"Welcome to the Weekend Chat!" All Members Invited!! February 8th - 10th, 2019 [closed]

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WikiTree profile: Pip Sheppard
closed with the note: End of the Weekend Chat for February 8 - 10, 2019
in The Tree House by Pip Sheppard G2G Astronaut (2.8m points)
closed by David Selman

Good Morning, my fellow WikChatterers!

My daughter and new son-in-law are in Australia for their honeymoon and have sent some wonderful photos. They aren’t commenting much since they are determined to stay off of their phones, but we do get a photo or two each day. They are having such a wonderful time, and we are so glad for all their unique experiences (scuba diving with reef sharks on the Great Barrier Reef, feeding kangaroos, Mothra-sized fruit bats in Sidney that can carry people off…).

On the genealogy front 1: I have been working on Gulval, Cornwall parish records for families living in the late 1500s and early 1600s. Nearly every family that I’ve added to WikiTree had one child to die in infancy and the named the next child of the same gender with the same name. There was even one family that had this occur twice. It is very hard to make the connections to later families due to the use of the same names over and over again among cousins born about the same time. It’s like detective work adding these families, and I’m loving it!

On the genealogy front 2: I have been working on one of my sons-in-law’s lines in Puerto Rico and with the help from some great WikiTreers have found amazing information (thanks, Steven for the 1910 census; thanks, Frank for links to sources). One piece I found helped to settle the uncertainty of an ancestor: Spain or Italy? It was Spain, but very near the French border in the Pyrenees. Also interesting was that the spelling of the name was throwing me. The family has, in only the last two generations spelled it Calcorzi, but it was Carcolse for all the generations before!

On the homefront: Nothing, just WikiTreeing, even with the warm weather!

A gentle reminder for all Chat participants: If you want the person to whom you are responding to see your comment, be sure to click on the reply button after their post or comment, the one with their name on it!  Otherwise, the automatic email will be sent to another person who may have no idea what you are talking about. I get loads of these emails when actually the response was for someone else. (This happens frequently on G2G, also.)

I hope all of you are well, in all sorts of ways… you and the ones you love. So many WiiTreers are struggling with personal or family issues, health and otherwise, and it is the special character of our community to look out for each other. We do have a great community, don’t we?

Blessings on alayall (Southern for all of you all)!

OK, I LOLed at the Mothra bats.  Many years ago I managed to briefly convince my SF-loving dad that we were planning to name our daughter Mothra.  (We went with something much less... unique.)

I love your weekend "summaries" and I am delighted for your new son- in- law and your daughter that they are enjoying their honeymoon!!! Congratulations and safe travel wishes and blessings for them!!

Thanks so much for sharing and especially for helping in hosting our weekend chats! You do an awesome job Pip!!!! wink

Thanks for hosting the chat, Pip.
@Dorothy: As do you, Dorothy! It wouldn’t be a Chat without your “Today Is....” features. Wonderful additions!
@Lisa: Hahaha! A kid named Mothra. Talk about unique! I’m still laughing.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone. Ditto to what everyone said here. And also thanks Pip for hosting the WikiTree Weekend Chat.
Its the detective work that has me hooked, Pip!  Its quite satisfying when I can untangle a web, or fit a new piece of a puzzle into place.  Even when the weather is warm.

Thank you for hosting, Pip! If I do not get time to do anything else I always have to read your Weekend Chat summaries and Dorothy's Today Is post. To quote Dorothy you do an amazing and awesome job at hosting the chat. 

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Thanks, David. I truly appreciate that.

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It is cold again here in Northeast Ohio, we went from a high of 60 yesterday to the low 29's today and still dropping. I have done some on the genealogy front but mostly to profiles for Notables. There have been several notable deaths in recent days and I have added family members as well as connected at least one. Just this morning I added the father and mother of the longest serving congressman who died recently. No connection yet but I can only work in spurts at least until I get my eyes checked. I did start to make mp3 files from some of my vinyl collection but I have not gotten the process to work exactly the way I want it to, I will figure it out soon, I also picked up a tablet computer, not the one I wanted but the one I could afford. I doubt that I will do much on WikiTree from that but it will make it easier to record my findings while away from my other computers.
by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)
Dale,

My husband bought a cheap disposable phone and added the music to that. He then plugs the phone into his car and listens. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Jerry, I don't know your frustration (because I don't have anything on FS), but I DO worry about someone coming along here and doing something with a carefully crafted profile I've worked on for hours/days.
Betty, I am thinking a Solid State Drive but I still have to break the music into tracks unless I want to just listen to it end to end, plus I have to save up to buy the drive.
Dale, I'm so techo-ignorant, I have fears of even trying! However, I really do need to get onto it. We must have about 50 albums I need to convert.
Pip, My LP count is more than triple yours, then I can move on to the various tape formats and CD's.
Jerry,

Sorry about the troubles you've had. The FamilySearch family tree is frustrating, which was one of my reasons for moving to the collaborative environment of WikiTree.
Thanks for the words everybody. I have battled in FS before but not with other members. This is the pits. Let's see what this other person says about my work first. I even know from whom he got some of his information. (Is it whom? Or is that too snooty?)
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Stay warm Dale! I have a tablet that I use the way you've described, and I love it.  Last time I was in the archives, I took notes, used the camera to scan, used the wifi to bookmark sources of information and uploaded e-documents to the cloud.

I also loaded some e-books and offline maps, so when I'm on the road i didn't need to lug so much stuff. I felt very modern!.
Jerry, I understand your FS frustration. Until they find a solution to that problem, I am just maintaining what I already have on there - not adding anything new.

Usually, there is a "history" and "restore" feature on changes. Are those not available on the changes that were made? Just curious, what Thomas family as I also have quite a large one. Mine originally from Germany to Virginia in 1717. Descendants then spread to Kentucky, Georgia and points westward. I hope this gets resolved for you.
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Happy weekend to All!

The weather has been glorious this week with highs in the mid 70's....if only it would last. Some of the earlier flowering trees have popped out.

I had a busy week adding sources to profiles, as well as, fielding landscape inquiries from people with spring fever.

Have a great weekend.

Here is a pic of my buddy Dipsie watching the Super Bowl with me:

by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.7m points)
Ah, the cat's life!
I have a black cat also. Other than eating, he does nothing else besides waiting for my wife to go to bed at night  to see how far he can crawl under her to keep warm. I imagine he would be a good mouser if he ever was awake long enough hahaha.

Here's my other two buddies, Newb & Smooch:

You named a cat Newb?!

Oh, my god.....

LOL! I don't know if that's brilliant of amazing or influenced by online gaming.
Great kittykats.

