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Tamar (Byrd) Molten (abt. 1710 - abt. 1763)

Tamar Molten formerly Byrd aka Holmes, Carr, Molten
Born about in Chowan Precinct, Albemarle, North Carolinamap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married after 1725 (to 1735) in Edgecombe, North Carolinamap
Wife of — married 1735 (to after 7 Nov 1742) in Bertie County, North Carolinamap
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 52 in Duplin, North Carolinamap [uncertain]
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Biography

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Tamar (Byrd) Molten was born in North Carolina.
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Tamar (Byrd) Molten was a North Carolina colonist.

Tamar (Byrd) Holmes Carr Moulton was born about 1710.[1]

Origins

Tamar was born circa 1710 in Chowan Precinct, Albemarle County, later Bertie County (later Edgecombe), North Carolina.[2] The birth date of 1710 is a guess, based on the birth date of her second husband (1710).[citation needed] Note that her first husband John Holmes (1677-1735) first marriage apparently lasted from 1710 until Dorothy (Hardy) Holmes died in 1725. Thus, we can only estimate that Tara's first marriage was 1725 or later (FindAGrave says without source, 1735).
The Birth Date is a rough estimate. See the text for details.

Tamar's 1st Marriage

Tamar married three times. Tamar married (as his 2nd) and as her 1st, John Holmes (1677-1735).[3] As previously mentioned, her first husband was widowed in 1725, but we do not have a marriage document.

Some attribute one child to John and Tamar Byrd:[3]

  1. Mary Holmes, who married Joseph Scott

However, others attribute no Holmes children to Tamar.

Discussion of John's Children

In John Holmes Jr's 28 Feb 1735-6 will (proved May Court 1736),[1] Mary is specifically named as his youngest child. [NOTE: As is the youngest son also named as follows: these were Dorothy's children, as their birth dates do not reconcile to Tamar being their mother, nor with the timing of Dorothy's death and their accepted birth dates.] A slave girl was provided to Tamar for her use until Gabriel, the youngest son [from his first marriage], reached the age of twenty-one.[3] In the will of Patrick Carr, who was Tamar's 2nd, the wishes of John Holmes are reinforced by specifying that Tamar would have the use of the slave woman until Gabriel Holmes reached twenty-one.[3] This shows that the wife of Patrick Carr was the same as the widow of John Holmes, Jr. When Tamar made her will in 1763, she named only five children. First was Mary (Holmes) Scott, (no other Holmes children), listing her before the four Carr children, all in the same order as in Patrick Carr's will, presumably in order of birth. This does not prove her maternity/paternity, however, as has been described, Tamar could not have been the mother of Mary Holmes, John Holmes' youngest daughter, as she was born well before his first wife, Dorothy, died. It is interesting to note that Mary but none of the older Holmes children (and the four Carr children) were in Tamar's 1763 will. Certainly, as Mary was the youngest of all of John's children, she must have felt an affinity.

Tamar's 2nd Marriage

Tamar married about 1735 in Bertie County, North Carolina, as her 2nd husband, Patrick Carr, who died ca 1742.[3][2]

Children of Tamar and Patrick Carr (1710-1742) who died in Bertie County (Edgecombe County after 1741).[3][2][4]

  1. Jonathan Carr (1739-1799) lived in Sampson County, North Carolina; married Patience Turner 1765 in Sampson County
  2. Thomas Carr (1734-1798) lived in Sampson; married Mary, who was named in his 22 Mar 1798 will (see Find A Grave: Memorial #184431888); Mary died about 1833
  3. Winifred "Winny" born about 1737; married (1) Jacob ~Fryer; died before 21 Dec 1785 in Sampson; married (2) Jacob Warren
  4. Margaret "Peggy" (born 1741) married Jones
  5. Patrick Carr (born 1743)

Patrick's 1742 will named his wife Tamar, sons Thomas and Jonathan and daughter Margaret, (Winifred was not yet born). Sons Thomas and Jonathan lived in Sampson County, North Carolina, (in 1784 the western part of Duplin County became Sampson County). Their descendants migrated to Alabama.[2]

Tamar's 3rd Marriage

Tamar married as her 3rd to Mr Molten or Moulton.[3] Apparently there were no children of this marriage.

