Need help with a problem connection. [closed]

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I received a request for trusted list, and was going to add him but the profile he connected to mine seemed strange as he was born in Ireland and lived in Kingston Ontario. My profile (supposed father of his) was born in NH, so was his father. So I went about sourcing his profile so I could be sure. There is nothing that makes me think this profile should be connected to my profile. So I replied to his email with my reasons and disconnected until we could find a better connection. My profile also had a son of that name but he died in 1826 and is buried with the family in NH. His profile died in 1885. Today I get an email that he is very sure these connect. With sources from a AFT, which I have so can see them. A lot of refs I added to his profile. He has reconnect the profile son, to my profile and insists it stay. On his AFT he has the death as 1826 & 1885. He couldn't have those children if he died in 1826. Anyway, can someone take a look at these profiles and see if I am correct. Maybe I missed something. I have not removed the profile he added again yet so you will see the wrong parents on his. If right I will disconnect his profile and ask for privacy for my profile.

My profile https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clifford-3162

His profile is below

Thanks

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Terry, if this has been resolved, you can close the question.

Answer 1

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clifford-3947

1861 Census (http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1861/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=143975)

1871 Canada Census (http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1871/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=1622571)

1881 Canada Census (http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1881/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=3134450)

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Thank you! I will add them. I saw the 1861 but could not read it well and being a tailor threw me off, as he was a mariner in other recorders.  But hadn't seen the 1871 or 1881.

Can you read what the 1861 says for residence of boys. Gamison or Garrison Island??

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Occupation may be Sailor

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Thank you, I changed it to sailor as it makes much more sense.

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The boys' residence might be Garden Island (which per Google Maps appears to be located between Kingston and Wolfe Island).

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Garden Island ???

Name:	David Clifford
Age:	21
Gender:	Male
Birth Place:	Kerry County, Ireland
Residence:	Garden Island
Spouse Name:	Maria Mooney
Spouse Age:	16
Spouse Gender:	Female
Spouse Residence:	Garden Island
Marriage Date:	25 Jan 1859
Father Name:	David
Mother Name:	Mary Kingham
Spouse Father Name:	John
Spouse Mother Name:	Eliza Vanee
County:	Frontenac
Microfilm Roll:	1030056

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same record as above, different transcriptions

Name:	David Clifford
Gender:	Male
Event Type:	Marriage
Marriage Date:	25 Jan 1859
Marriage Place:	Wolfe Island Township, Ontario, Canada
Father:	David Clifford
Mother:	Mary Shughrin
Spouse:	Maria Monroy

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The mother name on the second one makes me feel that is it is their son David. And on the 1861 census, I put a question mark on the profile, cause it didn't quite look like married. But apparently he was. Thanks you.

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I think it does show D Clifford as married.  I think this is also the son David in the 1861 census with his wife http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1861/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=748458

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I agree. Don't think they had any female children that started with M. I put a note on the census info on profile.

Also looking at the written record on David and Maria's marriage I think her father was Moony, but there is another word looks like "Zaftsman" written with quotes after his name. Could it be Raftsman like his occupation?

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They did have a daughter named Mary who marries Ed Laverty

Name:	Mary Clifford
Gender:	Female
Death Age:	25
Event Type:	Burial
Birth Date:	abt 1842
Death Date:	abt 1867
Burial Date:	20 May 1867
Burial Place:	Ontario, Canada
Spouse:	Edward Laverty https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/161266162

Name:	Mary Clifford
Baptism Age:	0
Event Type:	Baptism
Birth Date:	16 1842
Baptism Date:	5 May 1842
Baptism Place:	Ontario, Canada
Father:	David Clifford
Mother:	Ann Shaugh (assuming bad transciption)

Answer 2

Terry, have you located David (1775-1843) on any census records?

From reviewing the data, I don't see any possibility that Clifford-3947 is the son of Clifford-3162.  There appears to be no proof that David b 1775 was ever in Ireland, so if the PM for David b 1803 insists his David was born there, then the profiles should be detached.  Have you discussed this with the other PM?  If not, I suggest that you post on that profile...

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He contacted me by email multiple times. And posted on my profile a few times as well. He is insistent...

I found 1810 1830 1840 census records, just added them. It appears he could be living next to his father, Joseph, in 1810.

Answer 3

along with disconnecting the other David (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clifford-3947) that cannot be the son of https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clifford-3162 and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mudget-10 due to location and dates.

the other last name of Kingham on this profile needs to be removed https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mudget-10; Kingham is a bad transcription of Sughrue; which is the first wife of the David (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clifford-3947), and not his mother and definitely not the mother he is currently attached to. 

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Thanks for the heads up. I see he has been busy. It was orphaned, he adopted it. I adopted David Clifford while doing sourcing quite a while back and added a lot of his sibling. Never got around to doing much with her.  He seems determined to further his tree and thinks I am standing in his way, has threatened me with going to higher ups. Which is why I posted here earlier to make sure I am correctly looking at the situation. He is new to wiki so might need more guidance, which I was trying to do, by sourcing his profile.

One of his problems is, he working from a very bad Ancestry Tree, full of mistakes.

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I have now disconnect https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clifford-3947 from https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clifford-3162 and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mudget-10 again.  

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I saw the tree, a father born in 1840 with a son born in 1805

Answer 4

Thank you all for your help today. We have improved his profile.