Our narcissus and daffodils are sending up sprouts and the maple tree is dropping lots of buds. They are in for a shock when it turns cold tomorros.
I'm too old for online gaming.( I was married before Pong came out.) Newb's full name is Newbie.
That's great, Doug, =)

Good kitties. They win three internets.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone. Ditto to everyone on this chat and Doug that reminds me of my black cat that we had in Athens, Tennessee and she died in 1984 and she died when she turned 20 years old. I was the only with her when she died. But she had a an accident that her tail was cut off so she didn't have a tail when she died. She was quiet all the time up till she died.
We were getting lots of buds, then it got cold and now its snowing.  At least the snow means its getting a little warmer.  I'm a little worried about the tender plants, but they're usually tougher than I imagine.  

Happy sourcing until you can get in the mud!
I too have a black cat. His name is Rex. I attribute most of my errors to him sleeping on my keyboard.
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Hi Pip, hope all is well with you and the family, and thank-you for all you do. Thanks also for the note this week on the Meeting Members you sent me.  Glad to hear you daughter is enjoying the world down under.

Weather has been unusually nice here in Central Pennsylvania, but the weather man says it will return to more seasonal winter next week.

I do not have any children, but my oldest niece has developed a desire to explore her genealogy. That was a good surprise for me this week. I emailed her my word document worksheets I keep, and she is having fun. I plan to introduce her to Wikitree in the near future.

Hope everyone has a good weekend, and travel safe.
by Rodney Long G2G6 Pilot (894k points)

Rodney, I was disappointed that we are the few people on WikiTree that have not yet established a direct connection through the Relationship to Me function. ...sigh... 

Gonna be colder here, too, and not looking forward to it! frown

That is good news Rodney. I hope she becomes successful in her hunt for her family genealogy. All is well here except for Family Search. I don't like the cold anymore either, but at least it is mostly rain. You don't have to shovel rain. Have a great weekend.
Hooray for your niece! Most of my family is content to let me do all the work.Oh, sure, they like what I find out--or, at least, they politely listen--but they are not at all interested in getting involved in the process it takes to document our family.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Enjoy the nice weather while it lasts!  Its great that your neice is interested, Rodney. I have a nephew, the last person I ever expected to be interested, but he's reminding me of myself at my Grandma's knee - whats a kerosene lamp?  How often did the stagecoach come by? She did what?!
+14 votes
Early Weekend Chat is early. Eh, whatever.

What's up, Wikipeeps? How are we all doing? I'm doing good. On the genealogy front I friended a third cousin once removed on Facebook. Because that is a thing you do once you annoy them on Ancestry enough. =) You just move the annoyances to social media. Then you can REALLY annoy people with pictures of your pets and/or children. The true purpose of genealogy has been revealed!

I digress. My mom saw her pic and said she looked a lot like one of my first cousins. It's actually kind of scary. I shared the pic with her dad, my uncle. No comment from him yet.

In other news, I've been watching Finding Your Roots and it's been a good season. I like the Marisa Tomei ep for obvious reasons. I built up her tree on Geni. I remember she had an ep of Who Do You Think You are. Interesting and albeit sad stories on both her parents' side.

Here's a hint. D'Ignoti is the last name of one of her ancestors in Italy. "D'Ignoti" means "Of the unknown ones". Basically there was an ancestor of hers who was a foundling. And that last name got passed down to her grandmother, I believe. You'd have to check out the episode!

Not much else to report. It's cold and rainy here in NH. Oh and some local team won the superb owl and had a parade in Boston. =)
by Chris Ferraiolo G2G6 Pilot (786k points)

Chris being busy, as usual. Don’t you ever slow down?!? BTW: it was the Rams-Saints missed call that won you a Super Bowl! laugh

No rest for the wicked!

And yes....I've been told that by many genealogy peeps on the Twitter.
It was a great episode. Thought of you when we were watching it
Aww! Thanks, Kay! =)

It made me wonder about a few things because some of my Italian side does come from Calabria like part of hers did. Granted a lot of the ignoti was in Sicily. It just makes me wonder a few things. Like if any of my ancestors played a role in Italy's unification.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
It is scary when you come across a picture like that.  Happened to me the other day, too.  A woman contacted me about a DNA connection, and when I saw one of the pictures she had uploaded, it looked just like my Grandma!  I knew right away which branch of the family to research.  And yes, they were first cousins.  Stay warm and dry, Chris!
Thanks, Laurie!  =D It's really amazing. I kind of want to show my first cousin. Not sure how to go about it. Just be like "Hey! We have this third cousin once removed on the Ross side and...ummm she looks like you. How are things in Florida?"

Knowing her she'd be like "Wait. WHAT?"
Haha, I agree you're on thin ice there!

I'm not responsible if you decide to take my advice, but I might show her the pic of someone who "almost looks related" generally within the family, and let her draw her own conclusions. Since you're a man, I might even suggest you might never want to admit you saw a resemblance, even if she does, even if the third cousin looks like a Barbie-doll.
Yeah. I'll let her figure this one out herself. Haha.

Watch I'll still get a phone call...

"CHRIS!"

"H-Hi, cuz!"
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Happy weekend!  Been pretty busy with work stuff, but managed to squeeze in a bit of time chasing Robertsons/Hebertons/Evanses (one of my mom's maternal lines).  Yesterday it occurred to me that one of my big mystery DNA clusters might actually be part of that line or one of my other brick walls so I spent a bunch of time looking at trees of matches on FTDNA and Ancestry.  Still no connection but some pretty strong hints (geography, recurring surname) that it's probably one of my mom's paternal relatives, so I think I can ignore it for now and go back to learning about Philadelphia high society in the 1800s.

Yesterday the washer broke (broke = attempted to launch; I think one of the springs holding the tub in place came loose) so today I have to ditch work a bit early to get home for the repairman.  Fingers crossed that it's an easy fix.  If not, maybe it's time for a new washer and dryer.  Maybe I can redo the floor in there so long as I'm at it.
by Lisa Hazard G2G6 Pilot (266k points)
Hi Lisa! You need one of those guys nearby who fixes everything: trucks washers, etc.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
I fnid it hrad to tpye wtih my fnigres corssed, but you do it very well!  Hope the washer repair is fast and cheap.
Nope.  Washer is dead.  The whole bottom has pretty much rusted out, and the loop that the spring hooks onto broke and there's no way to fix it.  So we're washer shopping.  The dryer is still chugging along, though.

Of course. It had to be the worse. Been there, done that! frown

My family too.
OK, spent a chunk of the day researching washers and settled on one.  Ordered online with delivery scheduled for Saturday.  We can make it a week without doing laundry, right?
As long as they don't start walking around on their own you should be fine, Lis. =)
+16 votes

Today is.....

