Are you a male who has tested with AncestryDNA?

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If you are a male who has tested with AncestryDNA  (and you have NOT taken a Y-DNA test), then you can still discover your basic Y-DNA haplogroup by following these instructions:

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Then in WikiTree you can say you took an "Other Y-DNA" test and enter your estimated haplogroup.  In the note field you should say that you tested with AncestryDNA and used MorleyDNA.com to estimate your Y haplogroup.

You CAN'T use just a basic haplogroup for DNA confirmation of father/son relationships on a direct paternal line in WikiTree.

There is no benefit in doing the above if you have already taken a Y-DNA test.

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This is way cool. I just entered my dad's AncestryDNA test results and got my family's estimated haplogroup (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2). However, since I'm female, it won't let me add the "Other Y-DNA" test to my own profile. And since my 87 year old father is not a member (and is computer illiterate so not likely to become a member), I can't add it to his profile either. :-(

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Jodi,

Next time you go visit your dad, explain what WikiTree is, and ask him if it's okay to set up an account for him. If he agrees, sit beside him and do it for him. You can always create a free gmail account for him if needed. My mother-in-law agreed to do Ancestry testing after their change in policy. She doesn't own a computer or smartphone and has no desire to. (She tested because I asked her to.) I created a gmail address for her, joined Ancestry with that email account and then made myself the manager of her kit. She got to see her results on my laptop, and that was enough for her. I think it is within the spirit of the rules to do the same with your dad and WikiTree.

Pam Tabor

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hid my first reply as after I followed the link it was actually Moreley, which I have used... very useful at a high level and I wish everyone would run it and update here.  I also wish everyone that knows their data put the category on their profile etc...

Answer 1

That is pretty nifty, It did give me a estimate that matched my Geno 2.0 estimate of G-P303.

My actual terminal subclade is still farther down the line but that is well in the ballpark.

Thanks for this info Peter.

Answer 2

I decided to test it, see how far it could go with my AncestryDNA v2 data from 2016, and it's not bad (especially for free!) - picked up my M269, U106, and Z18, and many of the notable SNP's along this 'haplotrail'.  That's a yDNA haplogroup of R-Z18.  It's not as good as Living DNA, a couple of levels short of their result.  It's roughly equivalent to an FTDNA STR test plus one SNP pack, would help you decide.what the next SNP pack should be on FTDNA (if you already have an FTDNA kit of some kind).

Thank you Peter!

(Not sure but it may require Windows)

Answer 3

This is really interesting. I think it can be useful for people who have tested their y-DNA directly. FTDNA only provided a basic estimate of my y-DNA Haplogroup. They have improved their reporting in recent years, but older results have not been updated. 23andMe actually provided me with a more specific subclade than FTDNA. The estimate I just received from MorleyDNA.com compares quite favorably with the detailed report that one of my close y-DNA cousins received from his more detailed test. So I think that many men may derive significant information, even if they have tested their y-DNA with FTDNA.

Answer 4

I'm just trying to work out then, how to take the results to enter into Wikitree under other Y-DNA. How do you tell how many markers are tested? What is the mitoYDNA ID? My haplo group seems to be R1a1a1a R1a [L664]. At the bottom of the window though, it displays R1a1a1b1 or R1a1a1b2. I'm not sure why some test markers come up in Red, and others in dark green.

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Hello Ben, Your estimated Y haplogroup is R-L664.  Please use that Y haplogroup in WikiTree.  Your estimated Y SNP is L664.  

This information allows you to make use of the following tools. 

SNP Tracker: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=L664

SNP Age: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=L664&tab=snps

Tree Explorer: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/treeExplorer.html?snp=R-L664

You have not tested any Y STR markers.  mitoYDNA.org is a Y chromosome database (and mitochondrial DNA database).  mitoYDNA is for Y chromosome STR markers (and mitochondrial DNA differences from the revised Cambridge Reference Sequence [rCRS]).

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Thank you for your help Peter.

Answer 5

Followed directions. Got results. Opened Other-yDNA. Now how do I use the results?

N1c1a1a1a~1

N-M46

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Just a note since this Question is a few years old: there's a quicker and easier option for men who have taken an AncestryDNA autosomal test (or MyHeritage) to obtain a predicted Y-haplogroup: https://cladefinder.yseq.net/. That's operated by the respected Thomas Krahn, CEO of YSEQ and one of the designers, back in the day, of the lab in Houston that Family Tree DNA uses.