Death and Legacy

Tamar died after 1762/3,[1] when her will was proved.[3] She probably died in Duplin County, North Carolina, where her will was recorded.

She made her will 2 Sept. 1761, using the name Molten, proved in Duplin County, North Carolina in May Court 1762/3:

Molten, Tamer, written 2 Sept. 1761, proved May Court 1762. Daughter Mary Scott, one spice mortar, ten shillings proclamation money; son Jonithan Carr twenty shillings proclamation money; daughter Margaret Jones one iron pot rack, one brass hackel; granddaughter Tamer Jones twenty shillings proclamation money; daughter Winny Carr one feather bed and furniture, two cows and calfs, two sows and five shotes that I bought of Cannon Cason, one puter dish, two puter plates, one puter midlesised bason, one lining wheal, my saddle and my executor to get it New Cevered [sic]; son Thomas Carr all and singular my land. Executor: Thomas Carr. Signed: Tamer (+) Molten. Witnesses: Samuel Webster, Joshua Chesnutt, Martha (+) Chesnutt.(Duplin County, North Carolina Will Book A, pages 286-287)[5]

Slaves

  • For a time, she was heir to an unnamed slave girl from her first husband (who died 28 Feb 1735). Her stepson, Gabriel Holmes (1711-1790), was to receive the slave upon his age of majority.

Research Notes

  • Birth dates of the children of Tamar and Patrick Carr are estimates, based on the marriage date (1735) and supposed birth order, as listed in the wills of their parents. Some follow what is on FindAGrave.
  • Gabriel Holmes needs to be moved to John Holmes' first wife in terms of maternity/paternity.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 22 February 2022), memorial page for Tamar Byrd Carr (1710–1762), Find A Grave: Memorial #184414407; maintained by Bonnie Baker (contributor 47355314), Burial Details Unknown.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Noble, Pat "My Carr Database", updated August 4, 2012, Web accessed July 23, 2014
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 3.7 Taunton, Michelle "Re: Byrd's in NC ", ancestry board post made 14 August 2001, Web accessed July 23, 2014. See also: Gammon, David Bryant. Abstracts of Wills, Bertie County, North Carolina, 1722-1774. 1990, p. 19. Raleigh, North Carolina: D B Gammon.
  4. Britt, Edward, M., "View Tree for Patrick CarrPatrick Carr (d. date unknown)", Web accessed July 23, 2014
  5. Taunton, Michelle "Re: John Holmes, b. c. 1675 & Tamar Byrd", posted June 25, 2000, Web accessed July 23, 2014

Acknowledgments

  • Steve Stam initiated this profile Friday, 6 Feb 2015.
  • See the Changes page for the details of contributions and edits.




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Byrd-1749 and Byrd-427 appear to represent the same person because: same name, same spouse
posted by Jack Graham
Byrd-427 and Carr-5424 appear to represent the same person because: only the first marriage is listed at the duplicate profile, and the maiden and married names are incorrectly transposed. Note that the husband has no evidence of marrying two Tamars. Note that the children that match with this profile (see the FindAGrave list that is on Carr-5424) reconcile with those listed from the various family tree citations on Byrd-427. By the way, Byrd-427 should be worked up on FamilySearch, as some descendants for certain are already built-out on FamilySearch; that way, perhaps we can get some actual sources for Tamar Byrd, her husbands and descendants where they seem to be sorely lacking.

As time permits, I will continue to work this line in order to contribute sources. Speaking of the family tree sites that are used as citations: if they list sources on those sites, then the entries can be reworked [e.g., birth, marriage or death #### XYZ as shown at: website, citing: (a valid registration source or even a secondary source with attribution)]. I'll take a look, myself, too.

Once again, these two Tamars are the same people (Tamar Byrd who married after being widowed a few times) and the merge should be in the direction of Tamar Byrd with the maiden name being kept and the verified additional married names recounted in the final profile. Let me know if you want to add me to the trusted list and I'll be glad to do the merge for you.

posted by Porter Fann

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