           

NATIONAL KITE FLYING DAY

Observed annually on February 8th, National Kite Flying Day is marked by kite flying enthusiasts across the country.

Kites date back to China in 470 B.C. China is full of lore and histories of the origins of the kite. Many are related to the way wind affects the leaves on the trees, the shelters they lived in, blowing away the sails on their ships and the hats they wore upon their heads. The stories also tell of kites being invented to spy on their enemies or to send messages.

There is also evidence that the people of South Sea Islands were using kites for fishing around the same time as the people of China.

Early kites were constructed from bamboo or sturdy reeds for framing. Leaves, silk or paper made ideal sails. Vines or braided fibers completed the line or tether. While kites were initially used as tools, they were also ceremonial as well. Used to send messages into the heavens or to lift offerings up to the gods, kites had a symbolic place in the culture.

Today kites are popular both as hobbies and for outdoor fun. They range from a simple diamond kite to more complicated box kites and giant sled kites. Stunt kites, also known as sport kites, are designed so the operator can maneuver the kite into dips, twists, and dives with dramatic effect.

Tips for Getting Your Kite Up in the Air and Keeping it There

  • Be sure the kite is assembled correctly.

  • Check the wind.  Some kites require more wind and others less. Picking the right day for your kite is key.  A light breeze (5-20 mph) is generally optimal.

  • Be safe.  Don’t fly the kite near power lines, trees or other sky high obstacles. Wide open spaces are best.

  • Be safer.  Don’t fly in the rain.

  • When launching the kite, be sure to have your back to the wind.  If the wind is light, have a friend hold the kite down wind and hold your line taught, reeling in slowly until the kite launches.

  • Don’t let the line out too quickly.  Let the line out at the same pace the kite is gaining altitude.

HOW TO OBSERVE

Go outside and fly a kite if weather permits. If not, make one inside.  In some parts of the country, the time of year may make it difficult to fly a kite.  There are kite festivals at various periods of the year. Use today to scout out those festivals and make a plan to join in.  If you have done so years past, and have a photo, please share with us..... that would be great!!!

https://nationaldaycalendar.com/national-kite-flying-day-february-8/

by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (2.8m points)
Yea! Dorothy’s here! Yes, today would be perfect (here) for kite flying. Mid 50s and a nice breeze.
I think I will pass on this one today. It is windy enough but it started to snow so..........

In Clear Lake. Iowa, they look forward to snow as their recent cold weather has been a blessing for their "Color the Wind Festival".  They announced that the Clear Lake is now solidly frozen and their kite festival will definitely be held as planned!! 

                         

It will be held next Saturday, February 16, 2019... See http://www.colorthewind.org/index.html for more details!! 

Kite flying in February in Iowa? Wouldn't you freeze your kite's tail off.? Sorry I had to say it
@Jerry: Hahahahaha!!!!!!

"Oh go fly a kite".... ever hear someone say that, I have; anyway I looked it up to see where it orginated from,  and found out that .....

"Let's Go Fly a Kite" is a song from Walt Disney's film Mary Poppins, composed by Richard M. Sherman and Robert B. Sherman. This song is heard at the end of the film when George Banks (played by David Tomlinson), realizes that his family is more important than his job. He mends his son's kite and takes his family on a kite-flying outing. The song is sung by Tomlinson, Dick Van Dyke and eventually the entire chorus.

Here is the youtube video from the film: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNSler7jBWs

Certainly windy enough to fly a kite today in northern Illinois, but the current temperature is 11'F (-12'C), so I think I'll pass.
RN, I hate to say this, but I’m glad I don’t live where it’s that cold. It rarely get below 10 here, usually in the 20s for lows.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
I might not have the weather for kites, but making one is a great idea for a snow day. Making kites, tho, inevitably leads to other things - do you remember the flibber?

https://boyfamilyrules.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/how-to-make-a-flibber/

Maybe I'll declare an annual Flibber Friday each February.
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Happy WikiWeekend.

We are enjoying the warm weather -- while it lasts. We're also trying to escalate the issue on the truck we ordered on Sep 20, trying to find out where it might be and why no one will return phone calls.

Genealogy wise, I've continued adding profiles for descendants of distant relatives.

Assuming we have a truck by July, I might visit the library at Cornell University which has a microfilm of the Cazenovia Presbyterian Church records around 1800.

I've been toying with the idea of trying to join the Mayflower Society, and wondering if it makes sense to first do DAR -- since the guy in the Mayflower books is already in DAR as a patriot ancestor.
by Kay Knight G2G6 Pilot (612k points)
Hi Kay! DAR first, then on back to Mayflower. Seems the easiest route.

I, too, an waiting on a truck. The title is stuck in Louisiana somewhere.
Go with the DAR first. I'll go get you one of those muskets off of Amazon. =)
Pip - We found out more about our truck. Apparently GM has a quota for diesel trucks, and our dealer's order got 'lost'. Well finally the truck has been built, but now it is sitting in Flint, Michigan waiting for an empty rail car for transport. So much for the plans to tow the camper to Florida in February. Hope that you get your truck soon.
Chris,

Its sort of a question of which DAR to go after, having lots of New England folks. There are 3 alone on the line to the Mayflower guy, and at least 3 others I'm aware of. Of course to the Mayflower guy its all through daughters - Mary, her daughter Mary, and her daughter Mary.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Too bad about the truck, Kay, its so frustrating when that sort of thing happens.

I read that your Mayflower ancestor is in DAR, but I wonder if anyone has already taken the DAR information to the Mayflower Society? If someone has already started paving the road, you might not need to take the long way around. Saves the Mayflower Society time too, and they have a way to check: https://www.themayflowersociety.org/join/mayflower-lineage-match
Laurie,

I misspoke my ancestor isn’t in DAR, his granddaughter is. I have done the lineage match, and no one has gone beyond the silver books. Jeremiah could be tough, since his first wife is unknown, even in Mayflower Births and Deaths. He can be killed off easily enough because his Revolutionary War pension stopped and his son-in-law administered his estate (he had no will). From there the connection to daughter Mary could be difficult. From there probate records exist until I get to my grandparents, who were born too early to have birth certificates.

So it could be lots of work, but could benefit a whole slew of descendants.
You be paving new roads, like a true pioneer!
@ Kay: Sounds like my English crew and their fascination with the name "Hannah".

I have New England folks, too. I could easily go for the SAR. Just have to go to Boston and say I'm a descendant of a few guys already on the DAR site. Or I could mention the guys not ON the site. There are a few.

No Mayflowers for me though. Ah well.

