Can you help locate sources for Susannah Martin married to Isaac Fallis?

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I have proposed a merge between Susannah Martaine and Susannah Martin.  They are clear duplicates.  The profile for Susannah Martaine has a long list of children, some of whom either don't belong (due to being born before she was!) or else their dates of birth are incorrect.  Additionally, there are no sources for the children.  I located her on Find-a-Grave and added that to her profile so she at least had a source.  I also added an ancestry tree that lists numerous children. Can anyone locate reliable sources (and ancestry.com trees are not considered so, for those that might want to go that route  )?  If so, please note so here and on their profiles.  Otherwise, the first few children need to be detached or merged away . . .

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I located this site, which has some information about the Fallis line: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~sfollis/genealogy/follis/follis_information.html

Update:  I located a post on the Fallis surname forum at genealogy.com asking if the Susannah Martin that married Isaac Fallis was descended from the "prominent Walter Chiles family of 1637 Jamestown, Virginia" with this possible line:  

Walter Chiles I > Walter Chiles II > John Chiles >
Susannah Chiles Martin > George Martin > Susannah Martin Fallis???

I then located 'Susannah Chiles Martin' at Find-a-Grave . . .

I'll keep hunting.  Help is appreciated!

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The Martin / Martaine confusion belongs to the Susannah Martin who married Isaac Fallis and who is probably not the Susannah Martin descended from Walter Chiles (see my earlier comment and replies thereto). The source of this confusion is a letter from (I believe Isaac's) "Uncle Billy" that is on Heritage. The letter is a summary of the history of the Fallis family. If you read the entire letter, you will see it is riddled with irregular spellings for many names and words, and "Martaine" for "Martin" appears to be one of them. Susannah is mentioned briefly as the wife of Isaac, but no information is provided about her parents, family background, etc.

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Yes. I just sent the copy to Randolph King. They are related to the Bledsoe and Issac is named after my uncle Isaac Bledsoe. I think that marrage is documented in that journal.

You can run myself against his profile to see the people. This is not a source for her. It's a source for her husband. I am not related her directly as my surname. As far as I know that would be embarrassing.

Answer 1

Been looking on Findmypast and can’t find Susannah Martin. There are a number of Isaac!s but they don’t correspond

Answer 2

there are several listed in myhertiage, if i had birth date or more it would help, they show inn the 1740's

Answer 3

I am in the same boat. I have been able to establish through census records that my 4x great grandfather was Dr. George Fallis (31 July 1773 in Berkley, VA - 25 July 1832) in Henry County, KY). His parents are listed as Isaac Fallis and Susannah with maiden surname sometimes spelled 'Martaine' and sometimes as 'Martin.' But I am stuck trying to locate correct and appropriate source documents and for her father, who I have suspected is this George Martin. I think your suggestion that these be merged is correct, but can't "prove it" yet.

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This woman is not the Susannah Martin connected to Walter Chiles. That Susannah was Susannah Page Chiles, his granddaughter, born about 1700.  She married Joseph Martin, an immigrant,about 1725-1730. They had a daughter Susannah Martin, born late 1730’s. That Susannah was unmarried when her father wrote his will in 1760. She lived in Albemarle County, Virginia.  

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I would be interested to know your sources for that.  The will of Joseph Lynch Martin, Sr., (married to Susannah Chiles) which I have lists 5 sons and six daughters. One of the sons is named George. One of the daughters is named Susannah. The question I have is whether that George Martin had a daughter also named Susannah and if so, whether that Susannah Martin married an Isaac Fallis. If that lineage is accurate, that would connect them to the Walter Chiles. I am not saying you are wrong, but I want to make certain we are talking about the same generations.

