robert Chamberlain obtained licence to make, with Richard Chamberlain, a fresh settlement of Petsoe, which took place in the following year, whereby contingent remainder was assigned to Richard, infant son of John Chamberlain, and Margaret his wife.[2]

Death

Reference Notes

  1. When Joan's profile was created, she was assigned vital dates which do not align with the documental evidence. When her dates are edited, which they should be, massive discrepancies show up with following generations, reflecting the challenge we have to provide an accurate progression for this line.
  2. There is a real problem connecting Joan's son Robert (who may have died without issue) with the next generation. The Victoria County History of the Parish of Emberton,[2] introduces a Richard Chamberlain without explaining his relationship to Joan or Robert, (was he Robert's brother?) who, with Richard, made a settlement of the manor of Petsoe to 'John Chamberlayne' and his wife Margaret's son, Richard.
  3. Question: What relationship was John Chamberlain to William Chamberlain - a brother perhaps? And who was his son, Richard with wife Margaret? The question was asked back in 1998, and arguably before that as well[6]

Subsequent research has found that Joan le (alias la) Chamberleyn was holding half a knight's fee in Petteshoo, Buckingham, in an Inquisition taken on 11 August 1314 (7 Edw II). [7]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Lipscomb, George, (1847). The History and Antiquities of the County of Buckingham, Vol 4. Buckinghamshire (England): J. & W. Robins. Retrieved from Google e-books (Here;) Accessed 1 Feb 2022.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Parishes: Emberton," in A History of the County of Buckingham. (Vol. 4). (1927). Ed. William Page London: Victoria County History, 338-343. Retrieved from British History Online (Here;) Accessed 7 Sept 2021.
  3. Bennett, Nicholas Hamilton., The Beneficed Clergy in the Diocese of Lincoln During the Episcopate of Henry Burghersh, 1320-134: With a Calendar of his Institution Register (Vol. 1 (of 2), pp.189, 191). Thesis submitted for the degree of PhD to the University of York (Department of History), September 1989. Retrieved from e-Thesis (Here;) Accessed 7 Dec 2021.
  4. Feudal Aids, Maskelyne, Anthony Story; Johnson, C; Stamp, Alfred Edward; Lyle, J. V., (Inquisitions and assessments relating to feudal aids, with other analogous documents) preserved in the Public record office; A.D. 1284-1431; published by authority of H.M. principal secretary of state for the Home department. London: Stationery Office. Retrieved from the Internet Archive (p.104) Accessed 13 Feb 2022.
  5. The Parliamentary Writs...(1837). Retrieved from Google e-Books (Here;) Accessed 1 Feb 2022.
  6. Google Groups Soc. Genealogy. Medieval. Retrieved from (Soc. Genealogy. Medieval) Accessed 1 Feb 2022.
  7. Great Britain Public Record Office (1908)., Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Edward II. HM Stationery Office. Retrieved from (p.233;) Accessed 28 June 2022.
  • Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/18/65, number 14.: [1]




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Data Doctors have quite rightly pointed out that Joan was too old to have been married to Saer de Raundes by 1310. The problem is that when Joan's profile was created, she was assigned vital dates which do not align with the documental evidence. When her dates are edited, which they should be, massive discrepancies show up, firstly with her second marriage date, and then with following generations down to the end of the 14th century at least.

Can someone help with this? I think, when the profiles for this line were first created, there were inaccuracies from the start. Would love to collaborate on this project with anyone who has the time, and access to sources.

posted by Frances (Piercy) Piercy-Reins
edited by Frances (Piercy) Piercy-Reins

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