I would probably go with the Mass SAR out of Boston. It's...closer than Concord, NH.
+14 votes
Hi y'all!

My mother's birthday was this past week. She's been gone for a long time--she died young with cancer. Anyway, I posted a photo of her when she was a teenager on Facebook with a birthday message. A discussion ensued among some of the family members about the gap between her two front teeth and I discovered it is a trait that several family members shared. I was unaware of just how prevalent a trait it was before this week. An uncle had it, but he knocked his front teeth out as a teenager and wore a partial without the gap the rest of his life. Granddaddy, who also had the gap, started wearing dentures early, so I wasn't aware of his gap either. My aunt said a couple of his aunts had the gap. A recently discovered cousin--daughter of one of my uncles about whom he was unaware--has the most lovely gap, as well. I did not inherit it and neither did one brother. My sister and a younger brother wore braces as a kid, or perhaps they would have had gaps, too.

I was in a fast food restaurant the other day with my husband. Two older ladies and a younger one at a table nearby were having a conversation I couldn't help but overhear because they were talking rather loudly. (Names and places I use here are fictitious.) One of the older ladies, referring to the other older lady, said to the younger lady, "Ann and I are cousins. Her maiden name was Carpenter and they were from Tennessee, and I have people from Tennessee named Carpenter, too, so that makes us cousins. But I don't want to do my genealogy because I don't want to find out it's not true." The other older woman said, "I don't want to do my genealogy, anyway, because it might stir up the ghosts." She then recounted the story of someone who had researched their genealogy and found relatives they wish they hadn't. I suppose there may be lots of people who feel that way, but I think that's just sad.

I did a lot of work on the Data Doctors project this week. It was fun. And I learned more about how to properly input data into WikiTree. I know some folks don't care, but consistency in how we input data is important to me. After I learned better how I should be inputting the data, I went back last night and applied the WikiTree rules to all the profiles on my own Watchlist. They weren't wrong, necessarily, but they just weren't in a form that conformed to what WikiTree style guide says is best. I'm a perfectionist so I'm always going back and making revisions each time I learn something new.

One of my 3rd-great-grandmother's has a death anniversary today. I'm not the profile manager for her, but I did add several sources to her profile this morning.

Have a great weekend, everyone!
by Nelda Spires G2G6 Pilot (578k points)
Welcome to the chat! =D
Hello, Nelda. Good to see you in the Chat.

I'm (generally) a perfectionist also, but I still need to go through my Watchlist l like you and get my older profiles cleaned up and sourced.

Stirring up ghosts: One of the perks of doing genealogy. I love it!
Just make sure you have an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on your back. =D
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Happy birthday to your mother!  

I've also used the Data Doctors tools to learn how to use WikiTree.  They're doing great work!  

Chris, you can now take that beer off your back and drink it.  http://www.hopbutcher.com/unlicensed-nuclear-accelerator/  The ghosts won't know what hit them!
Lol! That is brilliant!
+14 votes
Greetings from Everett, Washington!

Was I ever WRONG when I said I thought western Washington wouldn't get any snow this winter.  God has a sense of humor.  It snowed last Monday and today in Seattle & environs we are waiting for "Snowmageddon."  The "Snowcalypse!" Yikes!  Anywhere from 2 to 12 inches.  Say what?

Weather models can't predict how much.  I can only report that here at South Everett/Paine Field we are getting some little flakes. After this storm, which will bring strong winds and possible power outages, we are supposed to get another one Tuesday. I stocked up yesterday and avoided the long grocery lines. I hate driving in the stuff but yesterday managed to get our daughter to work at the local mall.  This weekend I expect I will face a bigger challenge in driving and meal planning, etc.  I am from southern California and this brings me back to my days in Syracuse but I didn't have a car there or the same responsibilities.

My son has a bad head cold and won't put anything in his nose like Zycam.  You can argue all you want with him but some things he just refuses to put in his body.  Like cooked fruits and vegetables.  I got him to take Dayquil.  He wants to sleep but can't get to sleep.  I wonder if he can sleep propped up so his nose can drain.

Husband and I managed to get the dishwasher to drain again.  We took it apart and I cleaned out the filters.  It did not involve disconnecting the line.

We have our candles ready in case the power goes out.  I have an article to write for the Mukilteo Historical Society newsletter.  I will get that done before the wind starts.

I will be adding some Washington state profiles in order to connect coast-to-coast.

Yours faithfully,

Margaret Summitt
by Margaret Summitt G2G6 Pilot (330k points)
Hi Margaret! When the Weather Service predicted our December snowfall, they said about one inch. We got twelve! Forty hours without power. Glad we had a generator and candles, too.
Once we went 100 hours without power (2012). I just had a connection problem with Wikitree but relogged in on Google Chrome and so far no problem.

Ugh! 100 hours?!? No thanks! laugh

Enjoy your snow! Winds and power outages don't sound fun.

Remember that when you were in Syracuse 2 to 12 inches was, well, no big deal...
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Stay warm and safe Margaret! I'm just to the north of you in BC, and we're getting snow too. I'd give your boy chicken soup, or hot lemon with lots of honey. Specially if its cold and the air gets dry.  Sending hugs!
Up at 8 am.  I must tell you how BEAUTIFUL it is!  I have never seen this much snow here.  Everyone got home safely last night.

Daughter thinks she might be getting the cold her brother has.  No one can cover for her at work.  We'll see.  I got my son to put some Zycam in his nose.  Sorry, Laurie--soup is one food he will not touch.  He just doesn't like the sensation of hot liquids, crunchy cereal, and a myriad of other sensory issues that come with his autism.

Husband went to work this morning.  Boeing tours celebrating the 50th anniversary today of the 747, so husband as a tour guide will be celebrating with whoever shows up at the Boeing factory/Future of Flight.  My father in law was designer of flight controls for the 747.  Husband has an AWD van and he will give me a report on road conditions.

It's expected to stay below freezing for the next week.  This snow is not going away and more may come Monday or Tuesday.  We will need the AWD van to make grocery runs.  Driving (and avoiding other drivers) has become an adventure.  I will keep you all posted.
Boeing sent husband home for the next two days.  He can drive our daughter to work.  One problem solved.  Thank you, Lord.
Because of the snow?
Yes, Boeing sent him and the other guides home because of the snow.  It's a shame they don't get to celebrate the anniversary at Boeing.  Husband's godfather was the pilot of that first 747 test flight.
Super cool!  My father was a test pilot too, but he didn't fly Boeing. Hopefully they'll be able to reschedule the festivities for a warmer time.