Joseph, I don't see on your profile yet that you've added that "Other Y-DNA" test. One sort of tricky step is that it may not be completely clear there is a final step to save the information after you've entered it.

Step two would be to begin filling out your own lines starting with your parents. WikiTree can't do any actual DNA analysis because it stores no DNA results. It only knows that you've taken a test, and the info you supply along with entering that test onto your own profile.

It takes a day or two for the information to propagate around the tree, but it can only distribute as far as your own connections go. In the case of your yDNA, that's your patrilineal line...which also includes those ancestors' male children and their male descendants. So yDNA can spread pretty far into a lot of "DNA Connections" panels if your line is broadly connected in the tree. But it won't go anywhere at all unless you have some of that patrilineal line filled out.

It would be very interesting to see what that Cladefinder option shows as a predicted haplogroup. N-M46 is very, very old--somewhere around 15,800 and 11,900 years old, in fact--and it doesn't correspond to the deeper, old-style nomenclature of N1c1a1a1a. In fact, even the 2019-2020 ISOGG Haplotree has no designation for a N1c branch at all.

The N-M46 SNP (single nucleotide polymorphism) is now more commonly shown on haplotrees as "N-TAT." An older Project at FTDNA, "N1c1 Haplogroup" indicates that a defining marker for N1c1 at that time was N-M178.

N-M178 now displays as N1a1a at ISOGG. So adding N-M46 as your haplogroup probably won't help; there's clearly been a restructuring at a deep level of the basal N haplotree since the Morley DNA Predictor was written some six or more years ago.

If I were you, I'd give a run at Cladefinder to see if you can obtain more useful information to add to that "Other Y-DNA" test on your profile.

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Thanks for the education. I'll give Cladefinder a try and compare results.

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N-L550

I'm learning as I go.

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Ah ha. That's a bit more specific and useful.

In the older, Y Chromosome Consortium naming convention that the ISOGG haplotree uses, that would be N1a1a1a1a1a1a...where the six repetitions of "1a" give good indication of why that convention has slipped into disfavor.

Here's L550's location on the Family Tree DNA haplotree: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/N;name=N-L550. That moves us several levels deeper within haplogroup N.

FTDNA provides a summary of that branch of the tree here: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/N-L550/story. It's still an old branch--with 492 other sub-branches below it--but at least we've moved from circa 14,000 years ago to around 850 BCE. Our autosomal tests look at a relatively small selection of SNPs, so the data they have can only take us so far.

FTDNA has 1,309 men who have taken for-purpose yDNA tests and tested positive for that marker, so it might be worth considering taking at least their 37-marker test sometime in the future. The test-takers who have done Big Y sequencing belong to branches that date about 1900 years more recent than L550. Also of interest, L550 was carried by the males of the Gediminids dynasty that founded and ruled the Grand Duchy of Lithuania for 200 years. Grand Duke Vytautas the Great (c. 1350-1430) is considered the national hero of Lithuania.

That level of haplogroup knowledge can't do much toward positive matching, but it can be extremely informative as negating evidence. In other words, L550 is too old to inform us if two men who both carry the variant might be related in the genealogical timeframe. But if you encounter a DNA tested male who is not in basal haplogroup N, or who is N but does not belong within the same hierarchical set of branches as your L550, then you can  definitely rule them out as having a common patrilineal ancestor within the past 1,500 years or more. It can't match street addresses for you, but it can tell you if one of the addresses in is the wrong postal code or wrong city entirely.

Have fun with the search!

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You can also use https://www.wegene.com/en/ to find your haplogroup using your Ancestry Raw data.

I tried this and Cladefinder and they both matched me to DF-19

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The SNP is DF19 and the haplogroup is R-DF19.

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=DF19

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=DF19&tab=snps

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/treeExplorer.html?snp=R-DF19

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R-DF19 exactly, my typing fingers were ahead of my brain.

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I went to the wegene site but didn't find a place to upload. In fact, I couldn't find any live links. This looks like a splash page. Any suggestions?

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That's strange.

When I go to it there are options to register and import data on the front page.

Answer 6

Hi,

That link appears to be bad, any update?

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I’ve changed the link to https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Thank you for pointing out the old link was broken.