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George Martin, son of Joseph Martin and Susannah Chiles,  died in 1774 in Albemarle County, Va.  wife believed to be Molly Durrett.  Abstract of his will says “13 July, 1774.  March Court 1777.  Of Fredericksville Parish, Albemarle County.  Daughters Sally Flynt and Susannah Martin.  Exrs:  Isaac Davis, William Martin, Thimas Burris, William Sims. “

So yes, he had a daughter Susannah, but she was unmarried in 1777.   His wife apparently died before 1777 since she is not mentioned.  Sally may have been a step-daughter since William Flint’s wife is listed as Sally Durrett by the DAR.

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Thank you, that is very interesting. Can you please provide me the source of your statement that George's daughter Susannah was unmarried in 1777? I have information on the George Martin, son of Susannah Chiles and Joseph Martin, Sr. that shows birth year for George of 1729, but year of death as  1777. Married 1757 to Mary (Molly) Durrett, second wife listed as Sarah Dorsett. I appreciate your patience responding to this. Thank you again.

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She was listed as Susannah Martin when George’s will was probated, so she must not have been married,  Sister Sarah is listed with her married name.   The DAR lists Sarah Durrett as the wife of William Flint, which gibes with the will abstract. The actual will probably says more if you can locate it.

Edit - found the will on FamilySearch, film 007643846, frame 185.  No wife named, so she was apparently dead before 13 July 1774 when the will was written.  To “my daughter Sally Flynt, daughter of George Martin”  one enslaved woman and ten pounds.  Daughter Susannah Martin got all of his land, and all the rest of his “worldly estate.”

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Thank you, Kathie.  Trying to find sources for the marriage to Mary/Molly Durrett and if she is a first or second wife.  I see references to a George Martin married to an Elizabeth Calico who died in 1760. A lot of unsourced confusion out there!

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I am adding a follow up to this string from a year ago.  I hired a professional genealogist to research this for a family history I am compiling. The Susannah Martin / Martaine is not the Susannah Martin who is the daughter of George Martin, the descendent of Walter Chiles of Jamestown.  We have records establishing that Susannah Martin married Isaac Fallis in 1764.  Her father appears to be a George Martin who was born in 1720 in Connecticut. The Susannah Martin who is the daughter of George Martin, the Chiles family descendent, was born around 1760.  There is a lot of unsourced confusion in family trees out there, which is understandable given that there are two Susannah Martins who each had a father named George Martin; but the two appear to be unrelated and the Susannah Martaine / Martin who married Isaac Fallis is not a descendent of the Chiles family.

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Hello. I am a descendant of a Susannah Martin who got married in St. James Northam Parish, Goochland County,  to a Henry Woody in January of 1761. Am trying to determine if she was Susannah the daughter of Joseph Martin and Susannah Chiles Martin. This couple's daughter Susannah was mentioned in her father's Dec 1760 will; apparently she was unmarried when the will written (but if she's my Susannah, she married the following month). I note that Joseph and Susannah's daughter Olive was married in that same parish several years later to an Ambrose Edwards, and wonder if the two women were sisters. It would be cool to be a descendant of the interesting Chiles family! But I want to get it right. And of course, Martin is a common name, and my Susannah could have been entirely unrelated.

I've seen one reference online to Susannah, the daughter of Joseph Martin and Susannah Chiles Martin, having married a John Hammock. Does anyone have any insight on this? Thanks so much.

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That is a different Susannah.  Joseph Martin's daughter apparently never married. The way his will is worded suggests he didn't expect her to marry.  He left her 200 acres of land which she sold in October, 1778, still listed as Susannah Martin, although she was living in Orange County.  If she had married the land would have belonged to her husband.  See Albemarle County Deed Book 7, p. 299. Digitized at FamilySearch at Deeds, 1748-1917 ; general indexes 1748-1917 (familysearch.org)

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I see that Susannah Martin Woody is attached to Joseph and Susannah Chiles Martin.  She is not their daughter and should be detached.

Answer 4

I have an ancestry account and can look for documents. My maiden name is Fallis. Please email me and I will try to help. G wiz Liz at g mail dot com. Smile!