Autism is so complicated, I wish your little guy didn't have the burden. Sounds like you guys are having one of those perfect storms with  headcolds and storms and cancellations, so I'm sending you a hug to share around.
I have a cousin out in Washington State that is about 65 and he is retired now but he worked for Boeing and when me and my mother went out to Portland, Oregon in 1984 to visit with my Aunt out there and her family he took me and my mother for a tour of Boeing where he had worked at that time. His name is Jerry Leonard maybe your  husband knows him. He had lost his wife Candy about 2009 of cancer and he was still working at Boeing at that time and his mother died about 3 or 4 years ago also. He and first wife lived in Camas, Washington and he still lives there with his second wife.
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Hi, Pip, thanks for hosting!

Greetings, WikiCousins!

It's still tax season, and it's still cold.  Took a walk last night on squeaky snow.

Ancient dog suffered some digestive unpleasantness last week, but seems to have overcome it through the magic of canned pumpkin.

Cheers,

Herb
by Living Tardy G2G6 Pilot (772k points)
Is that how you call it in English: "squeacky snow"?I was wondering about it. In dutch we have a special word for the sound you make when you walk on snow. You use the verb "knerpen" (you pronounce the k) It's almost the same sound the snow makes. The word is only used for this.
I like your word, Eef!  I'll add it to my lexicon, alongside graupel.

We don't really have a dedicated word for it, but any winter-wise American knows the sound snow makes when it's really cold.  Snow won't squeak under your feet unless the temperature is below -10C (14 F).
@Eef: That’s perfect! I’ll start using that.
@Herbert: Tax season and we still don’t have all our paperwork together. Gotta get on it.
And when it gets even colder it sounds like a tin can when you kick a snow chunk.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Verb: to knerp

knerping footsteps in the snow
Love the word knerpen! That's what we have. That's what we've had for a couple days.
@herbert: Yep, exactly that sound
The Maritimer in me suggests "scrunchy" is the word we're discussing. As opposed to "schloopy", which is still ahead.
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Weather: It's been a wild ride lately in Chicagoland.  8 and 9 days ago it dipped to -23'F (-30'C), then in 2.5 days it climbed 65 degrees to +42'F.  It was warm for a few days, even rained, and we lost a lot of our snow.  But today is a low of 0'F (-18'C) and a high of 12 (-11'C).  But my relatives back in northern Minnesota (where I grew up) have seen some -40' (F or C) weather, even -46'F, so I can't complain.

Genealogy: I recently started the ONS for Ungerecht, my mom's maiden name.  It's a rare name, which helps. In the beginning stages of entering profiles and sources for that. I also found a FAG entry that indicates my gr-gr-grandmother was a half-sister to her siblings, which could explain family tension there, but I have no sources.  The person who entered the Find-A-Grave memorial didn't provide a means of contact, so I may have to try to find records in Edingen, Germany (near Heidelberg) and hope it's documented.
by Rob Neff G2G6 Pilot (139k points)
RN, welcomemto the Chat!

Now, what’s the difference between -23 and -46?!? Yikes!
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Heya R.  If you join FindAGrave, there's a members-only way to contact profile managers, like WkiTrees PM.  I have found it very useful for correcting FAG errors.  If you don't wanna join, PM me the FAG # and I can see if I can strike up a conversation for you.  

Stay warm and outta tha wind!
I was going thru some old e-mails, found one from 1.5 years ago who gave me an ahnentafel of my gr-gr-grandmothers' side, going back up to 8 generations (1570 is the oldest date), pretty much all unknown to me!  Unfortunately, he didn't give me any exact sources.  So I decided to write back to him, but the e-mail bounced.  And I only know him as "Peter" who apparently lives somewhere in Germany.  Gah!  A lot of names I can't put on Wikitree, and I'm sure he visited individual churches and read the original old German script, something I can't easily duplicate.
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Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone. I am back from a long furlough because of real life really hit hard at the Barnetts house in Loudon, Tennessee where we used to live at as November 6th when I moved up in Jonesborough in my sister old house on her 13 acre land. Then on November 9th moved my dad into memory care at Brookdale in Greeneville and my mom at her new house behind Tusculum College and literally behind in Greeneville. This will be long and in several parts so bear with me. It has been real hard for me and my mom plus my sister and brother - in - law and sister - in - law and brother also.

It started early like 3:00 a.m. on Monday morning of the week that the Source - A - Thon started so it caused a lot of problem for us, when mom finally got into bed and dad decided to get up and tell her that they should move to the upper part of town. The reason behind that was that there was a man working down at the dialysis clinic in Sweetwater, Tennessee that was building a house in Lenoir City, Tennessee. Dad thought that they should do that right then. So mom said she will not do that but he could if he wanted to thinking that he wouldn't do that and then went to sleep. Even when I told her and my siblings about him going out in August when my mom fell and hurt her left hip real bad that the ambulance and the EMS person who  lived in the neighborhood that we called him to help my mom get up that she need to go to the hospital because they thought she had broken her hip but she didn't and did not need to spend the night. But when we thought she might my dad went outside think he was suppose to go and I told him he didn't need to go and he was staying at home and he said that he did. So I stayed outside the two time he went out think he might wander off. So I had that in my mind. But back to the story so he decide he would and he opened the door to their side of the house and then opened the front door and walked out and sat on the front porch to rest and then he went part way down the front driveway and rested and then went down rest way of the drive way and rested our house was surrounded by four streets. Then he went to the second street and sat down to rest where I found him. I had been sleeping in my recliner in my living room till that night and mom woke up and found that their door to their part of the house was open so she yelled at me till I woke up in my bedroom. Then when I got into the foyer I saw their door open to their area and then the front door was open and mom told me to check their bedroom to see if he was in the hospital bed we got him last year. He wasn't so I told mom because a lot of people like that aren't found to be prepared to call 911 because of that. So I went out and finally find him and pulled him by his walker to bring him in fast because from then on he developed sundown that dementia patient gets where when the sun goes down you need to close the blinds or drapes and turn on the lights where they are and will be. Also they will not go to bed they will say later or no. So from then on till we moved my brother - in - law got and installed for us an alarm that will let us know when he goes out without us. Then my sister told me that the last two weeks of October she will be out of town that the first week of November she taken off to help me move up here where I am. So after the Source - A - Thon I had to start to pack up my stuff and on the weekends my brother and sister - in - law and brother - in - law and sister and my nephew the dog Ollie came down and load their SVRs that are bigger than a car and took up to my house. Then during that time my mom decide to get my dad up here also by November 9th before Thanksgiving.

Somebody in one of the weekend chats ask how will my mom take care of my dad till they moved up here. Well we almost didn't get him in the memory care because of the people that was over it. But they almost had to move my dad for a month to Mom house but God worked out that November 9th we were able to move him from Loudon home to memory care at Brookdale in Greeneville, Tennessee without taking to her home. So that was a relief that that worked out. But she wasn't able to move a lot of their stuff to her house. When I moved up here on November 9th we had a moving company to move our big stuff in one load with 3 stops and my stop was last and my dad's was first. So we Mom had to stay up here and with my dad and the let stay at night those two weeks in case of something happen to dad and they needed her to help with him.

So we are moving little at a time with my mom car when the weather is good and we are not sick with bronchotsis. Plus my siblings has helped by going with her some times with their SUVs. The first three weeks their I had plumbing problems that was caused by my sister's knock out roses that was planted very close to the sewer pipes that crushed and blocked thing going into the sewer container outside and my brother - in - law before they discovered by digging around the container he had the two sewer pumped out. So that didn't help me and then it got real cold and snowed at that time and after everybody that was sick and they came to my sister new house and had Thanksgiving a I ended up with bronchitis. Plus it taking time to get my house unpacked plus helping my mom move things. She will not go pack things up and move them up  when it is very cold, raining or if she is sick. Lately his port in one of his arm has stopped working so they had to put a port in his chest to have dialysis till he can have a port put in the other arm which they are going to do next Tuesday morning in Knoxville and mom said they are going to put him to sleep and he might not wake up from that. He been going downhill and unresponsive for two weeks up till Wednesday night when my mom was feeding him and he opened his eyes and started talking to her. For the first time in a long since I got sick with bronchitsis I hadn't seen them and so when I was out getting groceries in Greeneville I decide to stop to see them and let him know that I hadn't forgotten him and I loved him and me and my sister did the same today since they are going to take him in rental van for wheelchairs from Knoxville to take him Tuesday to have the procedure and that why we are afraid he will not wake up from the procedure. Plus he has congestion in his chest. But for about 3 weeks he has been feeling real bad. But he was responsive yesterday by shaking his head or moving his hands for us and he stays in the bed most of the time. He doesn't want to walk so if they want to move him they use his wheelchair for him. So you see there a lot going on in our lives in the Barnett household. Mom wanted to move slowly up here which it seems that way. But we are trying to get everything out of the house and get it cleaned so we can sale it as it is without fixing up because at the first we were going to fix it  up and then sell it and are going the route of a realtor to sell it for us. These is a very stressfull time for us and my brother last two days had to move his office in the town they are living some other place in the same town at this time. But I told mom that we had to get my dad in the memory care in Brookdale in Greeneville, Tennessee when we did because of looking after him like we did for two years it was literally killing her and me also. Seeing him change like he has for the last two years and two months since he was discovered with vascular dementia, and going on too dialysis 3 times a week and taking him also is very hard and stressfull on us.

I think I am thru updating you for now and I warned you that this will be very long and lengthy. I am sorry I just thought I let you know what is going on with me since the last weekend chat before the source - a - thon. If I forgotten anything I will put in when I think of it.

We heard today from my mom that it been along time that my dad had got up on his own and get in the wheelchair and get out of the wheel chair and get into a chair without being physical picked up and put in. Plus feed himself. But I noticed yesterday when me and my sister visited him and my mom that his hands when he lifted them up to be cleaned with wipes that they didn't shake. Mom said that he stood up from his bed and got in the wheelchair by himself with a little help and then get out of the wheelchair and get in a chair. Plus he even feed himself without making a mess and without his hand shaking so we are happy because he wouldn't get up and when he tried he will holler in pain so they mostly left him in bed and mom fed him his meals to him in bed. He sleep a lot also. So when my sister, brother - in - law and mother takes him to Knoxville to have a fistula fixed in his right hand he might be doing a lot better than he did we were very worried about him because for a month he was going down hill a lot. He has congestion in his chest but mother also told him that she couldn't hardly hear him wheezing which was also encouraging. He did at least make it to his 86th birthday last year on July 11th. Mom and his 62nd anniversary is coming up on March 15th if he is still alive then. That will be amazing. A lot of couples do not reach that or even longer. I will put this in next week on Friday so a lot of other people will be able to see this and read this and they will be caught up the hectic last part of last year from last weekend chat before the source - a - thon till now in the Barnetts real life.

Since we have moved up and we have my siblings and their better half up here things should be much better for me and my mom. As my sister - in - law said me and my mom did pretty well with what we had to deal with. I told mother that we did pretty well with what we had to deal with in the last 2 years 2017 - 2018 till we moved up here. Also we had to move him up to the memory care in Brookdale as we were moving up here because he was literally not meaning to literally killing her physically and also me but more her. We couldn't stay there any longer because he had changed a lot from the person we knew before we find out that he had vascular dementia and had to start dialysis three times a week. He has changed a lot especially the last month or so even. He knows deep down that what we did is for the best for him and me and mom. He might not like it but he has accepted it I think.

As of today is still doing go he is still responsive. Gets up from bed or a chair and gets in the wheelchair and out of the wheelchair and still feeding himself without his hand shaking and eating and talking a little more now. So he doing better since he moved in there has been about 4 or 5 that has died in the memory care in Brookdale in Greeneville, Tennessee the last one seemed to be in better condition then anyone in the memory care unit there and he died Sunday of a heart attack.

I also forgot to tell that till my brother - in - law got us an alarm to attach to the front door to let us know when dad left the house especially at night time and early in the mornings I would sleep in my recliner till then so I would know when he left at night so I could get up and get him back in before we couldn't find him.

Me and my sister does a lot of stuff together now even carpool. Exercise ever other Friday together and eat at the Jonesborough, Tennessee senior citzen center and go to church and to town together. Plus she invites me over to her house on the weekends and sometimes in the week or she brings me stuff at my house if I am under the weather and when she fells like it to eat. Even on Saturday she and my sister - in - law comes over to my house and my sister- in - law brings supper to us and we eat and do things like watching a DVD on my TV. So things are kind of looking up for us especially for my mom.
by Living Barnett G2G6 Pilot (508k points)
edited by Living Barnett
Welcome to the Chat, Linda. Glad you reposted this so folks would see it.
Take good care of yourself too Linda!  I'm also taking care of my 86-year old father.  Sometimes its hard to find the quality of life to focus on, but we can only do our best.  I'm sending you a hug to share around.
What helps me a lot is that I nephew the dog Ollie I sit for them while they are doing things they need to do especially for my mom and daddy and my brother also. Because my brother had to move his business office to another location in Kingsport, Tennessee this past week. So I help out that way plus it good therapy for me also.
Dogs do help out in that respect especially when someone may be anxious or stressed. Their playfulness and friendliness can calm the nerves and detract your attention for awhile. Some make outstanding service dogs especially for PTSD and other emotional and/or health issues!! Ask any veteran who has one!
+13 votes
As with others, it has been cold here but started naming up. W've reached 23F/-5C today. Yesterday's high was about 6F/-14C and lows were well below that. Woke up to -6F/-21C this morning. The sun did come out so it isn't too bad. Tomorrow should be in the mid 40s(6-7C). Plan to spend most of the morning at the Denver Botanic Gardens. My wife is in a class and I'll check out the orchid showcase. Need colorful flowers to get through another week of winter.

Its been another busy week. Roughed out a possible logo for a project my wife is working on with the city library and spent time looking at Spring planting needs.

Genealogically/WIkiTree oriented, did some cleanup work on some notable profiles and worked on some Categorization stuff. I'm still pulling together a report for a cousin on her genealogy. I mentioned that last week but it takes time to organize and write for someone who isn't a genealogist and knows nothing about her family. Trying to come up with some details that would be interesting. This is making me fill out some generations of family.

Later...
by Doug McCallum G2G6 Pilot (548k points)
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Hi Doug. Making genealogy interesting is the best part of working for someone else. My son-in-law is already excited about what I’ve found for him. Doubt hat he’ll ever join WikiTree, though. He’ll be satisfied with what I do.
Enjoy your orchids Doug!  I used to go to the Bio-Dome in Montreal around this time of year, and just sit on a bench, inhaling living things.  It works like Vitamin D :)  I hope a little time in the greenhouse will inspire your writing too.
+13 votes
Greetings from Brightlingsea, Essex, England

Busy as usual with all the usual stuff. Have found time to do some research on my Goodyear connections and my connections to the Brasted family. Hope that I  have tied up a few ends and sorted out connections with some members of the Brasted family.

With regards to Brightlingsea and the Lido - although closed for the winter the opening date for the summer has been set for Saturday May 25th. In addition the on-site cafe has been taken over by the Lido and is in the process of being re-modelled  and enlarged with an opening date of April 1st. I expect to find myself volunteering again this summer.

Have a good weekend everyone .......
by Chris Burrow G2G6 Pilot (222k points)
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Howdy, Chris! I working (from here, USA) to the far west of you on Cornwall profiles. Not my family, but random parish records and such. Lots of fun.
+13 votes
Happy Weekend!  The rest of Canada will be pleased to hear that Old Man Winter has caught up with the far West Coast, and evened things out a bit. We have snow on Vancouver Island! Not many snow-shovels, though, so everything sort of grinds to a halt and we wait. Its my third winter here, and it still feels strange.

On the genealogy front, I've moved back to suggestions this week. I 'inherited' about a million suggestions from existing profiles when I joined WikiTree: a distant relative loved local history books while he was active, but didn't like sharing sources or checking facts. On the positive side, I learned quickly about untangling families, formatting sources, and merging duplicate triplicates. My goal is to clear the suggestions from my direct ancestors for 7 generations.  One day I might achieve it.

Meanwhile, its a good way to spend a snow-day!
by Laurie Giffin G2G6 Pilot (106k points)
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone. Your are correct about how to spend a snow day Laurie.

Hello, Laurie! Glad to see you here.

Not just snow days, but any cold day = WikiTree, right?

+11 votes

This week hasn't been as crazy as last week, in fact fairly quiet in comparison.

On wikitree? Watchlist is now down to around 2250. Decided to look into a cousin branch and discovered a duplicate (which hadn't been caught by anyone, surname containing a space in an otherwise hyphenated surname).

As far as discoveries go, discovered that a pair of sisters (not twins) that I've just added works out to be 6th cousins (to me) and traces back to the same common ancestor via 3 different paths

I'm glad to see my page of pending merges is back down to one full page.

Tonight, heading down the road to the beach to watch a fireworks display for Chinese New Year (the beach is literally 2 blocks down the road from me), anyway its half past noon on the Saturday and it feels like lunchtime!

by Richard Shelley G2G6 Pilot (249k points)
Hi Richard! My daughter, in Australia right now, was telling us that Chinese New Year is a big deal there. She couldn’t believe how many Asians were in Sidney.
Chinese New Year is gradually becoming more of a big deal here. A lot of the previous occasions which were being acknowledged here by the councils are now fireworks free.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
+14 votes
Hi all from the European side of the big lake called Atlantic Ocean,

somehow it's been a weird genealogical week... everything started about 10 days ago when I sent Aleš a PM and saw the maiden name of his mother. ?? There was a famous Yugoslav theater director with that surname, and his wife only died a few years ago and was an acting legend in Yugoslavia and Serbia. So I ended my PM with an "out of curiosity" question. Yes he is related to the director, there is also a profile for his wife, but actually she doesn't have a biography. Ok, so I start collecting mainly Serbian articles about her to write a reasonable biography.

Oh well, she actually had an interesting life I didn't know about, (neither did my mum).... First she married a colleague who was 14 years her senior and got a daughter with him, some years later she met the relative of Aleš and married him. Later she said he was the love of her life. But he died quite young. About a month later an acting colleague and friend of her died in a car accident. So the new widow and the new widower met and comforted each other. The new widower was one of the most important politicians of that time Yugoslavia. Yes, Tito was still the Big Man over there, but he was in the Central Committee of the Communist Party. And he had two daughters of 9 and 4 years at home who needed a mother figure. So about three years later they married. She wasn't anymore that much on the stage but was still active. Then Tito died, and the Central Committee decided to let the Presidency of the State move around every year, and every year a politician of a different region should be President. Let's start with Bosnia - about 10 days after Tito's death the very popular actress is more or less suddenly the First Lady. You see it in her filmography, that year she didn't act. When that year was over, she returned into her job, but now more in TV-movies and series. In the end of the 1980s she stopped acting for quite a while, her husband got ill, the stepdaughters were drug addicted and died. In the beginning of the 1990s it was also the time of the hyperinflation, when you got your paycheck in the morning with a reasonable amount of money and in the afternoon you could buy two eggs and that's it. After her husband had died she starred again in a TV-series. But when that stopped she obviously said herself: "I don't need to work anymore, now I choose only what I really, and I mean REALLY want." She only played in one more film. She stayed in her own flat until one year before her death and only then moved into an old-people's home when she was over 90 years old.

So I made biographies for her, her brother who was also an actor, her last husband, his first wife and his daughters. I just realised I still have to do a biography for her first husband. Ok, that can wait until I have slept....

Have a nice weekend!
by Jelena Eckstädt G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Jelena, how cool is this!! It’s a small world after all, right?
it is. I mean we genealogists know that, but sometimes even we stand and shake the head about how small it really is.
+12 votes
I am new here. It's cold here in Utah, though, with all the mountains covered in snow.

I am overjoyed that I found this site.  I've always maintained that the only way we would find the true paternal lineage in my family would be through DNA research, but I've never found a site that fits the genealogy and DNA together in such a complex but complete way.  I had a 23andme test done (for free, actually) by the Michael J Fox Foundation due to the fact that I have a rare parkinson's disorder called DRD. I put in my Ydna and mitochondrial dna numbers, and VOILA, I realized I was related to a whole heap of people!  Now I just have to figure out how to make sense of it all.

Any help would be great!!!

Thank you....
by Brad Platt G2G Crew (560 points)

Hi, Brad, and welcome to the Chat! 

I can’t help you with any DNA question, but I know someone on the G2G Forum would be able to assist you.

We’re glad you’ve joined us!

Thank you for joining WikiTree and welcome to the community, Brad.

Click here for DNA Help Pages.

Click Here for the DNA Project and ask for help from a DNA project member.

Ditto to what everyone said here Brad. Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
+11 votes
Today was the first snow in Longview Washington...
by David Hughey G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.
Hi David! What do you know, I had relatives end up in Longview from the mountains here in North Carolina. Teagues or Butlers, as I recall. Left here in the very late 1800s.
I lived in Longview in 1949-1950 (I was three years old). My mom (now age 97) tells stories about the 7.1 earthquake in April of 1949. And she also tells stories of the cold winter month of February, 1950. She said it snowed every single day in February and the Columbia River froze solid!
@Bart: That's way too cold for me, but I guess it's whatever one can get used to, right?
+9 votes
As I prepare to bake rolls for my granddaughter's 18th birthday party tomorrow I am reflecting on how the weather changes affect us. Due to the thaw, rain, freeze cycle driving is poor at best. Just last Sunday my son had a big problem with his driveway. One of his friends came over and could not make it up his drive. Because it is steep and has big drop offs the friend got stuck and called a tow truck. The tow truck also got stuck! After 12 hours and 5 tow trucks they finally cleared my sons drive, but the tow truck took the car to his friends house and got stuck again. The snow is bad but the ice is much worse. Oh and I should not forget to mention that most, if not all, rivers near us are flooding and the water is very close to the road in some places. That is also a cause for concern.
by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)

laugh  The pic doesn't do it justice, but that's quite a steep slope.  It has a curve at the bottom and bend at the top.  On a day like in the pic, it takes a certain level of commitment at the bottom to guarantee arrival at the top.  A controlled, low-gear, crawl ensures failure.  UPS guy had tire chains on, but he broke one.  He said, otherwise he woulda made it.  Uh huh, sure. 

I went off to find a place to park before walking home, and met the tow truck on its way in.  He said he'd have the guy out in fifteen minutes.  Uh huh, right.  I walked home.  UPS guy was kind enough to let me take the shortcut through his cab. 

A few hours later I walked back out to retrieve my truck. UPS guy was gone, leaving major disruption and carnage behind.  I don't know how long it actually took to pull him out.  I just know from decades of experience up here, that walking beat waiting.

Herbert and Pip, My son's drive is as I said quite steep with a sharp bend in the middle. After the bend there is a cliff rising on the one side with a big drop off on the other and in the beginning of the drive it drops off on both sides. There are also a lot of Maple trees on both sides of the drive. When you are going up the drive you can not even see the house until you are almost there, the garage is visible sooner but it is about twice the size of the house. Going down, even in good weather you can not see the drive as you go around the curve, it is that steep. The list of vehicles that have gotten stuck on that drive is very long and even includes 4 wheel drive models but in this case the big problem is the car was pulling the tow trucks off the drive due to the ice on the drive.

Now that’s a story! Life in the mountains!

Dale, people have a false sense of security with the 4wd/awd vehicles and do stupid things. My favorite story around this is when a friend moved here from California, her husband said they needed to buy a 4wd vehicle. She told him not until he learned to drive. She grew up in Wisconsin and he was from San Diego.
Haha, Dale, no cliffs or steep drops on our road.  Just trees and boulders.  Especially boulders buried in the snow where one might expect to find a ditch.  UPS guy was very lucky not to have run aground on a reef.

One of my neighbors built a long driveway on the north slope of that same hill, and paved it.  We tried to tell him what a bad plan that was, but he knew better.  He owns a small bulldozer with treads.  His paved driveway sometimes gets so slick his tank treads can't hold on to it.
Herbert, My son owns property in the middle of nowhere and has no neighbors on 3 sides, unless you count the cemetery. From the road you can not see his 1800 square foot house or his 4000 Square foot garage. It is not paved but that does not make much difference.
Welcome to the WikiTree Weekend Chat everyone.

Sounds like my sister's place in Montana.  Very rural, steep road.  Chains do make a difference, she swears by it.  I grew up in MN where chains are outlawed, so I don't have experience with them.  I grew up with RWD cars, switched to FWD when they started coming out and that does help in the snow.  4WD will get you moving and may keep you moving, but remember that all vehicles have 4-wheel skid.

When I lived in Virginia, the winter driving conditions were rare, but worse than in MN.  The snow is closer to melting temperature, so it's wetter, gets compacted into ice easier, and of course, a lack of snowplows and salt adds to the problem.
It's  odd to see that chains are outlawed in parts of the US. When we were living in France we skied in the Pyrenees where carrying  chains is mandatory in winter. Its not much fun having to stop and put them on when it becomes necesssary but on several occassions we wouldn't have been able to get to or leave the mountains  without them. A few years ago we were on our way back after skiing when quite a sudden snow storm blocked many of the roads and motorways. We got to about 50km from home and the gendarmes were preventing motorists from driving further.They let us go on because we had chains. (we still had to stay in a hotel that night because earlier  snow ploughs had piled up snow over the openings to the side roads. We tried several different ways to get to our hamlet but it was completely cut off until the local farmers got to work with their tractors.)
Chains are not an option for my son. He lives on a State Highway tight next to a Township Garage so the roads are always clear pavement there and to put the chains on after he got to his drive he would lose the momentum needed to make it up the drive, It is steep from the bottom. In about 100 feet he has to go up higher than the peak of a 2 story house and that is with the shape curve in the middle. The top part of the drive is parallel to the road below but the bottom is at a right angle. the curve is about 100 feet in but that is only about 1/3 of the drive and it never actually levels off until you are in the garage. the picture below is from inside the garage and at the time it was taken there was a 1974 Ford Bronco, a Jeep CJ something, a 1956 Packard, A Corvette, a tractor and at least 6 motorcycles in there as well so it is a big garage that you can not see until you make the curve of the drive and then shortly after you can see his 4 bedroom 2 bath split level house

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